Isis would have been a much greater threat if it had been a peaceful
organization.
one can not build a Caliphate state based on terror and murder, and tell
the people
its done with Gods blessing..Thou shall not kill ...there is no small print
loop holes etc in this commandment.
All of these "terrorists" are on the CIA payroll. If you want to end
terrorism, just close down the CIA operations located at the bottom of Lake
Geneva.
+Tory Smith Even better way... stop paying taxes and that will stop the financial support of these war crimes and criminals - over here and over there.--
Iv'e heard this liar before.. All he wants to talk about is covering up the
US involvement in supplying weapons to ISIS , It's all he does.. he will
tell you that the US supply moderate ''rebels'' who then sell them to ISIS
(you know the ISIS the Americans and this guy plus the FSA are claiming to
be fighting) If the FSA are fighting ISIS why would they sell their US
weapons to ISIS?.. LOL he's absolutely full of crap.
+Mallrick ''''sorry for my bad english..but i hope i helped you taking ur head out of the sand'''' ( ostrich syndrome) <<<hahahaha YOU FUCKING DUNCE!! WITH YOUR BROTHERS E.MAILS! HAHAHA FUCK OFF
+Mallrick READ SOME MORE! WE DON'T NEED YOUR BROTHER, LEARN! STOP TALKING BULLSHIT ...We all have a big problem, what we are seeing is the United States very close to complete collapse, the US have known for some time their economy had to collapse, they've been printing more and more dollars and increased its military spending yearly, even with the collapse of the USSR the US continued to build more military, and gain more and more military bases across the world, we are witnessing the US at the point of no return, they have spent their way to bankruptcy (knowingly) They have had a plan, that if they can gain full world dominance, they can introduce a single world currency, that they control, the effect as such would wipe out all the US massive debts, while also allowing them to hold onto all its military, and it's military bases around the world.This is what we are seeing today, because if the US stopped right now, they would go bankrupt, if they lose a war they go bankrupt, so the US need war to survive, a war that will give them global dominance and power. The United States REALLY believed they had finished off Russia after the collapse of the USSR , to the point Russia could never be a threat to them again, they helped keep Russia in a state of pandemonium, through Yeltsin's reign, believing they had sealed Russia's fate to the toilet.But while the US was invading countries, Russia had brought in Putin , the US took a good look at him, and could not work him out, but when they invaded Iraq, and Putin had not veto'd them,they believed they had Russia under their control. What they failed to realize was that Putin cared about Russia much more than they or anyone thought, the US thought he could be bought or bullied, so they carried on invading country's using NATO to murder Gadaffi, keeping Iraq destabilized, while they transferred known terrorist commanders into Iraq from Guantanamo Bay in the hundreds, to help keep it in chaos.They then set their sights on Syria, and were preparing for a ground invasion like Iraq, when all of a sudden Putin veto'd this action!That stunned the US, absolutely stopped them in their tracks, and they then took a close look at Russia again, and they then realized their huge mistake, while they were attacking, murdering and suppressing governments across the world, Putin had been quietly building a brilliant defense for Russia, and also upgraded it's military to a very high level, a level perfectly able to hold its own and defeat probably every country on the planet... Including the USA.When the US understood how they misread Putin, they then set out to demonize him in the west, and globally, the propaganda got so bad it could of been written by a teenager. But it left the US unable to use ground troops in Syria,..This is when we saw the US and the EU start in Ukraine, we saw the US CIA and their recruited thugs, start the marches and protests in Ukraine. America if you all remember were all upbeat about Yanukovich winning the Presidency, because he had shown an interest in joining the EU, It was only when he decided to go to Russia and ask for a loan, and stated he was trying to work on a closer relationship with Russia, did all this really kick off , then these CIA led thugs murdered people, thousands of innocent people just like you and me, while claiming Yanukovich was a thief and tyrant and Putin's puppet (yet they said none of this when he showed an interest in the EU, all these accusations only started after he asked Russia for support) , they bombed the innocent civilians/people of Kiev as they seized control, they shot at innocent people running from doorways looking for cover, and forced Yanukovich to flee to Russia in fear of his life.They then got the parliament to impeach him / Yanukovich ( who were obviously under threat to do so, as the vote came back 300+ to zero) America then claim the Russian's invaded and were fighting these thugs who seized control, but the actual Ukrainian people will all tell you it's the ''pro Russian'' Ukrainian fighting to get these thugs and this non elected leader removed, and to get their elected President back. In other words, the Ukrainian people are fighting these CIA thugs, and their illegally appointed non elected President.Yet the west who have caused all the trouble in Ukraine try to blame Russia, and issue sanctions against Russia for something they have not been able to prove, it's just a financial tool used many times by the US, and its vassals, but shows Russia how far they are prepared to go to weaken Russia. In Syria the US decided to use proxy's in the form of terrorists, they recruited, trained, armed, payed, and then sent these terrorists into Syria to murder people, everyday normal people, working people, people just like me or you, they murdered people in the streets, they took over towns and cities through Syria by murder and butchery, i remember seeing them stood on street corners dressed in black, standing around burnt out cars, with their riffles at their sides, and don't forget, this was all long before the so called ISIS crossed over in from Iraq.Assad did nothing at first, he couldn't, his towns and cities were being taken over by thousands of terrorists moving among civilians.We heard the United States tell the world that Assad did not care about his own people, as he's left them all to die at the hands of terrorists (the same terrorists the US sent into Syria) When Assad had to go in with his army to win back these lost towns and cities from the US terrorists, we heard from the US Assad was attacking his own people! So when he does nothing about these US terrorists, he does not care about them, and when he does do something about it, he's then said to be attacking them, I mean seriously!But the trouble is, that the US must get into a war with Russia, it must try to defeat Russia for it's own survival, we see the US place a nuclear sub in Malaysia yesterday, a clear threat towards China, in other words if Russia end up in war with the US, the US are threatening China with nukes!! China can't tolerate that sort of threat, and also if Russia lose to the US, so will China, and both Russia and China must know this, but it proves that the US are trying to push for war against Russia, It has nothing to do with ISIS, and nothing to do with Assad, this is ALL about America's attempt at global dominance. I just hope that Putin actually realizes that the US can't stop, as doing so would see them collapse, Putin must know this, I'm sure he must, everything he's done so far all points that he already knew what was coming, If that's the case, then Russia will beat them, no doubt about it,
+Mallrick You've just said what i already had .. You idiot! READ... '''Iv'e heard this liar before.. All he wants to talk about is covering up the US involvement in supplying weapons to ISIS , It's all he does''' TAKE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR ASS!
my brother still email me sometime...and the things u dont know would freak you out...its not that fsa are selling the gear usa send them...there is literaly air drops of ammo being drop in isis controled area...and he say since russia started bombing the west ( america) have triple the amount of air drops....last email mentioned high tech anti air weapon being drop in big quantity by american military...i dont understand how america can pull this stunt and not be exposed...fact is russia and iraq were telling the truth about american plane secretly doing air drop in area mark black on white controled by Isis..sorry for my bad english..but i hope i helped you taking ur head out of the sand ( ostrich syndrome)
+toaster1339 no sirif you watch closely you can see the sling getting tighter and tighter around the neck of saudturkey has internal problemson long termthe iran iraq syria lebanon axis will win iran as leader in the regionwith its allies china and russia usa is loosing influence israel soon will be the last island of imperialism in the region
+Pasdaran1 and yet, the Western countries still think that Assad is the great thread in this whole game. Fucked up.Russia is the only party in this whole conflict which is doing the right thing: Killing IS fighters and the "moderate" rebels.I'm tremendously disappointed of our Western governments. It is more than obvious who is supporting the Islamic state, like Turkey or Saudi-Arabia, but they won't do shit. The NATO is still supporting Turkey, Saudi-Arabia has a seat in the human rights council.......our world is getting more fucked up than it already has been before all that crap.
+Pasdaran1 It started when president Oblabla visited the Middle East and supported the Arab Spring and all these activists turned to protesters, turn rioters, turn terrorists.
In June 2014 large parts of Iraq fell to ISIS. How did this happen? Who was involved, and is it really a "Sunni revolution"? Ahlulbayt TV examine these questions ...
Sunnis ask the western world to respect their beliefs and to accept them
into their communities yet when it comes to Shias they throw away all
civility and resort to barbarianism and childish behaviour. How can you
expect other religions to accept you when you cant even accept the people
in your own religion. And I don't wanna hear "Shia kaffir" or "Shia
zionism" or "Shia is not islam", fuck you if you think any of that
+Mehr Ali : The Shia have nailed the collective coffin of Iraq by subjugating, humiliating, butchering and acting with impunity or humanity in regards to the Iraqi Sunni's... any retaliation or retribution by the sunnis is a direct reflection of Shia brutality directed at the much smaller Sunni populous of Iraq... Have the Shia even tried reaching out to the Sunni??? Treating them like fellow Iraqis??? Given the Sunnis a future in Iraq??? The answer is NO. What does one expect then??? Its not rocket science.
This documentary is such bullshit. Im Iranian and im sunni and the shias
are oppresive worse then isis just look at my country iran and how they
treat us but its not something you will hear about !
+Hussein Sharara Wow! you're a total fucking idiot. This documentary is about the confrontation between Sunni's and Shias which is EXACTLY what the poster was talking about. Read the fucking title of the video and read what he said again. It's about exactly what's in the video. Sunni/Shia conflict. This post was completely relevant. You are a fucking moron, get away from the public you make the world a little more stupid when you try and join in.
+Shahriyar Ariyazadeh Ay dumbass this is a documentary about Iraq not Iran, Iran is different, right now this is about Iraq so stop being a dumb ass your embarrassing your self.
+Shahriyar Ariyazadeh The Shias did oppress the Sunni's in Iraq after Saddam! IS sunni's are much more radical though. There are problems on both sides!
Can someone please explain me what the differences between the Shia and
Sunni are without being buyist towards one side? I know a lot about the
other factions but without this i'm still missing a big part
+thom12wens Shias dont believe Abu Bakr ra, Umar ra and Uthman ra are legitimate successors of the Prophet pbuh as Calpih (while Sunnis do) because they are not blood related, rather Ali ra (The Prophet pbuh's cousin) and his descendants should have been the only acceptable rulers. Shias also make it a religious duty to mourn Husain ra (The grandson of the Prophet pbuh) every year on the day he died (Ashura). The Sunnis tend to fast on Ashura because that was the day Moses pbuh fled with the Children of Israel and the Prophet pbuh used to fast on that day too, but it's Sunnah (optional). And even though it's not an obligation to mourn Husain ra, many Sunnis will pray for him and remember him on Ashura simply out of respect. Some tiny other differences i know of is that Shias pray with the arms to their side and most Sunnis pray with the arms folded on their chest or stomach. The two also recite things a bit differently in prayer, but Quran is always the same. This is just the general differences, there are other sects among the Shia that believe in some really different stuff but im leaving those beliefs out because most Shias i know dont like to be paired with them.
+thom12wens you cant understand this 100 procent with somebodys youtube reaction that easy. some thing you need to investigate before you know the truth.We have a lot of agreement in religion like praying 5 times, and going to Hadj once in your life is possibleThe biggest different i can tell you is that Sunnis Believe in the Prohet, with no body appointed to lead the ummah after his death. The shia believe in the prophet Muhammed (saw) and His holy household
Expunge Daesh! The sporn of the Devil's loins. Come together all peoples
and destroy this pig shit where ever it corrupts our lives and Islam. The
Christian Bible and the Holy Koran state, "Beware of false Prophets" Daesh
are Evile and should be destroyed. Destroyed in a way that they cannot
claim Mayrtodom, only destruction of the Devils sporn!
+Robin Phillips Without the Zionist there would not be ISIS.
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*Message for Christians*
[Old Testament]
* 5 Books of Moses
1. Genesis {Bereishis}
- This book is based on the teachings of Moses about the creation and
expansion of the human race, and the story of Abraham and his descendants.
{Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph}, all of these prophets came
before Moses.
- The prophets that Moses speaks about are mainly the descendants of
Abraham's 2nd Son, Isaac.
Not much is spoken about Ishmael {1st son of Abraham} & his descendants.
- This is because the Jews, along with Moses himself are descendants of
Isaac not Ishmael.
- These Jews had basically lost their sense of religion because they were
enslaved to the Pharaoh of Egypt for hundreds of years
& they were forced to neglect their religion and worship the Pharaoh.
Over time the religion of Abraham was basically lost.
2. Exodus
- This books is mainly about the life of Moses and how he freed the
Israelites from Egypt and began the journey to bring them back to Israel.
- It tells about their journey to Mt. Sinai (where Moses receives the Torah
from God) and their wanderings in the wilderness.
3. Leviticus
- This book is about the laws and teachings of the Torah that was revealed
to Moses from God for the children of Israel, along with sayings and
teachings that Moses spoke & taught to the children of Israel.
4. Numbers
- This book talks about the Israelites wanderings in the desert as they
continue towards the land of Israel and how they began to apply the laws of
the Torah in their lives.
5. Deuteronomy
- This book is about the final years of Moses's life and how the Israilites
finally reach the land of Israel to restore their nation.
- These teachings & stories that Moses recieved as revelation from God were
not originally written as books, but the Jews passed down these teachings
traditionally & orally.
Many, many years after, these teachings were collected and written down
in narrative book forms in the Hebrew Language. The collection of these 5
books are known as The Pentateuch.
- All of this information that Moses spoke & taught about was revealed to
Moses from God himself through revelations and Moses thought these
revelations to the jews of that time so they can learn about their origins
and religion.
The name of the revelation given to Moses is 'Torah' and it is organized
as a list of commandments.
- Over time, The original Torah was not preserved and the governments of
Israel began modifying laws of the Torah for their own benefits. They
changed, added & subtracted many laws for their own benefits.
When the Jews began noticing this, riots and disagreements broke out
among them.
- Changing or modifying the Laws of the Torah is a major violation in the
Torah, but the governments of Israel still did this for their own benefits.
- The Messiah was supposed to restore the teachings of the Torah along with
the teachings of Moses, so that the Jews can return back to the true
religion that God prescribed for them & so peace can be restored among the
nation of Israel.
However, the jews of Israel were very corrupt, and they wanted to keep
their own laws instead of accepting the original laws of the Torah.
Even though Jesus matched all of the prophecies that the messiah was
supposed to have, The Jews neglected and killed him. Jesus was not actually
killed, God raised him back to the heavens.
- Today, the 10 Commandments are the only laws that are believed to have
not been modified by people. Jews/Christians are still confused about the
other 600+ laws contained in The Pentateuch, and they are not sure which of
these laws God prescribed and which of these are laws prescribed by people.
The original revelation that Moses received from God; The Torah, is
corrupted and mixed in with laws prescribed from people.
- The people of Israel violated the laws of the Torah that God prescribed
for them by corrupting the Torah. Jesus, who was the prophet God sent to
restore religion in the nation of Israel was killed (He was not actually
killed, God saved him) by the Jews.
- God chose the Israelities, who are descendants of Isaac, to spread the
religion of Abraham throughout the world.
However, the Israelites failed and became a corrupted nation. Things got
even worse when a man named Paul basically created Christianity and began
to brainwash people in to believing that God has children...
Paul also created perverted ideologies like the trinity, 'Jesus died for
our sins', and original sin. All of these perverted ideologies are made up
by Paul.
[New Testament]
* Gospels of Jesus
- All 4 of these gospels were originally written by unknown authors in
Greek & Aramaic languages.
- The only way of finding out if the information in these gospels are
accurate is by checking with the Qur'an, because the Qur'an is the
revelation from God; while these gospels are unauthentic man-made books.
- The message or 'good news' that Jesus spoke is called the Evangel. Many
parts of the Evengel are unknown to the Christians because Mark, Mathew,
Luke & John did not write them in their books.
- The message of the Evangel along with the Torah are both contained within
the Qur'an.
[A little info on the Qur'an]
- God promised Abraham that he would make great nations from both of
Abrahams children, Ismail & Isaac.
- The descendants of Isaac became corrupt, and they were not worthy of
receiving another prophet or revelation because they corrupted the Torah
{Revelation} and Killed Jesus {The Prophet}.
- God sent his final revelation to the final prophet, who was a descendant
from Ismail. The promise that God made with Abraham about creating great
nations from both of his sons was now fulfilled.
- Instead of sending a revelation in Law Format that can easily be modified
by people (Like the Torah), God sent this revelation in a unique poetic
format; consisted of 114 Surahs/Poetic Chapters.
All of these surahs are easily memorized by people within hours & if
someone tries to modify a letter or word from any of these Surahs,
a Hafiz, who are people that dedicate their lives in memorizing &
preserving the Qur'an easily notice this. Therefore, it is impossible to
modify any letter or word from The Qur'an.
- The Qur'an is a miraculous Revelation because it was revealed to a
prophet who couldn't even read nor write, Muhammad (PBUH).
Angel Jibreel used to reveal verses & surahs to Muhammad in the Arabic
language that Muhammad spoke. Muhammad easily learned and memorized the
entire Qur'an and he would pass it down to all of his companions.
They would pass the Qur'an down orally and today their are millions and
millions of hafiz who are people that have memorized the entire Qur'an.
Eventually, The Qur'an was written down, so it can be sent to countries
all across the world that didn't speak Arabic. They sent a Qur'an to each
of the major countries around Arabia.
One of these contries was Turkey, and that same exact Qur'an is still
preserved today in Turkey.
- Since the Qur'an is preserved in people's memories it is impossible to
get rid of it. Their are over a million people all across the globe who
have memorized the entire Qur'an.
- God made the Qur'an so that it is preserved in peoples tongues & hearts
rather than their brains. Only God can produce such a miraculous amazing
poetic revelation like the Qur'an.
- The Arabs along with the billions of Muslims living today have not
violated God's law to fit their own.
- Although, their are a small number of muslims who are becoming corrupt;
Al Qaeda & ISIS for example.
The Prophet Muhammad prophesied that near the end of times Muslims would
begin becoming corrupt and start violating the laws of the Qur'an.
This has already begun with groups like ISIS & Al Qaeda, and it is only
getting worse now...
- It is prophesied that the Messiah, Jesus would return and get people back
on the true religion of Islam. Similar, to what he tried doing over 2,000
years ago with the Jews of Israel.
- Today, both Jews & Christians are corrupt and violate God's commandments.
Jews hate Jesus & Christians associate partners with God {Trinity}.
Both Jews & Christians neglect the final prophet Muhammad, along with the
final revelation from God; The Noble Qur'an.
- The Qur'an is a revelation that addresses the Jews/Christians,
Polytheists, Atheists, and the entire mankind/jinn-kind.
- The Qur'an is loaded with countless Linguistic, Scientific, Historical &
Mathematical Miracles.
I suggest if you have some question, go talk to someone who really expert in quran tafseer (I mean some one with the degree of Quran Tafseer). Center of Islamic Da'wah can help you out with that one. Don't come back to me as I'm still learning and don't have the degree regarding quran.I was an open minded myself before carefully choosing Islam.There's a logical reason why Islam is the way of the truth.Cheers,Have fun with your quran exploration
Well, I will work my way through the Quran and perhaps see what I can find out about the Prophet Muhammed as verifying the source is as important as the work itself.All that you say is the same kind of things that others would naturally say about their religion. My religion is true and correct because ...I may come back to you from time to time with questions about the Quran. I will read the one I have as after a little research this appears to be a well respected English translation and I note that it does not translate well to English. The same is true of the Bible and probably other works of a similar sort. However if the message is clear it will retain it's meaning in any case.Please bear in mind that what is clear, logical and rational to you may have a different view for others. You have chosen a path so to speak, are committed to it and believe there is no other way. In my case I have kept a fairly open mind and whilst I do not believe in God, if anyone is able to solidly prove the contrary I would be happy to accept that as I do the proof that the Earth circles the Sun so long as that proof is as solid in nature ... and why not!
You can say whatever you want, but it won't change the situation where Islam is a religion that has been perfected and ready for humanity.You might be right. Let see if muslim is wrong. It still be the safe place to be rather than second guessing.Why?Because Islam is built on top of logic as well as believe. Islam use logic in harmony with believe. This will make sense if you later read and understand Quran fully. Quran answers why there's paradise and hell. Quran will also answer why there is only one god rather than many. Quran also answer who Jesus is and who the other messenger is. Hence, Prophet Muhammad is the final messenger.
Every religion devoutly believes it is the true religion! Saying it does not make it so. By default saying my religion is the one true religion implies that the others are not and disrespects them. The best you can do is say "I believe in my religion".Why paradise and hell?I am not sure that Muslims can see any other point of view but their own. The possibility that they could be wrong or that there might be another way is not conceivable for them. This isn't to say they are wrong or right but I must highlight the danger of certainty.
Center of islamic Da'wah is for you to get started in islamic knowledge. Not for conversion. We believe that not all people would receive Islam.in term of semitic religion, they actually part of foundation of islam. They come from the same source. Along the way they got altered and create a new religion. Prophet Muhammad came to perfecting those law and wrap up the chain of prophethood.Obviously test of believe is more complex from that and you've misunderstood the idea of being tested. It's not being insecurity of the supreme being. Supreme being doesn't need you anyway. Supreme being will only test you for your benefit. If no one in this universe obey him, no problem. He can just replace it with something else. Vengeful? This is way off the mission of supreme being. You will understand later if you understand in islamic fundamental and Quran.life is your choice. Obviously you waay misunderstood about islam. It's ok, before the major sign of the hour showing up, the door of mercy still open. You'll get the answer later in after life about the true religion
If I were to partition my time further I would probably want to get involved in something charitable and secular. Whilst I am interested in religion I’m not a believer and unlikely to become one (I’ve been through all this many times). All the Semite religions are monotheist and the other two also teach social, justice and economic aspects. Some other religions take things further and deal with the physical and spiritual stages of life for example. The Semite religions are lacking in these aspects although they do touch on them in places. There needs to be some work(s) that is/are regarded as definitive even if it is not absolute or there is no reference point for the religion in question. Passing on information by word of mouth cannot work as however hard we try we always change things as that information is relayed. A religious core must stand up and be easy to understand. If the Quran is hard to understand then it is hard to be sure of it and the best we can probably do is interpret it. This will suffice but it is a point where errors and misunderstanding occur. I will tackle “tested for our belief” at this point. Do I believe in God? Not as such. Do I believe that supreme beings (plural) exist then yes, I think this is likely. Do I believe that humans are the only intelligent life in the universe? No, I think it highly probable that life exists elsewhere and some of it is likely to be at a superior stage to us. Let’s for the moment leave any particular religion aside and make some attempt at removing some of our human view (which I am about to fail at) from the idea of a God that would make sense and here I will be subjective. In my opinion any supreme intelligent being would be benevolent, just and would lack selfish ego. If that being were able to see everything that was going on at the same time, remember it all and process it fairly then it wouldn’t matter what the sentient subject believed. It would matter how that subject carried out its life. Only if that supreme being was vengeful, possibly due to insecurity would that being start testing its subjects for belief and worship of itself. Demanding that kind of thing could also be regarded as vanity in the same way that a rich man walks down the street with bands of gold about himself only in this case it’s “look how many people believe in me and worship me”. Arguably it could be that supreme being’s way of making sure it is not forgotten about but if that supreme being is all seeing and pro-active it’s subjects are unlikely to forget about it. There is no need for that being to make any kind of threat, it is enough to write a prescription for life that stands up because it makes sense and of course if it was written by a supreme being it would and we would probably all believe in it because of that. Any work written by a supreme being would be unambiguous and easy to understand as that being understands us. To use the term “we are all God’s children” he loves each and every one of us regardless of our belief in him/it makes more sense. If we are to be judged in some way and then given a prize or made to stand in the corner it would be for what we were and not what particular thing we believed. This is an ongoing process and there is no need for any judgement day. A supreme being would seek ongoing improvement and would not provoke a pointless purge that caused suffering. A logical supreme being would be here to help etc. etc. and not be coy and unseen. If we are lab rats in a cage then I do not want anything to do with that supreme being and in my regard that being is not worthy of my attention or anyone else’s. I could go on but at this point, does any of that make any sense to you? It is not necessary to be a follower or swallow everything lock stock and barrel, we have personal choices. Only those that choose to manipulate us insist that we swallow all their pills. All the religions cover a broad wisdom and we can learn from all of them selectively as we wish.
Like I said before, the best way to understand islam is for you to go to islamic da'wah center. They would be able to help you out with the Quran because it's not an easy to understand book (which is my only complains) and like I said before, if I can summarise what Islam really is in the simple term, it pretty much the same as other religion as well, except Islam relay heavily to a call of monotheism.For me, Islam is not a religion. It's a civilisation framework. It has a religion, social, justice and economic aspect. You need to choose which one you want to learn first. Basically we believe that we live in this planet is because we are being tested for our believe. This includes learning the truth about Islam itself. That's why we have to exercise patients all the time I absolutely agree with you where some muslims nowadays takes the down turn path like the spanish inquisition. This was brought us down from the golden era. Due to fanaticism exists among the muslim itself. Therefore, I can't really promise you with any work that will satisfy your curiosity. Even for me, I'm not really satisfied going to one group of islamic study as it's only teach you about one thing over and over again. I need to go to multiple quran study group to learn a lots of stuff regarding Islam. Hence I suggest you go to islamic da'wah center as a good start.Researching on the internet doesn't take you anywhere. I tried that before. I ended up bashing some islamophobes online
Well, I, for example, refer to people who believe in Islam as Muslims as that's how they want to be known. I don't have any other special words, derogatory or otherwise, for Muslims, dividing them up in ways other than that which they do themselves, Shia/Sunni, for example. Here’s the Wikipedia entry for Kafir/Kuffar //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir.I won’t be going to any Islamic Centre anytime soon. The concepts of a religion need to be fairly simple for everyone to understand. If it cannot be explained to a reasonable depth in a few hundred pages then it has already failed and will lead to misunderstanding and confusion in my opinion at least. Simplifying this further, a wise person once said to me “if you cannot explain something clearly and concisely it’s because you don’t understand it yourself”. Armed with this and other knowledge I expect to be able to read the core book of any religion and understand the basic concepts and way of that religion. As the Quran is the core book and the final word as I understand it, that should be enough really. I can explain the essence of Christianity pretty simply, I’m not a Christian but I know enough. I also think that to take the position that “my” religion is better than everyone else’s and everyone should really believe what we believe or you are all less than us is confrontational position. This is how the Christians thought in the middle ages and is what led to the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the decimation of whole civilisations in South America and Africa. I feel that Islam/Muslims is/are starting to repeat this pattern and that worries me. Maybe that is not the position of Islam, I will need to find out more if a reliable work can be found but that seems to be the position of some of the leaders that follow Islam. At this point many Muslim’s start accusing me of being Islamophobic despite the fact that I have referenced another religion by comparison (or maybe because of it) but this is not the case. There are many mixed messages coming from the Muslim world and it is hard for people to determine which are the truest (and I think this includes some Muslims as well). I am not Islamophobic and I consider this a cheap type of card when it is dealt and only indicates the insecurity of that religion which should be welcoming the opportunity to discuss that religion as much as a salesman welcomes an objection as opportunity to discuss a possible sale. Everyone has a right to question and criticise any religion and if that religion is sound it will stand up. If you can recommend a suitable work or verify the one I have I will be happy to work my way through it and ask questions from time to time. I would expect most Muslims to give me broadly the same response to any question they know the answer to as I would expect from anyone from any faith.From what you have said I think you will see this as reasonable.
+Stuart Chalmers Kuffars are the one with bad intention towards muslims. They tends to be more violent. They know Islam is the path of the truth but they denied it. Instead they attacks muslims and kill them so they will stop spreading the words of god.Kaffirs just plainly denied Islam. Either they don't know or they just don't want to know but they tends to be more friendly and helpful. These ppl are pretty much friends to muslims and let god judge the faith of the kaffirs. But we can't attack them.I suggest you drop all kinds of book until you understand the fundamental of Islam. One way is to go to Center of Islamic da'wah and learn from them. Ask them anything. I know you will not get all the answers from them but it's ok. It's part of the test of life. That's the reason why I don't really want to learn other religion until I know mine properly. Btw, I know some about ChristianityYou can challenge Quran. In fact Quran is open for human kind to challenge it. Some muslims are not open for challenge. They tend to dismiss it as a chicken exit
Explanations of the 2 are confusing, would you care to enlighten me?Ok, I'll drop that book then. I have "The Glorious Qur'an" an explanatory translation by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall from the Islamic Dawah Centre International. Is that any good?What do you mean by " Quran can, but muslim can't"?
obviously it's the wrong book you've read. It's just full of hatred. Btw, do you know the difference between kuffar and kaffir?Quran cannot be questioned? LOL.. ridiculous statement. Quran can, but muslim can't.
I was talking about religions in general. Like I said I have not yet read enough, I can only comment on what I have seen so far. Things like "once you have accepted Islam all Kufr are to be abhored the same as walking into fire". I'm quoting that from "The Essence of the Islamic Faith" by Ahmad Samdani as this was given to me to find out about about Islam. And things like "the Quran cannot be questioned as this is a sin" and so on. Not my words, just what I read. I realise they are out of context but they don't read any better in context. I also have the Quran but I thought I would go for an introduction first.
which one is half truth you think? Obviously you haven't understand much about prophet prophecy that's already been prophesied in today's world. It's an exact match. Judging from your comment obviously you don't want to learn much about hadits and the knowledge of quran tafsir. Especially about intolerance part
I am doing some study about Islam, some I like and some I don't. Religions are a mixture of truths, half truths and for want of a better description stories. They are hard or impossible to verify historically and in the end it's just down to faith. First impressions ... there seems to be a lot more intolerance than some other religions, especially as far as other religions and non believers are concerned but I haven't really read enough yet to be reliable. I don't like the position of superiority too much either. I expect many core beliefs to be common as they usually are in most religions.A prophecy is not proven until it happens. Prophecies often generalise enough to eventually fit some circumstances that occur. It's an old trick.
just wondering, if you've learn about Islam, how depth have you learn? how well do you know about al hadits, fiqh and what's the truth in the religion according to you?also in terms of prophecy, Prophet prophecies the exact condition before the judgement day and it's really precise. Not some kind of war. in fact it will be world wide peace before the judgement day. No one knows the exact date so i won't be surprised that ppl missed that one.
If you have the time to dig deeper into each religion then that's a good idea. The concept and feel of each religion is fairly straightforward though. The ring of truth will ring to you or it won't.
+Stuart Chalmers hi Stuart, Sorry i was using my wife's account. Continuing on what you said before about reading the summary, you can never judge the religion based on summary. Just like you said everything claims each of them is correct. You need to dig deeper.
In that case perhaps you should look at a summary of the other major religions including Islam to keep the context. Each one would claim to be the one true religion but they can't all be. Perfection is an aspiration not an actuality. Beware that which you are not allowed to question and verify for yourself.
I know you would say "Quran is perfect because that's what you believe and you are not allowed to question it as I understand it"In fact in contrary. Quran is the only book that is challenge human mind. I have no other clue of other religion since I'm still learning about Islam and I'm still questioning why Islam is the perfect religion.
I do recognise the difference between Muslim and Islam. The core of most religions is usually good, it's what people do with them. There are dodgy statements in all religions including Islam but there you go, nothing is perfect although I know you will say that the Quran is perfect because that's what you believe and you are not allowed to question it as I understand it.Many people have prophesied judgement day or the end of the world. Some of those dates and times have come and gone and we are still here. There is always unrest, war, unruly cultures. Given the history we resonably know there is nothing so different about today. In every age someone is prophesying judgement day. The world will probably end one day.I will have to come back on what the Quran says about clear lines on who should be killed. I must admit I have idealogical doubts about a God who demands to be idolised.Apart from that I must ask how much you know about other religions? Some religions stand out as being more holistic than others such has the Hindu religion and some of its derivatives. The Semite religions look quite shallow in comparison. You cannot really know your own religion without knowing others but it is in the interest of some religions that one does not look at others.
oh and one more thing. These extremists have been prophesied by our Prophet Muhammad. It signaled the day of judgement is closing in. So yup, we are expecting this kind of barbaric group using Islam to appear and we are ordered to stay away from this.I believe you are an atheist so don't believe with this kind of prophecy.
You must be able to differentiate between Islam and Muslim. Yes the religion is superior, because it teaches everything from the day you are born till the day you will be judged in the day of judgement. But muslims aren't. You should know, that there are the ones who are misguided. Muslims are currently dispersed. No muslim bear the fault of others we even though we bear the same book. We are different. Btw, Quran draw the lines who are clearly needs to be killed and who are needs to be spared (99,99% are spared even though you are non muslims). Those transgressors using the name of Islam must be dealt accordingly. In this world and in the day of judgement
In these days a lot of terrorism and atrocities are being committed in the name of Islam not so much those other things (Atheist, Christian and even Jews, Hindu, etc.) so it does make a difference. The people doing them believe they are doing these things for Allah (MHNBG). With statements like "all Kufr should be abhorred" and it's ok to kill for Allah if you have to it's not that surprising. I accept that acts must be justified but where do you draw the line on that, who decides?Many Muslim's believe their religion is superior and that they are superior because of it, this among other points makes for trouble.
people can do anything in the name of anything, but doesn't means anything to anything. Obviously, I can do some damage in the name of Atheist, Christian and even Jews, hindu, etc.. Therefore, any muslims who read quran will understand that when idiots doing some damage in the name of islam (unless justified act), It doesn't mean anything to us
+citraviana The recent killing of the 130 children+ at Peshawari by the Taliban recently. You'll probably tell me they are not true Muslims which may be so but they are still doing these things in the name of Islam.
I think you show that the Quran / Islam is following the usual religious corruptions. I could dispute a few things you say but in the end all religions end up horribly corrupt, used and abused by horrible people. The only question that remains is to what degree? The purity of the Quran in evidence doesn't seem to be standing up any better unfortunately.
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If different Muslims can have different "peaceful" interpretations of the
Quran, which has scripture against women, homosexuals, and infidels, then
why can't Christians are all ignorant racist cause they all have the exact
same hating view on the Bible, with scripture about love and peace with
your enemies?
Sorry, this turned into a bit of an armchair thesis.
IMO It is not stupidity on the american side. It is the exact same strategy
by another bunch of extremists. It is such a basic trick we were probably
doing this for so long it is in our genes. It doesn't need any conspiracy.
* Start with a population of moderates.
* Pick some polarising division. It could be race, religion, gender issues,
whatever.
* Become an 'extremist'. Attack the other side in the name of your side.
* Rely on some group on the other side to reciprocate. Why? Read on.
* Repeat by reciprocating back.
It is just nature that people feel the attacks on themselves more strongly
than attacks on someone else, especially if those attacks happen in another
country. Your attack on some innocent moderates over there will probably
initially cause the moderates on your side of the division to be repelled.
However an equivalent attack on them by extremists in the name of the other
side will have even greater effect, resulting in a net movement towards
your camp.
The result? From a population of moderates, create a world of shit... that
you are king of half. The opposing extremists are king of the other half.
Together you are like one organism shoving moderates into your maw with
both hands. Something I think you will never see is two opposing extremists
whose attacks accurately hit each other and leave the moderates to get on
with their lives. That is the opposite of their goal.
For this strategy to work, the moderates have to accept the division is
significant. Until they do all they will see is two extremist groups
attacking moderates, ie them. Once the moderates accept the division it
looks like the militant arm of the opposing side attacking them, and the
militant arm of their side defending them, and the slide in to shit begins.
I think this is why there is such a battle just to force Obama to use the
term "Islamic Extremist" while he insists on just saying Extremist. On the
one hand you would think it so ridiculously obvious that ISIS are Islamic
extremists that there shouldn't be any harm admitting it. On the other hand
the people trying to force him to say that term are also the people who
take every opportunity to imply muslims are homogeneous and that Islamic
and Islamic extremists are interchangeable terms.
BTW isn't ISIS a weird name for ultra extremist islamics? Are they going to
look up a dictionary one day and realise they have to flog themselves to
death for naming themselves after an Egyptian goddess of wisdom?
+nipi tiri(Iraq was a total surprise to me. I think the same strategy was intended for Afghanistan but Iraq was a far more juicy propaganda target, having clearly no relation to 9/11. And of course America had just taken out their enemy there.)Im mainly remembering one conversation between a reporter and Obama. Yes it was really glaring, but also glaring that the reporter would not move past it and kept working on him. He could have just underlined it, said that many disagreed, and moved on. American detractors should have been happy to paint the president as a wuss. My nutty conspiracy vibe really tweaked then because in my worldview, from day one (9/11), terrorists were just using america as a propaganda tool to elevate themselves. There was this huge propaganda advantage to ISIS if they could quote a soundbite from the President linking the war to a war on Islam in general. ISIS would cream themselves over a statement like that and the far right would cream themselves if ISIS could ever trigger a dirty bomb on american soil. It would be like exchanging love letters.I think the statement "Terrorism is related to Islam" is entirely true. It would immediately get turned into "Islam, compared to Christianity" though, which is very untrue IMO. Every horrid vicious thing in Islam has been popular in Christian theocracies at some point. It is all still there, bubbling under the surface in wacky fundamentalist sects. I think it is only strong secular principles in western governments that defend us from these. If that ever fails these things will flood back into law. It is happening all the time at a state level and then being overridden by the constitution.The choices are not between doing nothing and giving the terrorists exactly what they want. If those really were all the choices I actually would recommend doing nothing.What works pretty well is supporting moderate and secularist muslims against the extremists. It can be with arms, even bombings in support of moderate governments while they are publicly supporting them. If they start double talking, expecting support while passing responsibility to america, immediately withdraw that sort of support. I believe they would stop quickly.It doesn't even need to be military. Any sort of economic support will let the moderates put a larger fraction into defence. Look at the cost of the wars and think how much could be built with that.Remember that most muslims HATE these guys. Even the other extremists hate them. It takes real effort, trillions of dollars of bombs and tanks and guns to overcome these century like feuds and force them together. There isn't any century long feud with America or the west. The crusades actually prove this because between the crusades things could totally flip around. More recently we have the blatant example that Bin Laden was an ally and Russia was the Great Satan, and before that Russia was a major ally against the Nazis. Propagandists are always rewriting history to imply the current enemy is the great eternal enemy.
I doubt anyone believes they can can "force" Obama to say anything. Coax him into doing so?That Obama needs to try so hard not to say those 2 words in one sentence is troubling in and of itself. To me it implies that doing so would upset muslims. Which in turn implies that muslims are in denial of there being a connection between said terrorists and Islam. How can a problem be solved if the people involved are in denial of its existence?As far as I know there is no concrete evidence to connect 9/11 to Iraq. Instead of a "terrorist trap" it seems more like a "US excuse" to finally go to war there.Nontheless doing nothing in response to terrorist attacks is not going to end the problem now is it? Or do you believe that occasional mass murder is no reason for concern?
+nipi tiri I said the people trying to force him to say that term are also the people who take every opportunity to imply muslims are homogeneous and that Islamic and Islamic extremists are interchangeable terms.Im talking about specific people, or at least extremely specific groups such as Fox News and their favourite politicians. It is very different from grouping all muslims from Pakistan to Malaysia under one umbrella and outright saying that even moderates are only a step from ISIS. Even among extremists many would virulently hate ISIS. America would have to bomb and bomb and bomb before they joined forces.It just felt so incredibly stilted. The statements felt so scripted and weird to me. Why not just point out how stupid Obama is and exploit it? why dig so hard to get him to put Islamic and extremist into a single sentence while he tries so hard not to? Of course I do just see the world through a different lens. It is just something I have been expecting, and believe these extremist islamists have been seeking hard since 9/11: whatever they can point to that demonstrates America is not targeting extremists specifically but Islam in general. (In this detail I do believe the various involved extremists are fairly amorphous, also I always had trouble spelling Al Qaeda)I don't believe terrorism ever frightens a country as big as america into backing down. Terrorism is pinpricks. It enrages a country into attacking. The night I saw planes crashing into the twin towers (it was night here, different timezone) and before any country was brought into it, or any liberal lectured me on the different ethnic groups of Afghanistan or Iraq, my brain was screaming "ITS A TRAP!"There was nothing more obvious to me than that this would force America in to the middle east, and that this would feed extremism. Why shouldn't the extremists make the same mental leap? And that is exactly what we got. America stuck there, extremists doing everything to keep such a prize there, popping up just to prove America could not protect random market places, emerging in 'force' when america would try to withdraw and "chasing" the massive american machine.I guess I lost an american online friend that night when I pretty much downloaded this to her. I guess I was a dick. I wish I could have found a better way of explaining it. I and so many others just had to sit back here and watch it happen. Thousands of americans, hundreds of thousands of civilians dead to feed the extremists exactly what they so clearly wanted.
+peter 1) A president should call things as they are.2) "On the other hand the people trying to force him to say that term are also the people who take every opportunity to imply muslims are homogeneous and that Islamic and Islamic extremists are interchangeable terms."Now youre the one who is assuming all those people are homogeneous and interchangeable. Youre criticize making generalizations by generalizing the people you criticize for it. Hypocritical isnt it?3) I believe they already call themselves IS (Islamic State) instead of ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria).4) Why would they care about what they sound like after being translated and made into an acronym?
You people are abt as smart as a bag of rocks, what do you think will
happen if we do not fight back???!!! Sounds like propaganda here to me. You
better believe if people want to kill you, you better kill them first
because if you sit here and cry abt PC or talk tactics that wont happen or
work, you are dead. Wake up, if you think you have some better way, bring
it up and stop complaining that we are "falling into the hands of what the
terrorists want", because all you are doing is yapping abt hearsay and
overlooking the death of the people who are the victims of these people.
SHAME ON YOU!!!
okay cleaver idea. so we take the whole country's people into our countries
and what? give them the jobs we need? What about the governance of the
country that harbors ISIS???? And yes there many. Be big! Be bold! Be
strong. but have the balls to take those governments to task. and it they
can't work with you...... destroy the whole bloody country. One bomb, no
fuss. job done! It worked like magic in Japan.
+gerizzyYMcrewSame with that "hostage" they released that said they were terrified at the thought of us sticking together and drones do nothing. Nice try.