Clayton County Georgia First Amendment Audit. We as citizens have a first amendment protected right to document what public officials do on our behalf and at ...
What this video does, is to expose the loopholes in the laws and Bill of
Rights that prevent law enforcement who are tasked to provide security for
the country, from effectively doing their jobs. Congratulations asswipe.
How is this not simply a sophistic display of rhetoric. Of course you are
protected as an American Citizen to engage in activities protected by the
Constitution but, why are you not obligated to prove that you are eligible
of those rights i.e. prove American Citizenship?
When rights are granted to a particular group you must be able to provide
proof that you are part of that group to partake in those activities.
The decay of logic and rationality is sad.
+MrUnapologetic - My first job at a law firm was in '76, and not even the post 9/11 exceptions allow the actions taken in this video. Brown v Texas has not been set aside, and Hiibel made it clear that illegal activity must be evident prior to a demand for ID. In this case there were no "specific, objective facts establishing reasonable suspicion that the subject was involved in criminal activity." What other people who have taken photographs have done in the past is moot. Brown also struck down all requirements that someone provide ID just because an officer wants it. So maybe you aren't a very good lawyer, if you actually ever were.
+agb1953 - Resulting to ad hominem, shame on you! I haven't lost a case yet (Real case not TV case) and would gladly retake the bar, New York State. Get your facts straight, or at least your argument. Smith V. City of Cumming only asserts that they have First Amendment rights to gather information about what public officials do on public property (not that doing so was free from suspicion). A point I never called into question. Possibly a fallacious attempt the degrees from the matter at hand? However, it doesn't detract from my prior point of affirming one's eligibility to the rights of which they claim sanctioned by. Given the Post 9/11 law changes signed by President George W. Bush the officer(s) would have been completely warranted for the request of identification. Current laws trump decisions made "long ago".Since I can't bill you for my time I'll let you continue to babble incoherently to whomever may have found the thread interesting, Unapologeticly
+MrUnapologetic Nope. What can constitute reasonable suspicion is not arbitrary. The Supreme Court long ago declared that someone freely exercising a civil right (such as using a camera in a public area) CANNOT be deemed suspicious. And a public area or public space is any place you can enter without invitation or fee, and actual ownership is moot. The citizen in this video did not try to hide when the police arrived, did not try to hide the camera when police arrived, and did NOTHING but continue to engage in a legal activity. Go learn actual law, not TV law. Someone has to be in a place, at a time, and doing something an ordinary person would not do before they can be considered suspicious. Nobody, cops included, could reasonably believe a person on a public sidewalk in broad daylight using a camera to record what they can witness from a public space has, is, or is about to commit a crime. That's the totality of the circumstance. Look up Smith v Cumming from the 11th Circuit, which this particular county happens to be in and which is exactly on point, cops interfering with someone's right to film in public. You are just wrong.
+agb1953 - Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard of proof in United States... #FACTReasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably suspect a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity. Taking the "totality" of the situation it is reasonable to request his identification to validate citizenship and thereby his freedom. Such measures protect US citizens, not sorry.
+MrUnapologetic - News flash, in the US the cops can't just walk up to you and say "Show me your papers." An officer has to have direct evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe you had, were, or were about to commit a crime before they can demand anything from you. It's called freedom.
There is no such thing as a "first Amendment Audit". What we see are
assholes with a camera and a YouTube channel doing whatever it takes to
"create" content that panders to the bottom feeders of society. Period.
+lostchild2003You said "What we see are assholes with a camera...doing whatever it takes to "create" content that panders to the bottom feeders of society." Yet you watch the very same videos. I am quoting what some police officers say when a "Youtuber" decides to film the police.
You seem to enjoy talking about other men's genitalia don't you Mike?. Are you a closet queer Mike? Is that what you think about all day Mike? Are you fantasizing about sucking my cock as well queer? You know Mike, there are forums other than YouTube where you can live out your desires.
Nah I get what you think. Your opinion just doesn't carry any weight when you don't specify why people are "assholes" for standing up for their rights. I thought you might wanna elaborate on that
I don't know exactly why but I have a weird feeling right now that I'd love
to see my dick all the way down that cops throat (or at least as far as it
would go :-) and then stroke it from outside her neck. Does that make me
weird?
+LMSTactical It's amazing how many of you retired asshole cops aka "Old Bacon" there are out there. I fully believe a couple of your other comments on other posts that back in your day you would beat the shit out of people, etc. Guess what? There are these things called cameras now that every cop you come across hates. So I think your days of being violent legalized thugs are quickly coming to a close. Now we the people throw assholes like you in Jail :-) :-) :-). Wonder how long your friend in South Carolina is going to get for shooting that guy in the back? I'll bet my 401K that if it weren't caught on camera he would never see the inside of a jail. Might even still be on the force. I'll bet you hate cameras as well. Too fucking bad!!!
I know her personally. She isn't intelligent. But you are an ass. Stop
harassing the damn police, if you want to investigate something in that
county...investigate the sheriff. He is a corrupt ass who gives jobs
according to race.
+gat0rbball She works for the Sheriff that is corrupt. He's not harassing them, they are harassing him. This lady deputy was completely unprofessional.
+gat0rbball In all fairness though your asking him to investigate a "corrupt" sheriff when we just watched a video of a slime ball cop being corrupt and breaking the laws she was sworn to uphold. Your comment is very confusing. I have never heard him be an ass and if he has its been after 20 minutes of lies and vile from dirty cops.
You need your ASS BEAT INTO THE GROUND . Yes some cops are asswholes , but
look who they have to deal with smartasses like you . I hope she gets you
and spanks dat ass hard . You and other ASSWHOLE like your self makes it
hard on the rest of us in the world . Go help someone who needs help , mow
a yard for an old person , feed the hungry . ASSWHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
33-602.231 Use of Cameras by Visitors.
(1) The use of cameras on state property by visitors is prohibited without
the express consent of the warden. The warden is authorized to approve
camera use on a case-by-case basis when it is determined that it would not
be detrimental to the security and order of the institution.
(2) The photographing of any part of the institution’s physical structure
while on state property is prohibited, except that:
(a) Media officials shall be allowed to take photographs from areas
designated by the warden based on security concerns; and
(b) Officially designated department staff shall be allowed to photograph
areas of the physical structure of the institution for investigation,
construction or security purposes.
(3) Areas in which the general public is prohibited from taking photographs
shall be clearly posted and identified in the institution’s visiting
policies and operating procedures.
Doug, Did you post statute in support of Jeff, as general information or trying to use it as justification for the police and department of corretions actions. My reading of it shows Jeff did not violate any of the items stated in 33-602-231 as he was not a visitor nor was he on state property.
Unconstitutional! I haven't seen the video, but I would assume as always that Jeffery Marcus Grey from St Augustine County Whoop Whoop! was on public property. The warden can't trump the constitution by issuing a policy.
Let her wait on the rest of the video. How many times do you think she has checked to see if it's been uploaded. The Gadsden County Sheriffs' Facebook page has been shut down, her phone goes directly to voicemail. Jeff is probably receiving offers to not release the rest of the video by both the department and Tiffany herself. I don't know what's in the video, but I would imagine that before she pleads the 5th she becomes aware that she was being filmed. Can't wait to see it wither, but let her squirm a little longer. She's pathetic!
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