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137 VL Christian & Oliver - (2011-10-14)
No spoilers, please!! To watch with subtitles, press the small CC button under the video. Doors again ;) Info: 1. Full letter at 7:30 (translation by Lugia. Thank you!)
Christian almost has a heart attack the moment Olli touches his hand. And
his brain is so foggy, he has trouble saying the next sentence. And Olli
looks like he's hiding behind that door, a bit like a scared rabbit, but he
can't make himself take his hand off Christian's. Eheh! The chemistry
between them is still amazing. And the flirtatious looks and smiles between
them in this episode and the previous one... They're still in love, no
doubt about it. Now, they just need to stop being stubborn.
Vielen dank May! :) - Another grreat Chrolli filled episode - oh Christian
don't give up on Olli, trust your feelings!! Olli was sooooo cute in his
short & t shirt - what a sweetie! So glad that Christian was the one who
found out about Theresa (or 'that bith') and it was so sweet of Olli to
give him some advice - the love and bond is still there. Come on Dana, work
your magic and wipe the floor with that jockey bitch!!!!! I love
Christian's reverse psychology, nice touch! CHROLLI FOREVER!!!
@Iclabon72 Yep, it looks like you and a few other commenters, who have also
recently discovered the word "retribution" and want it applied with an
Old-Testament god's zeal, are about the last of the feverishly disgruntled,
still hoping that the VL writers will script an episode where Christian is
reduced to a heap of tears and remorse and stripped of all his dignity. The
old an-eye-for-an-eye revenge has gotten spruced up for 2011 with the new
an-insanity-for-an-insanity model. Good choice.
Thanks for the vids May. Are the phrases like knoochy-knoochy(pardon the
spellingg) easy to translate or do you have to work to come up with a
similar phrase like smoochy- smoochy? I love the informality of both. Also,
in Lugia's translation it says that the guys say "getting it up?" before
putting the door up and you changed it to lifting it up. I wondered if your
phrase is a more accurate one or is it open to interpretation? Since
"getting it up is a double entendre in english I wondered.
@phb85 Yes, I got that Christian was worried that Oli just wanted sex from
him and nothing more. But to suggest that Oli would go to the trouble of
engineering the door situation to 'seduce' him is ridiculous, especially
since Christian seemed more than willing to be seduced. For once I agree
with Andi with his 'huh'. Christian is clearly confused. That's what
happens when you agree to a divorce that neither of you want! Maybe Oli's
break up guide book has a section on unwanted divorces ;p
@sklflower What makes Christian an annoying and absolutely uninteresting
character? He's introduced to viewers as a full-blooded heterosexual,
consistently develops relationship issues with girlfriends, is incapable of
resisting the love of and loving a man, marries this man, and then uses his
former sexuality as a bludgeon against this relationship. What's not
interesting? Maybe the storytelling leaves something to be desired but IMO
this character is conflicted, vulnerable and affecting.
For those few that are looking to have the Chrolli storyline end - the VERY
FEW; I would like to remind them of what has been the norm for gay tv
characers. They have killed one of them, they have moved them out of the
program, put one in a coma yet to recover. Does the lifesyle only survive
in stereotypical situation comedies? Everyone who cares about a positive
reflection of gay relationships had better hope that sanity will ultimately
prevail. The genre is quickly running out of tries.
@sklflower Everyone to his own opinion about the characters and the
actors...Chucking an actor because of his character's flaws is probably
ill-advised. From my point of view, Chrolli without Christian would be a
meager substitute; Chrolli without Olli would be equal folly. These guys,
together, are mesmerizing on screen. Each has his own stylistic quirks and
acting fortes and those idiosyncrasies mesh. They're an incredible duo. Why
fix what ain't broke. Fix the story line instead.
@paris0650 I must say, I agree with you. I am taken back by how judgmental
some are of Christian's actions since the separation, but not Olli's. It
seems that the idea of his sleeping with a woman is just appalling or some
sort of unique violation. I still believe we will find he did not sleep
with Jessica - so put that aside. I would like to remind that it is exactly
these types of "black and white" judgments of right and wrong that the
mainstream use against the gay community.
@sklflower Yes, yes, we know. Christian is a turd who doesn't deserve to
live or breathe the same air as Olli. Olli is a saint who walks on water,
heals the sick when they touch his scarves, and occasionally changes tap
water into Prosecco. Does that pretty much cover the gist of your feelings
about the couple? News bulletin: the boys have decided to move on with
their lives, learning to be civil and a bit caring toward each other again.
Enough with the tempest in a teapot!
@everettb100 I guess people who are appalled by christian sleeping with
women are those who want him to be REALLY gay and not bi. In oliver's
defense, I guess the main issue is infidelity regardless if it is to a guy
or a girl even if he almost did it himself. On the other hand, oliver's
constant fear of chistian leaving him for a woman is not fair to christian.
Right now, what's working for me is the anticipation of what will happen to
the Chrolli story.
@valnyra that's funny because I was thinking about that the other day. I
was like "Is is wrong of me to actually want Andi to BECOME an expert in
smoochy-smoochy between men by trying it himself?" Even fi the show never
makes Andi gay or even bisexual, the writers could at least throw some
fantasy sequesnces in some of these episodes in which maybe someone else
who's gay falls for Andi and has naughty fantasies about him, which could
include kissing.
@kidwebber Yes, the bisexuality issue has become the bane of this
storyline. It probably could have been a very illuminating element of
Chrolli's story line had it been handled well but it wasn't. Had
Christian's relapse into heterosexuality been discussed and his finding
solace in women during periods of stress in his relationship with Olli
actually given some script time, it might have been something more than a
ploy.
@vi867 Yes, and the frightening thing is many juries probably have one or
two of this ilk sitting as members. Yikes, for the defendants who piss them
off! "Rake him over coals until he's a crispy brown, then draw and quarter
him like a well roasted chicken". I mean Christian cheated, perhaps with
two people. This wasn't an affair and it wasn't with a minor. To
paraphrase, "What humane-less moralists these mortals be."
@everettb100 It seems we're a rapidly growing minority. There's consolation
in that. I agree regarding Jessica. I'm becoming convinced she's a great
deal brighter than anyone imagined--perhaps the brightest female bulb of
the lot. She's probably engineered all that's happened, starting with the
alleged threesome. She doesn't strike me as someone who gives anything away
without a guarantee of equal or greater gain.
@paris0650 I totally agree with you. The character of christian is very
confusing, is he really gay or shall we just say he is bi. I think the
writers need to finalize his character properly or at least have them
christian settled for somebody. I love the christian and oliver story but
if they will not continue their story line then don't switch him back and
forth to women and men since they have used it already.
WHAT A TEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enter Andi and I yelled out loud a certain
German swear word I've learned from this show :) Wow. I feel like we've
come so far but we still have so far still to go. I'm getting all hot and
bothered. I am Undone! Curse you, you writers you for so expertly toying
with our emotions yet keeping us riveted to your plots!! You best make the
payout very very worth it!!! DANKE, MAY!
I wanted to slap Jessica when she touched Chris, i mean slap her in to
another world. This was so awesome finally something positive and I mean
really positive, WOOHOO WOOHOO i love it, and Andi's remark smoochie
smoochie and knowing all about it, Chris teasing him about it. Finally an
episode where i did not need anything i had a smile on my face, even when i
wanted to slap Jessica :D :P Thanks May
wow that was the best acting and i loved this episode. one thing can
someone go in the flat and get that freaking book and throw it in the
river, omg, arghhhhhhh. i loved how they just talked and got along, and how
Olli was still there for Chris. wowowowowowowowowowow this episode has me
flying high, i know there is more SH*T coming but at least i had this.
thanks May so much, i needed this one.
@IceGuyProd What possible difference does it make, in any case? We are not
going to see it, don't need to see it - to appreciate the chemistry,
passion and love. That is one thing the directors have done a great job of
with this relationship. They have not held back on the physical expression
of love and passion between two men. No one needs to know anything beyond
that.. Just an opinion
CH should explain his behavior,the cheating with Jessica and Theresa
should not be swept under the rug . there is no problem that he is still
attracted to women, he is bisex after all , he should stop to label himself
as gay and explain the same to Olli , and .. it's a big problem that he is
not able to stay faithful when they have quarrels with Olli and it must be
adressed .
The hands! Oh, the hands! So nearly a kiss and then DAMN YOU ANDI!!!!! Plus
WTH was up with Chris and the dumb 'shower gel' chat?? You both love each
other and want to be together. Simple. Oh, and was I the one anticipating a
talk about that nearly moment, and then be disappointed it didn't appear?
Okay, are the wardrobe people just really pissed off at Joe? Did he used to
date one of them and maybe it ended badly? He himself has said that he
hate's Olli's clothes, but what he's wearing at 1:38 is so bad, Kurt Hummel
wouldn't touch it. He's dressed like a mom taking her kids to the beach.
nice episode, and I hope we will see Chrolli together again . in
Christian's defense - I still believe that he loves Olli, but it's a high
time to prove it! in Olli's defense - I still believe that he loves
Christian, but I understand his fears and uncertainties ,regard to
christian.
We really need to get Andi to try smoochy-smoochy between men. "Forget the
relationship, you can have sex without one. And most of the time, it's even
better". Thanks for that pearl of wisdom, Jessica! Angry!Christian is HOT.
And WHY do Chris and Olli have to be so fucking adorable?
@sfvniceguy maybe he did not intend to give Olli this look but just did b/c
deep inside he obviously wants to get Olli back..oh and I speak German and
I also don't know what's up with the term "ring washers" ^^ but if it was
meant to be some kind of innuendo then i approve xD
I admit Christian was completely confused when he was talking to Andi tho
it was funny but I still love him. I don't think Christian needs to prove
that he is attracted to Olli you could tell by the door scene he wants him
badly no straight man would look like that! :)
Andi, here's a piece of advice for you: If you know Christian and Olli are
together someplace, but you need their attention for one thing or another,
do mind coming in QUIETLY?! I mean, you disrupted a VERY long awaited
moment here... *looks at you disapprovingly*
If they didn't know before, they def know now that their wanting the other
is mutual. Guess it's just a matter of daring to put their hearts on the
line again... Don't think I've said this before but @MercuryMay01 I love
you for posting theese vids, Thank you!!!
i really loved this episode... I now get the hope that Olli and Christian
will get back together again soon.... I wish the same happens in my life as
well.... Loved the way Olli replied... and Christian's smile inside the
house....