+Dionysian ConquerorChild!Halloooooooooo again!Who brought up the "argument" in the first place?How'd hell you can make an argument to the senseless gibber you posted?
1.Someone doesn't know the difference between a comment and an actual argument.2. Thinks that repeatedly saying "child!" is somehow an argument.3. Doesn't realize any of this.it's not looking too good for you, man.
+Dionysian ConquerorChild.Any sens or logic is completely beyond your intelligence level! You don't have an argument and theorizing what I am thinking about!And how'd hell you can have any argument with senseless gibber you posted?
Not really, because one requires an actual argument for one to theorize on, to begin with. But I'm still waiting on how yelling "child!" is an actual argument. Otherwise, you don't actually have one, in which case my original comment is perfectly valid.
+Dionysian ConquerorChild! Hallooo! You are the one who brought up the matter of an "argument". Not me!Is that also beyond your intelligence level?And who'd hell gives a damn what is "obvious" to you?
It was a comment, despite your more than obvious inability to comprehend it.But please...do tell us how merely yelling "child!" is an actual argument of any kind.
+Dionysian ConquerorChild!I didn't say it was an argument!I said it was SENSELESS GIBBER!The difference is way beyond your intelligence level.You don't have enough to make a valid argument.
+SagesseNoirOh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original post! I thought you were saying that socialism couldn't work. But yes, I agree that Stalinism was a cancer and crushed many great socialist projects like in Spain, as you rightly mention. A true nightmare. Rojava is a pretty interesting one, though, and it's really interesting for us, as socialists, to watch a movement like that growing within our lifetime :)
+Afonso Sousa That's because these were not Bolshevik experiments, but grassroots socialist movements. But in Spain the Stalinist suppressed democratic socialist/left movements. And what they had to offer was always a fraud and a nightmare. As for capitalism, that's a decaying and dying system which threatens new nightmares of its own.
+SagesseNoirActually, it worked in the Ukrainian Free Territory, Revolutionary Spain, Yugoslavia, to some extent Hungary etc. Today it's being practiced with enormous success in Rojava, Chiapas and smaller places like Marinaleda, bits of Greece. The principle of workers managing themselves and owning the means of production is practiced on a large scale with tremendous success. It is capitalism that is an undemocratic, tyrannical fraud and a system of theft, dehumanization and exploitation.
+Random Vids Actually capitalism is about the control and movement of capital. There are different forms of capitalism. The form preferred by US conservatives is laissez faire capitalism. The biggest problem with this ideology is that it encourages the most ruthless and greedy to take everything for themselves, as in the game Monopoly, and there is very little to stop them. Yes, this is based on pure individualism, or self-interest as argued by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, and goes all the way back to the economist Adam Smith. But anyone with half a brain knows exactly what individualism means. It means winner takes all, which is why it favours greed, selfishness and ruthlessness. Ultimately it leads to feudalism, which I promise you, you do not want to live under.Contrary to the capitalist propaganda about socialism you and I have been brought up with, socialism is based on industrial democracy, more commonly referred to as workers control of production. Democracy fails in a system of gross inequality because wealth is power and the wealthiest will therefore dominate in the service of their individualism. Socialism addresses this by introducing equality, because it is fairer and it allows democracy to function. Capitalism destroys democracy, which is precisely what is happening in every capitalist country and most notably in the US. The most sinister aspect of this is that capitalists are working hard to convince people that the failures of capitalism are actually socialism. You couldn't get a more Orwellian campaign.Working people naturally democratically choose to have a fairer system. Capitalists choose the opposite.This all said, simply demanding socialism from the rich and powerful will gain the people little or nothing. The elite will simply make some changes to the system and call it socialism as was done in Russia, to try to capitalise on the moral appeal of socialism. People must fight for industrial democracy if they want a fairer system, not merely call for socialism.I'm sure all of this is hard to accept from some fellow commenter on YouTube, but unless you are willing to look outside the curtains of propaganda of the capitalist system then you are going to fail to understand anything but what the filthy rich capitalists want you to. At least you must accept there are limits to your understanding of the world, limits that you can choose to expand. I'm not so arrogant as to suggest I know all, but you have openly declared you commitment not to look outside your boundaries. I hope you change your mind about this.
Socialism is about the workers owning the production line, it is a classless society based on equality and need, not profit and greed.Capitalism is about the elite depleting wealth from the common population in order to make themselves richer.Sorry I had to do that ^ because you basically had it the wrong way round xD.
+Random VidsI know the Gospels dont teach Socialism. However principles of fairness and solidarity with one's fellow humans is a feature of Jesus's teachings. He rejects greed and selfishness which are core principles of capitalism. He even goes as far as saying that people should sell their belongings and give to the poor, which is absolutley in the spirit of socialism. He chases the money changers away. There is more if you care to read more closely. It is certainly fair to say that Jesus would be absolutely apalled by Capitalism. I'm a bit of the fan of Jesus's philosophy despite lacking a belief in gods."The Gospels do not command political leaders to take money from unwilling citizens and give that money to others."I have no doubt you are right. However the core of socialism is democracy. What follows comes from what the people decide rather than just the rich and powerful, and that usually means taking some of the ill gotten gains of the filthy rich to help others. Those who benefit most from a system owe most to the system!
+John McDermottThe funny thing is, Jesus's philosophy in the Gospels is far more closely aligned to the principles of Socialism and Communism than Capitalism and it's uglier brother Fascism. But he'll never understand any of this so long as he prohibits himself from reading the 'Satanic Bible' as he puts it.
wow. "I'm not going to read and form my own opinion, I'm just going to listen to word of mouth,from people who watch fox news."Did you even listen to Chomsky's argument? If you actually read Marx you would understand what capitalism really is, then you could deiced whether or not he is evil. I can tell you Marx certainly was not evil, his writings are about the injustice of capitalism, I am not going to explain it to you but simply ask you to abstain from ignorance and actually learn what you are talking about before talking about it. I could tell you that I too have parents who taught me many things, which I am grateful for, they're not always right, but i am independent and of course make my own opinions.
If you disagree with it you're just calling the sky green and grass blue for the sake of confirming your worldview
Market 'Socialism' - The USSR and China
Harpal Brar, chairman of the CPGB-ML, speaks at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in October 2014. His paper was titled "reasons for the collapse of the ...
I guess you you could look on the deepweb. It's a shot in the dark but that is where most things considered "dangerous" are kept.
Richard D. Wolff explains the USSR / Soviet Socialism
From Richard D. Wolff's "Economic Update" hosted by Truthout. Part 1 and 2 of an analysis of what the USSR was and how soviet socialism actually worked.
I say it to the capitalists as well as the socialists:
Don't look at the USSR for the good nor the bad.
It had no chance, was infiltrated by the wrong forces and therefore
unsuitable as a model for any system. It was eaten alive from the inside
out.
If you have collectivists models; bring them into light on their own.
I'm all for experiments so that both systems can prove themselves.
But unfortunately there will be foul play; the game will be rigged, always.
The country in which the factories were in the hands of workers SFRY -
Communist Yugoslavia in 1945-1991. It is the most successful period in the
development of this area in history, and compared to today. Nobody mentions
when talking about socialism