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+Killer97 Dammit!

+Killer97 i lose

+Killer97 FUCK YOU

You are part of the mafia!

You mobster

+Killer97 You monster!

+Killer97 I. Hate. You.

+Killer97 Screw you.

no you did :)

+Killer97 Edmund? Or Issacs dad ?

FUCK I JUST LOST

+Jesse Gibbons kind of

Well, as stated in the video, you need to work REALLY hard to even uncover the game itself. It really doesn't pose a threat.

Also we have to be sure to note that an "unsolved problem" isn't always mathematical. It could come from many different academic disciplines.

My point is not that you can't verify the answer is correct, my point is that unless you know what the answer is already, it's impossible to be sure that it's going to help you advance the plot of the game. If you give them a tablet to translate and claim that it contains directions to an ancient tomb, and instead it's all about the long history of raising sheep in some village, it's going to be tough to course-correct on that one. Not impossible, but the point is it doesn't make a lot of sense to give people problems to solve when you don't know the answer OR the result, OR if they're ever going to be able to finish it. That's a lot of risks to take. So you could do something like:"Solve this equation. It is required for the time machine." Which takes a real world unsolved problem (totally unrelated to time travel) and pretends to use it for some ambiguous part of the time travel equation. You don't use a real time travel problem, you just pick an unsolved math problem and say "this is what we need to make it happen". That could work. Any solution in that case would be acceptable.But if you gave someone an actual time travel problem, then the risk is that they'll discover that time travel is provably impossible and it will ruin your time travel plot. Which probably isn't all that important, really, at that point because they just proved time travel impossible. But it's a mistake for the game.There are other problems too. Even if you know that the result of the solution doesn't matter and any solution to the problem will do, you still have to worry that the players will get burned out and... just leave. You can get the burnout factor to work for you though, if you use these kinds of challenges not for the core game play of your ARG, but for tasks that you specifically want the player to find impossible. You want to become a dark necromancer? Translate these three untranslatable tablets and get back to me. You want to build a true artificial intelligence? Solve these four computer science problems. Or better yet - build me an artificial intelligence. That way, if they get 10 minutes into it and they decide the task is too great for them, they can just back out and it doesn't hurt the narrative. They can go back to solving the smaller puzzles.Use it for world plot, though? Solve this problem or don't advance to the next chapter of the story? Solve this problem in a month or a lot of your characters are going to die in the big fight? That's not going to work so well, because there's an expectation that they will be able to solve the problem. Unsolved problems only work as a game mechanic under the opposite conditions - when the expectation is that the problems will continue to go unsolved.Thank you for questioning my opinion on that. I'm pretty sure my stance shifted somewhere in the middle of this post so I'm sorry if that was jarring for anyone.

+Paul DiPastina Well, that's not quite true. "Unsolved problem" doesn't mean that nobody knows anything about that problem. You probably don't know the answer or solution, but you need to have a way to check whether a solution is correct, otherwise it's not a real mathematical problem. As a simple example, imagine you have an complex equation and you don't know an algorithm to solve for x (or whatever). You don't know the answer. But if someone says "hah, x = 3" you can check whether the solution is correct by setting x=3, calculating the terms and checking if they are equal. If there was no way to verify a solution to a problem, that problem would be pretty useless, so to speak.Also, you can have unsolved problems like how to crack a specific encryption algorithm (in a timespan that doesn't outlive the sun's life time). I could simply encrypt some text using that algorithm, forget about the key, and then say "hey, crack this". If you find a way to really crack such a problem, you can be sure you'll get a nice job at the NSA... >.>

No smartphone. D;

There's a pretty cool smartphone app called Ingress which uses some of these elements, feel free to check it out.

+MEW99999 pokémon from kanto will at least score some nostalgia points right of the bet. I like the older pokémon more anyway. they seem less... forced, if that makes any sence. WAIT!!! I think I figured out where the beeping sound is coming from! If Im right, Ill turn it off and go to bed, if not... Well, you might need to drag me through this night :P

+Lamin Nanne Yeah when I heard about it I was so happy less so when I found out they didn't have a realease date yet and also have only shown of Kanto pokemon but still we can all gush about it

+MEW99999 This litterally made me squeel xD. Thnx man, you made my day! (Or rather, night. Its half past twelve here... I cant sleep...)

+Lamin Nanne Ever heard of Pokémon Go? It is being developed as we speak look it up and you will understand it looks FREAKING AWESOME!

edit: after looking through the video I thought maybe they could make it so that, dependend on the colors and amount of light on your screen they could have different types of pokémon pop up. Like: when its cloudy (dark, grey) you meet water pokemon and when its sunny (light, yellow, maybe green grass and blue sky) you get fire pokemon. Heck, maybe if your phone sees a lot of grey, but its still very light outside it could recognise you're probably in a city, and throw some elektric pokemon at you. and then you could trade those with people from more rural places, where they encounter pokemon you never could encounter. the possibilities are endless :D!

+MEW99999That is the same for any camera though if one does it well enough. If anything, that would boost the sales as for some, that is a creepy way to justify buying them.

+tygonmaster Because People could take pictures and videos of you without you knowing is why.

+Brandon Fedie It seems mostly it was just people being unwilling to get away from the nerdy idea of wearing them.

no Pokemon aloud

*cough Pokemon go *cough *cough

+Intrafacial86 Do this with Blood Bowl and you can have my money ;)The funny thing is many different events could be done at once this way and there is no need to fix the stadium surface after it's over. Endless possibilities.

+Intrafacial86 Do this with Blood Bowl and you can have my money ;)The funny thing is many different events could be done at once this way and there is no need to fix the stadium surface after it's done. Endless possibilities.

+Clyde Robles You're retarted.

you realize this video is almost 4 years old right?

+Clyde Robles 2:50 What about [pocket] monsters that only spawn in parks?I really want to hear what EC thinks of Pokemon GO, but I think they're waiting for it to launch.

+Ninefold Wouldn't be surprised, there are multiple Nintendo games that abuse the 3ds's 3D camera. Two, for example, "Bravely Default" and the most recent Pokemon Mystery Dungeons. Whilst only for a short amount of time, it still opens Nintendo and other AAA gaming companies' options for this "ARG" future.

+Ninefold if it haw battles i will play it

+Clyde Robles Yeah Pokemon Go is more than likely this variety of ARG! I wonder if they're going to talk about it in the future :D

+Gergely Kozar A very true example of how gaming and fiction can give us a better understanding of the real world. Even if the gaming aspect can abstracted occasionally due to design decisions.

+Rodrigo Eduardo de Oliveira Bauer Chichorro 1st cousin was uncommon (which was one of the reasons Henry VIII accepted the reformation). Pretty much anything else was fair play.

i think cousin marriage was not uncommon, and you can do it in crusader kings 2 too

don't forget begging the pope to murder Denmark (or an other nation but I am paranoid of vikings so crusade the vikings)

Ikr

+batman88891 cuz fun

it does work rather well for me at least

+domhantho (game crashes)

+domhanthoSHAMEFRU DISPRAY!!!

+Ruben de Roode The men are wavering...

+domhantho shogun 2 ftw

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I know dw5 has a story mode per character that has the person/character you pick live throughout the three kingdoms period and kind of tries to see what it would be like if said historical figure had not died when they had. You can have Sun Jian live throughout the entire thing. kind of unfortunate that no one ages and they did not expand on the possibilities of usable mechanics. It's still fun though, and the earlier ones, before six, are pretty interesting.

Wait do they have videos of the cold war period?

+ssegrub yhtomit almost forgot you can add siecne in it too and add religion

"This isn’t a movie, you don’t digest two hours of linear content and then make sense of that self-contained narrative. Cloud Chamber is a huge jigsaw that’s presented to you as if the pieces have been shaken out onto the floor, and left for you to sift between as you try and slot the jumbled mess back together."//www.godisageek.com/2014/08/cloud-chamber-review/

Thank you for clarifying. The social experience does sound a great deal like an ARG, but the fact that it is more interpretive rather than a puzzle trail differentiates it enough to make it interesting. Regardless, I'm pleased it was made.

There is no single solution and it is designed to last. When you've finished (which takes about 40 hours for core players), you will have developed specific ideas about what happened. This will be based on the things you saw and read, the order you experienced them in, the research you did and the people you discussed them with … but somebody else will have different interpretations. The satisfaction is in the journey and in the conversations along the way, not in finding a single end-it-all answer. Some players report that they've become haunted by the game -  it follows them around, because they keep thinking about it. That. Is. Intentional. I don't think Cloud Chamber is an ARG at all. Yes, we use discussion and found footage, but ARG's did not invent those … Also, ARG's are about progression through smaller puzzles with answers, CC is not. In Cloud Chamber, there is only one, big puzzle: the "found story", how it could have happened and why - and your sharing that possibility space with others, while immersing yourself in the mood of it, that is the experience. 

There are no spoilers. Pieces of the story are completely missing - and somebody may report that something happens, that you haven't seen, but what it means, put together with the other stuff, is still up to your interpretation. It's not about what happens next. :)And yes, you could post "Hey, they kiss, later on!", but how will that help you to figure out what is happening, where you are now? :)

Exactly. The story is the game. What happened? Who did what to whom - and why? What is the signal?

This is season 1: there will be more if this one is successful. Vital pieces of the story are permanently missing. All you can do is speculate with others, and pull together the evidence from other pieces.Regarding being right, it's basically "peer review", so the other players are deciding how good/bad your comments are. Some people have trouble with this. But, really, IRL you're dependent on other's opinions all the time... That's life!

You're underestimating the community's interest in each other. :)

Also the charismatic ones and the ones good with words will get the likes. Even if youve come up with the greatest theory ever no ones gonna read it if you cant get peoples attention. Also if theres a lot of players your comments are gonna get buried.

+Christian Fonnesbech I think the interaction is cool but I dont think your progress should be affected by your "likes". I could also see people trading likes or abusing the likes somehow. These are just concerns I have without actually playing or knowing enough to form an educated opinion though.

No … that's a good question. Many games give you the pleasure of power without other people. This one doesn't. This one is about working with other people ;)

+Christian FonnesbechI would assume that people are not going to behave badly, but instead are going to just like everything because there doesn't seem (from the outside) to be a reason not to.Like with the Miiverse (or whatever it's called) that comes free with every Nintendo 3DS, every so often you can either meh or like a Mii that happens to walk past your system in another DS. Meh's are invisible and don't count towards anything. Likes do. So everyone likes every Mii, even when they don't know the person behind it, nor actually find anything praiseworthy about the Mii. There is no advantage in not liking, so everyone likes so that everyone likes them.What prevents this happening in this game?

+Christian Fonnesbech Hey, I have been noticing all the comments you have been answering, so thanks for the interaction.

It's interesting that many people (especially the previews, before the game launched) assume that players will behave badly. But the opposite is true - the community is clearly interested in having a good experience together. So posts like that tend to get flagged as abusive - or they are just ignored until they drop out of sight.

Probably once everything has panned out and development ceases.Although by that time I suspect that they might just end up repurposing the game into something else.