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Celsus didn't want that the jews would be father of the civilization.He know that it will if christianism succeed because christianism inherit the cultural background and worldview of the jews, so inheritance imply identity so christianism was correctly seen as a type of judaism.The same thing apply to islam too. 

+Fabrice BizecI've always been amazed at how people blame Christians for having been persecuted. It's the kind of discriminative rhetoric that blames oppressed groups like Blacks, Jews, workers or minorities. "There's all reason to oppress them, because if not, they will rise up and take away our privileges!" That was pretty much what Celsus was saying about Christians.And so what if Muslims took the science of other civilizations? This has been done with virtually all cultures. The Greeks themselves who you praise did the exact same thing as the Muslims. They grabbed the science of Egypt, Phoenicia and Babylon and developed it, and you certainly don't think there's anything wrong with this.As for Rassias, he is not a reputed historian and he doesn't provide any sources. His information is not credible at all.

+Bacab You are right with Celsus but When I refer to Celus it was not to proove the previous points but to show why Romans prosecuted christians, it's a mistake i made in my comment. "Burning Libraries" : read //www.rassias.gr/9011.html"The muslims advancement" : muslim took the advancement of other people like greeks, persians, hinduists... for exemple the "arabic numbers" are hindus numbers. You make the point with Gengis Khan.

+Fabrice Bizec Celsus wrote in the second century CE, before Christianity was made the religion of the Roman Empire, so he not only did not accuse Christians of destroying libraries and killing scientists, but could not have done so because that literally did not even happen at the time. Citing him as evidence for Christian atrocities is completely ignorant. Not that Christians actually burned libraries, because they didn't. They did burn books, but not entire libraries. And while in history Christians have executed a number of philosophers and scientists, this is not the rule but the exception. They have actually supported them, and so have Muslims, otherwise the great advancements in science that the latter made could not have happened. Finally, the religions you mention HAVE persecuted philosophers and scientists. For instance, the Mongols, who can be considered "shamans", destroyed many houses of knowledge and libraries in places like Syria, Iraq, Persia and China, and killed many scholars during their invasions. So did the Manchus who conquered China.

+Xm Flash the christians fuckt us up but were fightin back and we wil win

+satish885 i hope the christians are scared of we wand ure religion back

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+Apostol407 Early christians were unfriendly for the hellenic culture and the lands whitch host them : they were a fanatical and parasitic gang.

+Apostol407 we wil never stop fightin i am a greco-roman i supord the hellenics in the south east and supord the noorse faith in the north and ofcour ure celtic brotheres in the uk WE WIL DO EVERYTINE TO GAIN URE RELIGION BACK

In the end this religious bullshit doesn't even matter. Unless if religion is backed by politics and economy then its really just a fucking pastime by these middle class europeans with nothing else to do.

+Apostol407 There is no question that Theodosius I launched a cultural genocide of Hellenism. Yes, the Christians were persecuted before the time of Constantine, but most of those persecutions were political in nature. The Oracles weren't killing Christians. 

+Apostol407 Diocletian was aware of his Identity. Just as Julian was. The Worship of the Gods (Eusebeia) does not stand alone. Eusebeia is only one aspect of Hellenism. There is also Mythology, languages, customs, Ethos, Philosophy, Arete etc. All that is Hellenism, and the Hellene or hellenic Ethnicus is carrier of indigenous hellenic Identity. Maybe the UN does not understand the word Geno-Cide, but I do. Genocide and Ethnocide, also referring to as Cultural Genocide, are different things. Genocide is the destruction of an Ethnicity, Ethnocide the destruction of its Ethos / way of live. 3000 or 5000 christian victims are not enough in order to speak of a Genocide. Look at the christians of Africa at that time or in Ephesos, they faced a very soft persecution. Diocletian did not care about their "beliefs", but their stance towards the State. If you really want to know about the thousands of victims in Constantinople, just read "The Last Pagans" by P. Chuvin. Christians murdered Hellas, and Constantinople was also responsible for the crimes of Alarichos and his monks against hellas, for Constantinople payed him off and sent him back to Hellas, Arcadius recalled his soldiers to rome, Stilichus returned to Rome too, and left Hellas defenceless. About Antiochus IV: his personality can hardly be described as hellenic. He called himself "theos epiphanes" and represented his own empire, the Seleucid one, 167 BCE he gained control over Jerusalem again, established a hellenic pseudo-Polis, and in order to ensure his power he turned the Temple of Yahwe into a Temple of Zeus. By Hellenism I mean the real, historic one, not the glorified one of the Occident or that one, which Romiosyni founded 200 years ago. Only because modern "Europe" refers to Hellenism as its own marker stone, it does not mean that Hellenism has not been destroyed. Soon you gonna tell me, that the Nazis have not destroyed german Judaism, because something of it still stands tall. Christians brought up a new culture, and this new culture is not the Culture of Hellenic Ethnos. The Hellenic Ethnos has its own, indigenous Culture represented by Pletho, Marullus, Kallentzis and so on. Hellenism is a Way of Life, an Ethos. Not Museums, only language or some Myths. Modern romaic State does not concern Hellenism.Hellenism was demolished by Justinian. He also closed the Athenian Academy, made the production of hellenic man impossible. The last Hellenic bastion in Greece was Mani, which Christianity has also ruined down to the Ground. Hellenes still existed, but their Culture was lost. They lived in the shadows, could not come to light without losing their lives. Greek Religion was very alive in Hellas, the oriental Cults affected rome rather than Greece. The Athenians still worshiped Pallas Athena and their Heroes.

+HellenismosTVDiocletian would have identified as a Hellene, for starters, just like the Roman Emperor Julian. Besides, the way I use the term Hellene is for anyone who worships the Greco-Roman gods, regardless of ethnicity or national origin. Apparently don't seem to understand what genocide is. You can commit genocide to a religious group, read the UN definition of genocide, or any basic definition of that term, for that matter. Neither does genocide, or ethnocide for that matter, means that the entire group has been eradicated. So yeah, the Diocletian persecution can be considered a genocide since he targeted a specific religious group with the intention of eliminating it, killing a large proportion of members from said group. You can argue that Christians did the same once it became the state religion, but that wouldn't change what Diocletian did.Now, I really want to know where you get the figures of "thousands" of slaughtered Hellenes in Constantinople. Christians used violence to enforce their religion throughout the empire, but it wasn't nearly to the same extreme as what Emperor Hadrian or Antiochus IV (whom I don't know why you say he doesn't represent Hellenism when he was a devout believer in Zeus and even promoted his cult) did to the Jews. And how did Christians destroy Hellenism when it continues to be an important marker of European identity. Sure, Hellenism is no longer practiced as a religion, but Christians did not destroy it either. If you want to see a culture that Christians really destroyed, look at the Mayans or the Aztects, but not Greco-Roman culture when Christians continued it. Greek is still alive, Greek mythology is preserved pretty much in its entirety, and Christians kept so much Hellenic material culture that it literally fills museums and serves as significant income for modern Greece thanks to tourism. Hell, if Christians had destroyed Greek culture, the Islamic Golden Age would not have happened.Also, I wouldn't say that it was Christianity that killed religious Hellenism. There were still Hellenes well into the 6th century, for crying out loud, and throughout the 5th century you have an influential Hellenic artistocracy that still generated debate with Christians. Just read St. Augustine's City of God. Rather, religious Hellenism died because of wars with the invading Germanic tribes, the Huns and the Sassanid Empire. In fact, Hellenic religion was already in decline before the 4th century, as shown by the Crisis of the Third Century that brought significant cultic changes to the empire.

+Apostol407 Hellenes did not commit genocide against anyone. Diocletian was a roman Emperor, not hellenic. Christianity is not an Ethnos, so we can hardly speak of Genocide. And Antiochus IVwas not a represent of Hellenism. And by they way: the Jews killed thousand innocent Hellenes, thereafter the greek side take vengeance on them, and again innocent people died. Cultural Genocide is an other term for Ethnocide. And Ethnocide is the right word to describe the war against Hellenism. For it was not allowed being Hellene anymore. Christians slaughtered many thousands of Hellenes in Constantinople, Antiochia and elsewhere. They even destroyed the last bastion of Hellenism at Mani, Peloponnes. Those temples in modern greece are the remnants, Romiosyni has left of greek Temples. And many of them survived only due the fact they were perverted to Churches. All hellenic we hold in our hands was handed down to us by Rennaisance and the Enlightment. And without Pletho, and other Platonists, no Rennaissance could have been possible. And even these elements of Hellenism were not perfectly hellenic, for they were considered and suffered from a christian point of view. Ethnocide is the right word, it simply means: "The deliberate and systematic destruction of the culture of an ethnic group" (oxford dictionaries online: English: Ethnocide).