Ancient greece spears Videos

thanks for the help

+Marc Casten Black paint and electrical tape.

cosplay prop =.=

you can always make a steel one yourself.

Nobody said that you are supposed to use this in a battle

+Linkxsc There you go again, assuming the "smothering" will be completely one sided and unstoppable. The spearmen don't have to hug their sheilds to themselves and helplessly await the swordsmen's rush. they can punch out and delay them at arms length while STABBING the opponents, who are STILL not close enough to make good use of their swords, even opponents that are diagonal to them. Not once did I say it was unbeatable, just that there is a reason that almost every professional army of all time, save the romans for a short period of their history, used spears and shields as their primary weapon. If it was as simple as "smother and get past the tip", it wouldn't have been used so often. As far as hiding the spear, if I can find Thrand's video where he demonstrates that, facing the camera, I will share it with you. The Romans probably armed themselves the way they do for a number of factors. They did use spears in a typical phalanx at first, until the Samnites started using harassing tactics with rapid moving skirmishers armed with pila and other projectiles. The romans switching trading the advantages of a thrusting spear for a throwing spear and using a larger shield that could block missiles simply made sense. Later in the Empire, when they were facing better organized and better armored adversaries that had become accustomed to roman sword and pilum tactics, they switched to spears and round shields once again. 

+TheChiconspiracyAnd my group on the left and right will be smothering their guys with shields. Like honestly. Pretty sure I pointed out that its quite hard for spears to deal with a full line charging them and smothering them.And when did I say they're "safe" in smothering range? By definition, noone is safe at that range. This includes the spear user, who has significantly fewer options up that close than someone with a shorter more maneuverable weapon, regardless of how they hold their spear. Being overhand just actually gives them options.And as to "choking up and hiding the point" You may be able to hide the point, but the back of the spear sticking up and will tell you exactly what they're doing. Actually "hiding the spear" would be more of an underhand style thing TBH. The point is, the spear tip isn't the only thing you should be looking at. And its already pretty obvious what form of attack is coming.And honestly I haven't watched every single one of Thrands videos yet, hes got quite a few. Just been chugging along at 1-2 a day whilst on lunch breaks and such, amongst the other pages I'm subscribed to.But you latched on to the "getting round the pointy bit". All I've offered are suggestions of how I have quite often, beaten spear users who are notably more skilled than I, despite them using this exact same form, and them having done it for 4-5 years of events, while I only popped in 2 years ago with no experience.Spears are easy to use, and they are effective.But as you seem to be suggesting that this form of spear use is "unbeatable" I'm left to wonder then. Why didn't the Romans do it? Why did they decide on a rectangular shield, and a shortsword, if there was already a historical precedent of a "better" way of fighting?

+Linkxsc Thrand has shown you can choke towards the spearpoint and hide the spear behind the shield in another video. No, you don't need to get tired by holding this position indefinitely... not sure why you are assuming that. Spears can also quickly change attack targets, and do it from further away. Also you assume the swordsman is "safe" if he can get into "smothering" range, as if the spearman can't also punch his shield out and hold him, or at least delay him, at arms length. A spear can be held almost vertically by choking towards the point, and stab straight down over a shield. Also... his friends on the left and right will be putting spearheads through your face, arms, throat, and whatever else is available. So no... you will not be "good to go" just because you are shield to shield.

+TheChiconspiracyAnd Ill attest again that I don't care about the style of holding the spear, as trying to go after someone with a short weapon and no shield is basically suicidal."getting past the pointy end" can mean anything from, knocking and underarm or 2h grip to the side and closing, Or blocking and forcing their spear back while attacking with the sword.But I'll start on the "baseless" argument first. An overarm style with a lighter hide centergrip shield was favored by African tribes throughout much of history. Why then did the Zulus have such an advantage militarily when they instead changed to a shorter 2-3ft handled 1ft bladed spear? Ofcourse though the topic of this video is Greeks and the Phalanx.And when I said "advantage", Try doing overarm style against someone who's got their shield just kinda held up a bit, and is within a foot from you or maybe brushing shields with you. Can't reach up high enough to "thrust over their shield", and your own shield is likely in the way preventing you from making your own attacks lower.Meanwhile they're on you with a sword thats short and can very quickly change from attacks to your head (which you should probably protect), to attacks on your leg. Meanwhile you might try and shift back, but if you're in a formation you likely don't have the space. And if a whole line rushed and is doing this to your front row... its time to get your own shorter weapons out, or try for attacks diagonally, but its certainly not a favorable situation for the spear by now.At least the way I see it in larping, spears have a range of effectiveness of about a foot infront vs someone else with a shield, up to the max reach of the spear in whatever grip. Close that distance ("get past the pointy bit") and just smother them with your shield.Also where are you getting this "hidden" spear? You must have some long ass arms, are holding that shield way out in front (and thus getting really tired as the hopolite shield was quite heavy), or have a pretty short spear. We do have 1 guy who seems to manage that, but he runs a 5ft spear and is a tall lanky dude with like 3ft arms.Thrand, a good size guy with pretty long arms, can't "hide" the spear either (and from either of the poses shown, I highly doubt launch an effective attack.) Though a shorter spear (like the Zulu used) would actually be extremely effective at this.Ofcourse though my opinions are obviously shit now as I have professed that I am a "larper" and not... whatever the hell else there's supposed to be. Don't know of any HEMA groups that practice any form of polearm combat. At least not within a few hours drive of me. (There's a kendo place where I could do naginata though.)

+Linkxsc You claimed a swordsman "can get past the pointy end"I countered with the fact that an overhand spear, unless incredibly long, can have the pointy end withdrawn well behind the shield, as Thrand demonstrated.Your further claim that the sword has an advantage seems baseless, considering how a hidden spear can suddenly shoot out OVER the swordsman's shield and into his face.  

+LinkxscVery true

+ThegnThrandMy point I was making with regards to the OP, was that trying to go after someone with a spear (overarm, underarm, 2h) with nothing but a single short weapons (be it sword, axe, or mace) is pretty suicidal. And its this fact that's probably why the things stuck around in some from or another in combat for... all of history.Though having a shield does open up options. (which is why they also stuck around through most of history too)

+Linkxsc The overarm throwing slide style with proper spear balance has not point protruding and can get maximum power, range of motion, full reach and most importantly be used point blank or even hidden behind shield in single combat.

+Linkxsc Except he's not "past the point" against an overhand spear which can be held far back, concealed with the shield and thrust down OVER the swordsman shield with considerable power and speed. The advantage is compounded in group combat, since the spearmen's friends can stab the swordsman far more easily than vice versa. 

+TheChiconspiracy as swordsman with a SHIELD, can get past the pointy end ange engage the spearman generally with an advantage. But its not a sure win. Spears are versetile. theres a reason why they stuck around in warfare for... what, 5000 years? No wait, they had them back in mesopotamia too... 6000 years? A long damn time, thats what.

+Dejawolfs Ja, Very true and good surmise of usage of the spear tight formation.

+Dejawolfs Ja, Very true and good surmise of usage of spear tin tight formation.

+Gumaro R. Villamil if you watch closely you will see he simply does not have the the same amount of room to use the full range of motion with underarm. with underarm he's smacking into the guy behind him, and the thrusts are also limited by the guy behind him. lindybeige only fights in single-line fairly open formations. when you are in a tight greek multi-line phalanx, overarm looks to me to be vastly superior.

+Justin Castellano Of course, yet swords have a status symbol if it is about melee weapons like no other.

Are handguns overrated? Swords are your sidearm and are often a go to when your main weapon is unusable or inappropriate. Also, this is a battle scenario, and most people didn't carry polearms in their daily lives.

+Philip Palim For a few centuries yes, but both early and late period Romans had spears as a primary weapon. If you count "Byzantines" as Romans, as most serious historians do, then spears were by far the most long used infantry weapon of the Roman Empire.

+Michael Holland Heh, don't forget that a basic spear blade can be made by any decent blacksmith since it is similar in size and shape to various agricultural implements. Note this also applies to common axes. Longer items like swords or fancy pole weapon heads require a much more skilled sword (or weapon) smith to get similar quality.Now, every village pretty much had access to a blacksmith so when it was time to call out the levee...

+casey b Odin was the spear god. They must have had great respect for the spear.

They did? I never ever see Vikings depicted with spears. I believe you of course. Also that's pretty much what I said. Spearmen with a shield became 2 handed pikemen thanks to better body armor.

+casey b Actually, no - they stopped using shields for two main reasons: firstly better body armour and then gunpowder making shields irrelevant. In the classical era spear and shield was the norm and even phalanxes using two-handed spears/pikes also generally carried shields, to protect from archers. When English archers met Scottish and Welsh shiltrons, it did not go well for the Scots or Welsh in general. So if you have good armour, or your opponents are using guns, then a pike is better. If you have light armour and/or your opponents have archers, then shields and spears are better. The Scandinavians of the Viking era incidentally also had spears as their principle weapons, just like everyone else at that time :-)

I can't think of a lot of scenarios where people actually went after a guy with a spear in Medieval times where they didn't want to kill them.And if the spear was parried to the ground, the sword blade would have lost a lot of its momentum by the time contact with the ground was made.

+DudeNumberOnePlus It would not be common but if one was to parry the spear head down and it hit the ground, one might be fast enough if the opponent was tired, to cut the haft against the ground if they wish to simply disarm the opponent instead of out right kill them.

+DudeNumberOnePlus I saw videos of a guy planting a spear pole in the ground (which provides some of the "give" you'd get from holding the pole in battle) and cutting it with a sword. The hickory pole stood up really well. It took a lot of cuts at the same place causing shearing of wood before the pole actually snapped from the blows. Given that you're unlikely to be able to hit the exact same area on the pole in a real fight, this makes the pole a lot more durable against edged weapon strikes than Hollywood gives credit for.The scenario of some strong swordsman shearing through a spear pole in one strike seems highly unlikely to have happened in real life.

+DudeNumberOnePlus good point. if spears were easy to cut they would not be very useful on the battle field. good luck cutting through a spear in a dual. I have been wondering if there is any evidence of people bringing a spear to a dual. particularly against a rapier.

+Caffy Duck Hi Melai is a comedian here in the phil and if you know her, you should cry laughing..she really cant sing but she is so funny.

+Ronn Ty ZharrYou don't say.

that is not a singing contest. it's about how they imitate icons.

i think britney's voice is hard to achieve live. mas pang recording voice si britney thats why she always lipsync kase magmumuka lang syang ewan tryng to manipulate her voice like what happened here to melai.

Tama . Kuhang kuha talaga ni melai yung galaw ni Britney. Im also Britney Fan

yes.. tama po. ang ganda nga ng performance ni melai

+Glen Betia NO BITTER PLS

+Janzene Gonzales sus ikaw ba walang expressions na inappropriate sa pandinig ng ibang taong nasa paligid mo. kung maka react ka naman.

bobo mo

expression niya yun...sus...palagi kaya niya yun sinasabi

+Glen Betia Wow nagsalita ang perpekto.. E di ikaw na ang hindi marunong magreact sa lahat ng bagay.

+Noel Janno Anino ay sauce! Stalker ka ha. Hahaha

Haha nagkataon lang talaga... Naamaze nga ako eh.... Lol

+Noel Janno Anino sinusundan mo na naman ako?

Reaction niya lang un! Tulad ng ibang tao pag nagulat eh "fuck".

On the 3rd episode when Melai finished performing I heard her say "holy shit" too.

Yup

Sinabi nya yun dahil sa joke ni Billy sa ilong ni Melai.

Yeah i heard it too...

Oo nga narnig ko din pakingan niyo lang mabuti nandoon around 3:00-3:01 napaka clear na sinabi ni Sharon iyon

+Akash Guha The bit that says "Model_sprite" in the descr_model_battle file. Just copy the data from that and make sure the faction is right (the first word in that line dictates the faction, ie. "slave" "greek_cities" etc).

The sprite?!

+Akash Guha You don't need to add new unit card (a black shirted peasant card will be the stand in) and you can just copy the sprite data from units already in the game (Descr_model_battle has all that stuff).

Your right it will look odd

So not able to add any units until now

Can seem to add units though; the last step sprites and unit cards crash my game

Thanks for the advice

I just finished reskin my greeks

+Akash Guha I've done it many times myself, so I know how to do it. If all you want is your hoplites to use their spears overarm just modify the export_unit file (the one with all their stats) and remove the phalanx ability and set their secondary attack to 0 so they will only use their spears, then go to descr_model_battle and change their skeleton to "fs_javelinman" to alter their animations. It will look odd as most of their spears will be held behind them, but it will do the job.

kinda I can send you the instructions codex

+Akash Guha I'd have to see if I still have it.Do you know the process of adding in new units?

kool if I can't find it can I ask you for your data in zip

+Akash Guha I have no clue honestly. I don't even know what mod I pulled it from, so I can't say if it is still able to be downloaded. I can really only suggest you poke around online for different Peloponnesian Wars mods and see what you can find from there. 

Do you know where I can get it cause I am trying to make a new unit for the greek_cities and I would like to make a unit that resembles your Spartan Hoplite.

+Akash Guha It is a completely new unit model I imported from some other mod long ago.