//asktractormike.com About anyone who has owned a tractor has at some point encountered difficulty getting the PTO to attach to the tractor. It's pretty ...
Thanks for sharing this video. My brush hog PTO shaft is extremely tight
on my JD750. I had it off once, which took me forever to take off and put
back on *(with a hammer)*. I suspect the spline has rust or is out of
spec? I do not take it off anymore, should I buy a new shaft?
+Bruce Wayne I'd sure squirt a bunch of penetrating oil in there before I replaced it. It's probably just some surface rust, and some penetrating oil with maybe some steel wool down in the splines should fix it. If you have another PTO shaft to try on the tractor and it does fine we know it's the PTO shaft and not on the tractor end. If you can try another PTO coupler on it and it's hard to get on you may have a burr somewhere on the tractor PTO shaft.
Anyone know of any tricks to getting the splines positioned easier! Seems
I always do a guessing game with turning the implement shaft with a steel
bar or large screwdriver to get the splines lined up! What a pain in the
balls that is!
Thanks! My LS has a knob on the dash to engage/disengage the pto! It is off & the engine is too but it won't turn! Might be like yours! Your comment makes me think that I should check with the manufacturer, manual and/or dealer to see if there is a way to make it spin freely! I never thought of that as this is the first tractor I have owned or operated! Great suggestion! Thanks again!
+parsons585 On most tractors (and the one I own is NOT one of them), if the tractor is turned off and the PTO is disengaged, the tractor end of the PTO will spin freely so you can get everything lined up. You'll get your hand greasy from the shaft, but it's a lot easier than trying to turn the implement end of the PTO. My tractor has some sort of brake in there that keeps it from moving when the tractor is off so I have to do it the way you're doing it and I HATE it. I'm not sure why they designed it that way. Of course, never, ever hook a PTO up with the tractor running. EVER!
WD40...I know it's not the choice of professionals but it's cheap and I can usually get it to work. If the balls are really stuck you'll probably have to use the industrial stuff. The trick is to keep everything in there lubricated and you should never have an issue. I don't know about the ATF and Acetone mix, next time I'm at my local dealer I'll ask the guys in the shop what they think of it and what they use.
Hooking up a Three Point Implement
//asktractormike.com Hooking an implement up to a tractor can be an intimidating task. Here I show you what is entailed in attaching a PTO-powered tiller to ...
Hi Mike. My problem with getting the PTO shaft hooked up is that the
splines in the PTO don't align with the implement drive shaft splines. How
can I get them moved to allow me to get it on?
Thanks!
Sharryn
+sreihart Sharryn, on many tractors, the PTO shaft will free wheel when the tractor is turned off. In other words, you can turn the tractor end of the PTO shaft to get it lined up. If it doesn't (and I'm one of the poor souls with a tractor with a tractor PTO shaft that won't move), you have to hook the implement up, then raise it off the ground so you can turn the implement end of the shaft to get it aligned. It's tough, sometimes you have to wrestle it a little bit. It's really tough on the bigger brush hogs with the constant velocity PTO's that weigh about thirty pounds. They're a real bear to get hooked up. Great question.
+Mike Wiles (Ask Tractor Mike) I have learned to strap (using a ratchet strap around the gear box) the post hole digger to a tree and put wood blocks under the u shaped bar (bell ?) near where the two pins are located, this keeps the digger upright and the pins stable while I am attaching it to the tractor, this helps a lot. I also put pallets under all my implements and try to keep the pallets on level ground, this aids in getting a long bar under a implement if you have to bump the implement a inch or two. I also have the quick attach on both my tractors and they take some of the work out of hitching up something
+roy hoco My video would involve my wife helping me, she's involved every time we hook up the post hole digger. I may actually do that video, if you can get the mainframe attached, the rest is fairly easy. It's getting the tractor at the exact place where that mainframe goes on that's the challenge. I have my wife drive and I tell her when to stop and we get it on that way. With two people it's not too bad, it's pretty tough by yourself.
+roy hoco Those post hole diggers are scary to hook up. They're so top heavy they're dangerous. They can mash a finger pretty easily as well. I hate hooking mine up.
Ever tried a quck hitch attachment for 3 point hitch systems? Tractor
Supply has one for nearly $300. Harbor Freight has one for only $99. I've
never used one, but they look enticing to cut out all the hassle that goes
with this task.
+Machi74005 also check ebay and amazon for quick hitch pricing, the quick hitches do take some of the work out of it. there are different models and manufacturers and prices. Tractor supply may have them
+Machi74005 No, I've thought about it. 90% of the time I put my brush hog on in the spring and take it off in the fall and that' s about all I use the three point for. I'm getting ready to do a video this fall with a buddy that swears by them. We'll see if it changes my mind. You still have to get off the seat to attach the PTO. If I were going from box blade to rock rake often it would be a different story. I've had a lot of people tell me I'm missing out by not having one, I'm not yet convinced.
Ferguson tractor PTO shaft change
How to change your PTO shaft on a Ferguson TEA20 or similar tractor. My tractor had the 1 1/8" PTO shaft on it and I replaced it with a 1 3/8" shaft. \I suppose if ...
Hi, great video. I would like to know how much oil you put back in. What
type of oil is best. I have a fergusson 35 which has a leaking seal and
really needs to be replaced.
I don't remember off hand, join the group on yahoo there is a very knowledgeable guy on there for all the Ferguson tractors. He will be able to tell you what is best for the 35.
The dangers of an unguarded PTO shaft
This short video dramatically simulates the dangers of having a damaged or unguarded PTO (Power Take Off) shaft. Using a straw dummy, the sleeve of the ...
I think that point is irrelevant in this case. The outcome is still the
same. Having grown up on a cereal and hay producing farm, then spending 16
years working around aircraft, the dangers of loose-fitting clothing near
rotating parts are the same. Whatever can catch...WILL catch. It's only a
matter of when. In this case, sure the mannequin is tied to the pto, but
this is only meant to illustrate the tragic consequences. The ease of
entrainment by clothing / loose articles are still the same.
Friend of mines dad got his arm ripped off by one. He was hooking up a
generator because power went out. It was raining. He got in a hurry, turned
on tractor. Went to move generator because shaft was out of line and it
caught his glove. Threw him about 10 feet and pull his arm out at the
shoulder. Luckily his son was there to compressed the wound and call
ambulance. If he had been alone he would be dead. He had been a farmer for
35 years and around them everyday of his life up to that day.
@glamourcowgirl68 Get someone who knows how to show you. Switch off the
engine before you hook it up and make sure the pin is out to the full when
you put it on. Ensure the guard is not broken, and the tractor and mower
have a "U" guard fitted. Wear tight fitting clothes and good footwear. As
long as you keep the engine switched off when you're on the ground it's
safe. PTO shafts are dangerous. People make them deadly. Only try it
yourself if you know what you're doing, and are over 18.
About ten tears ago a farmer 2 miles from my grandma's house was emptying a
grain buggy. He walked around the pto while it was running and became
entangled in the PTO of a 200+ HP tractor it ripped both arms off before he
was thrown free. He regained consciousness and was actually able to walk to
his house and call 911 with his tongue. He then laid down in the bathtub to
keep from ruining his house with the bloody mess. Both arms were reattached.
A farmer in Minnesota was taking corn out of a bin and loading it into a
semi truck. He slipped due to the snow and ice and became entangled in a
power take-off driveshaft on 1-25-11. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Even when you think everything is safe, accidents still happen. Don't think
it won't happen to you. Please use extra caution and common sense around
farm equipment.
@Fentanyl3 I was driving by that day and watched the Air Med flight lift
off towards Memphis with him. God knows how he managed to get the door to
his home open, or what would have happen had he not been able to. I didn't
witness it, but the account told by him to me in church a few years later
haunts me to this day.
@NeedleInTheGroove1 The only thing is that an older person will understand
fully the consequences of an accident while a younger person is more likely
to think "that won't happen to me!". Working on heavy machinery is no place
for children - making me a hypocrite since I've been driving tractors since
I was 10...
Heavy Duty video. Really makes you think. Also, you don't have to be a
farmer to own a tractor and implements. Farmers use this stuff every day,
its the every day "Joe" that don't operate equipment all of the time that
REALLY gets the point from watching this.
Very true. My brother in law just got in a serious accident. Lucky for him,
all he did was shatter his knee and bruise his ribs. He would have died if
someone wouldn't have saw it. He actually started on fire from all the
friction of his clothes on the shaft.
Straw man or 200kg man cannot beat a damaged PTO shaft. Farm workers need
to check PTO shafts before starting work - they are as much responsible and
liable as the owner of the equipment.
Happened to me once when I was a teenager. I was lucky. PTO shaft tore my
bluejeans off of me and I was bruised and cut, but nothing broken. Hard
lesson.
You make it look way too easy. I discover new swear words every time I
try! Do you use any special lubricants or oils to make sure it connects
that easily?
We farm 5000 acres so almost every day I'm hooking up or disconnecting pto shafts. The worst is when you got a tractor you rarely use( like 1 or 2 times a year ) it has a little rust on the spines of the gear. What I do I carry 2 or 3 cans of wd 40 or pb blaster brand doesn't matter squirt it real good that helps
How to Measure and Cut a Tractor PTO Shaft
Ted from Everything Attachments shows you how to be sure you don't damage your PTO or Implement gear box by demonstrating the proper way to measure ...
This is not correct. If you need to shorten your PTO by 3 inches, you
would take 1.5 inches off of both ends of the PTO. In essence, whatever
total length you need to shorten to, you take 1/2 of that off of both
sections. Don't believe me? Here's a simple test. Take a piece of paper
say 8 inches long. Cut it in half to make two 4 inch pieces. Overlap them
by one inch so that the total length is 7 inches with 1 inch overlap.
Let's say that we want to shorten the over all length from 7 inches to 5
inches. According to this video, you would take 2 inches off of both
pieces. Do that, and you'll end up with a total length of 3 inches (not 5
inches) with a 1 inch overlap. I should have done this test to begin
with. I shortened my PTO too much because of this...
+Craig Fogus Your example does not stand. It's still wrong. The difference is if you are talking about the minimum collapsed (one piece fully inside the other piece), or the maximum length (pieces slid apart with minimal overlap). Again, take two standard 12" rulers, lay them one on top of the other, and you have a total length of 12". If you need to shorten this length to fit into an 11" space, you have to cut ONE inch off BOTH pieces.
Just plain wrong... Whether something slides on something or in something, it's the same thing. Any second grader can test it. Maybe you can test it out in a video? My example stands. Does yours?
+Craig Fogus Wrong. What ever amount you need to shorten the shaft you have to cut that same amount off both sides. Remember, in the shortest position, both tubes are fully overlapped, ends touching the universal joint yoke. If you cut each side 1 1/2 inches, you only shorten the entire shaft by 1 1/2 inches. Your paper example is done wrong. The shaft is too short in the fully collapsed position, and you are setting up your paper example not fully collapsed, so they can still be overlapped more. Take the two four inch pieces of paper and lay them one right on top of the other so the length is still four inches. If you want to make the total length three inches, you have to cut one inch off BOTH pieces of paper. Clear as mud? Something else I have thought about that might explain it. If you cut two inches off each side of a pto shaft, you shorten the collapsed length by TWO inches, and at the same time you shorten the maximum extended length by FOUR inches. You have to remember the overlap, the two shafts one inside the other. Another example: Take two standard rulers, 12 inches, and lay one on top of the other. The minimum length is 12 inches. To make the minimum length 11 inches, you have to cut one inch off each ruler. This also reduces the maximum extended length by two inches to 22 inches. ·
Starting a tractor by spinning the PTO
When your starter is bad and "roll starting" isn't an option... here's a different (and potentially dangerous) way to start a tractor using the PTO (Power Take-off), ...
Great idea. Enjoyed your video, and love your assistant - she's a cutie -
LOL! Seriously though, this is wicked unsafe for the average moron. I
definitely recommend NOT doing this for about 99% of the population. Best
thing you can do is just repair/replace your engine's electric starter (or
whatever the problem is). Let's face it... if you can't afford to fix your
tractor the correct way, you probably have no business owning one anyhow.
Really doesn't matter who you are.
With that said... I like your ability to "think outside the box". It's
what makes things happen in this world. As the saying goes... "Necessity
is the mother of all invention". True words.
One thing you may not know about tractors is that this method of starting
will not work on all of them. It will only work on some. Since around the
mid 1950's - 1960's, many tractors have PTO's that are hydraulically
operated (a hydraulic PTO clutch engages and disengages it). They also
have hydraulically released PTO brakes which prevent the PTO shaft from
spinning when it is turned off. Especially most larger and higher
horsepower tractors in the 50 to 300Hp range.
There are typically 3 different types of tractor PTO's.
There are: 1.) Independent. 2.) Live. and 3.) Standard (non-live).
In most cases, the only tractors that your method of "reverse" starting
(via the PTO shaft) will work on is a tractor with a "live" mechanically
actuated/driven PTO or a standard mechanically actuated/driven PTO. This
is also assuming that your tractor has a standard transmission and not a
fully hydrostatic or hydraulic shifting transmission (often called a
power-shift or something of the like). Again, it will still ultimately
depend what drive design of PTO that tractor has.
1.) An independent PTO is one in which can be turned on and off totally
separately from the engine and transmission clutch. They are typically
hydraulically clutched, and are typically the most advanced and desirable
for any tractor. They may be mechanically or electro-hydraulically
activated. They slowly became more and more prevalent after the mid 1950's.
2.) A live PTO (aka: 2-stage clutch) is a PTO in which the clutch pedal
acts as a way to engage and disengage both the transmission as well as the
rear powershaft (PTO). Pressing 1/2 way down on the clutch pedal gives you
the ability to disengage the transmission from the engine only, while
allowing the PTO to remain powered by the engine. Pressing the clutch
pedal down fully to the floor plate allows for the transmission AND the PTO
to both become disengaged from the engine power, by actuating both the
transmission and the PTO clutches at the same time. Seems that many
compact and utility tractors in the 20 to 50 Hp range have these "live"
types of PTO's. These live PTO's were (and still are) more common than
independent PTO's because they are cheaper to manufacture and sell.
3.) A standard (non-live) PTO is one in which the transmission clutch
engages the PTO as well. They are the least desirable PTO design, and are
found in nearly every tractor built prior to the mid/late 1950's. Because
only one clutch is used, the PTO will only spin when the transmission
clutch is fully engaged. If you disengage the clutch to stop the
transmission, you will stop the PTO as well. Standard PTO's are typically
engaged and disengaged by a mechanical lever, which offers a direct
connection to the engine/transmission clutch. They are kind of a pain in
the ass to use.
Hope you enjoyed my brief synopsis of "PTO 101". LOL :-)
+Turbo Diesel Excellent summary! Since making the video, I've learned (thanks to many of the comments) that I was "lucky" to have a live PTO (#2 above). So, yes, this technique definitely won't work for many tractors :-)
This is good backwoods knowledge but you know some new to the farm city boy
is going to try this, screw up the pull wrap and wind his Prius around the
PTO.. that or some drunken hillbilly is going to tie that thing to their
truck nuts and rip their PTO shaft off - either way it'll be amusing to see
if they put it on youtube.
Nice work fella, don't listen to the haters. At the end of the day, you got
the disabled vehicle running again. Everyone will also have their own "old
indian magic trick" and every machine/situation might require a different
approach to get a resolution. This particular method wouldn't work on my
machines due to heir hydraulic PTO engagement . I would have been temped
to relieve the hydrualic system of it pressure and bypass/vent the loader
rams in order to jack it up (with farm jack) enough to bu,p start a manual
if I was unable to get the starter cranking by shorting it and offering it
some encouragement with a hammer (you'd be surprised how many seized
starters manage to free up with a few well place hammer taps during
attempted cranking. Many of of smaller machine have hydrostatic drive which
is a really curse when you have a flat battery/broken down machine as
before you can even recover/tow the machine you have to bypass the Hydro
tranny if you can run the engine. I don't normally take the time to comment
on youtube as I feel too many people are too quick to cuss on each. People
in this day and age seem happier to ram their opinions into the world
without considering the possibility that somebody else idea might just
work. There may have been other ways to get the job done, but from my point
of view the machine is running, he has all his fingers and he can get back
to work/making money - on a commercial setup like mine that's all that
matters. Peace out from Sunny northern England
+Thomas Hull I agree with you and wouldn't recommend anyone going near a live PTO unless they understand the potential dangers. Health and Safety over here would throw away the key if they walked onto a commercial far, to see this. Agriculture is responsible for more deaths and serious injuries in the UK than any other industry but remember, this machinery is built and designed for agriculture etc, not to kill people. People, mainly incompetent ones, are pretty efficient at killing themselves - they don't always need a PTO or a piece of heavy equipment! all the best
I live on a farm, and i use pto eqipment such as haybines, ect. i know people who have lost limbs and a women who got her hair caught in a PTO shaft, and a 13 year old boy who lost his life. NEVER MESS AROUND WITH PTO!!
I was curious about this . Mine doesn't leak but I noticed yesterday mine
appears to be bent slightly . Doesn't run "true" , I can see a slight
wobble as it runs . My dad passed away years ago (it was his tractor) and
before he died he told me he had to have me get a new shaft for it and he'd
show me how to replace it , unfortunately he passed away before we got to
it . It wasn't real pressing for him to repair it because he was no longer
using the pto for anything . I bought the tractor along with his wodds
finish mower and I've been using it for 4 or 5 years , but just yesterday
as I got done putting new blades on the mower I noticed the slight wobble
in the pto shaft , and then remembered "that's what dad was talking about "
. On the plus side of the whole thing , I like to think if he's able to see
me using the tractor and taking care of it he'd be pretty happy about it .
He had owned it since about 1968 or so . Had a valve job on it quite some
time ago along with having it professionally repainted some years ago . I'm
amazed after storing it all winter I'll charge the battery , hit the start
button and it always starts immediately . The other problem it's had is
rear brakes barely work . I know the seals leak a little and the shoes are
probably oil soaked . Fortunately I never need brakes .
i have a problem with replacing my seal on a to=20 ferguson, i have taken
the pto shaft out but i dont know how to get the locking ring out, what i
need to know is how do you get the seal off of the shaft i cant even get
the coupler off of the pto shaft thats what i need to know, on the back
side of the coupler where the bearing is i can get that one off but not on
the front that would hold the seal in. after you get the pto shaft out what
is the next step in getting the seal out, i dont really see a locking
spring ring like the one on the bearing side, email me back or post on here
if you would because i am stuck on this problem thanks a lot, Barry