IIT Madras Part 2 - Comments on BEING DIFFERENT by Prof. Nellickappilly & Prof. Venkatakrishnan
IIT Madras invited Rajiv Malhotra for an evening to discuss his latest book BEING DIFFERENT. After his talk there were comments by two professors, one in ...
Around 2:02 : With respect, he has the translation of 'purohītaṃ' from
agni-sukta totally wrong. The word "hita" has nothing to do with
"enlightenment" neither does "puro" mean "anything/any field of activity".
Vedic priests are called "purohita"-those placed forward. "puro" means
forward. "hita" is the past participle of verbroot "hi", to impel and means
placed. Agni here is analogically called the priest - the prime medium by
which prayers are conveyed to Gods. And 'ṡloka' in RgVeda ?!!
A very good one. After listening to this please read the
lectures(Boudhhiks) rendered by Shri M. S. Golwalkar( Guruji) compiled into
a book as Bunch Of Thoughts in english and for those who knwo telugu
translated as PANCHAJANYAM. Please read it. you will be enlightened with
beautiful examples. Guruji has toured the entire country almost 64 times
that too by road or train not by air meaning he did pradxina of the
motherland so many times. A unique experience worth mentioning.
@MrKaych Hitam can be interpreted so. I'll explain. Hitam means
"beneficial". The Indian concept of beneficial is relted to the theory of
Purushartha and the highest purushartha is moksha or enlightenment. It is
in this sense I interpreted him=tam as enlightenment. in philosophy, we aso
consider the suggestive meaning apart from the etymology
@subramaniann1 Doesn't make sense to use Puranic "navadvarapuri" metaphor
to establish etymology for much earlier Vedic purohita. In vedic, puraḥ
also meant forefront eg. kṛnotu rathaṃ puraḥ. In Rgveda, cities (puraḥ)
were not considered something good eg. Indra was called puraṃdara -
destroyer of cities.
@MrKaych Hi Purohitam is a sandhi of Purah + Hitham. Purah or puram or puri
like in Hastinapur means city loosely translated for example our body is
called "navadwarapuram" city with nine exits and Hitam mean something that
does good, like (hitham and ahitham )
chetan is all worng.... IIT proffessors has higher pay scale than UGC
proffesors... If IIT proffesors wants money let them make it thru
talent...govt..does not stop IIT professors frm starting venture... Govt
does not mioro manage IIT's....as govt don't prescribed syllabus, conduct
exams or run classses for IIT.. Mind u IIT is a govt...subusidied
eduaction..if u want to do engineering at MIT or any foreign university.. u
will know the fees difference..
Chetan bhagat wht a fucking asshole person..u done b.techfrm iit then MBA
from iimb then u think u should be a writer...and now u r judging a dance
show ...
Do u knw wht is an iitian is...
Abe agar tujhe writer hi bnana tha too b.tech kiu ki fir uske baad mba bhi
aur ab judge ...
R u out of your mind....
I believe that India can progress only if educated people such as Chetan
Bhagat have a say in the system or else this country is well on it's trail
to a black hole with brainless jerks at it's helm....Come on guys,get
involved....If we are not a part of the solution then we are a part of the
problem....
@buffalo7564 IIT is no where close to an Ivy League... the students make up
the IIT talent.. in terms of professors, at best 15-30% of them are good..
the rest is acceptable..
IIT Madras invited Rajiv Malhotra for an evening to discuss his latest book BEING DIFFERENT. After his talk there were comments by two professors, one in ...
@77chotu77 And btw sitting in tamil nadu that too with the help of sanskrit
why a tamilian should create a word for Punjabi. Instead a tamilian would
share his non translatable tamil word with the world and punjabi. This is
like a christian saying jesus is the so special god, he gives huge power
even a hindu in india could also feel the power of jesus if he prays him.
This is the sort of arguement you make about sanskrit. Thats why the whole
thesis of yours is hypocricy. you accept de difference
@77chotu77 I am blaming central government because as sanskrit being the
representative of Indo-eurpean language, tamil is the oldest remain of
dravidian linguitic group. So what am asking is give equal treatment for
each linguitic group. Give budget properly for Tamil classical research
too. We need not mention about Austro-asiatic languages i.e tribal
languages which dont have separate state they need central governemnt
funding. And in state bureaucracy also thinks sanskrit special theory(cont
@77chotu77 And you guys got to understand one thing Tamil also has many
Unique dravidian root words which are unique and which are not
translatable, telugu being a dravidian language also retained some
dravidian root words in which is not seen in current tamil. Therefore while
naming the respective linguists could assist the government. Am asking for
Tribal Languages too. I am speaking this issue here because He goes on tom
toming about Sanskrit is pan Indian. Its special, This makes me argue...
@77chotu77 "There is a vast vocabulary in Sanskrit" Dude there is no
necessity i should subscribe to your pride about Sanskrit. Btw under which
authority any sanskrit pundits could make this tall claim that sanskrit is
the only best language without knowing all the world languages. or all the
Indian languages. Who gives the authority to whom. If i wanna comme in your
path i would subscribe to Mahakavi Bharathi who said Tamil is the best
language than sanskrit, since he well verse in 7 languages.
@77chotu77 I am not rejecting the sanskrit language as such but i will
reject till my death sanskrit language special theory. The moment you
create a special for pan india thats it, it is the start of my rejection. I
dont reject hindi or sanskrit as such. But their special status i bitterly
reject those ideologies. These are hardline stands. So keep spreading
sanskrit is the only special is not fait. Being different concept is good,
if keep persisting sanskrit special then it becomes hypocricy.
@77chotu77 Moreover another reason is Tamil, the oldest classical language
of India like sanskrit, for Tamil, budget allocation is 20 cr and for
Sanskrit it is 80 Cr. If this is the status of the Tamil means what about
the other languages like telugu and etc etc... You just because sanskrit is
portrayed the special, many of telugu children are reading Hindi or
sanskrit in their school from pre-kg and they start learning the mother
tongue in their mid age. They are loosing their command inTelugu
Dude u didnt repond to this act of him directly? "When a guy asks why you
keep telling only about sanskrit, he should have responded saying yeah i
agree we equally important different language tamil is also there matter
ends there. Instead he tries to say that tamil has so and so % of sanskrit
therefore nothing so different in it. This is his diluting effort." My
problem they dont wanna recognise dravidian linguist group as a exclusive
group, They wanna mask the difference. ... Thats problem
@77chotu77 You need not repeat the same stories of Mr.Rajiv again to me. I
have already got those thing from him come up with some new???? Am asking
you and Mr.Rajiv stop enchanting only one language again again all over the
world and stop creating a Pan India image for Sanskrit. Moreover sanskrit
is being imposed in each and every act of the government. Why government
needs to spend 80 crores every year for the Sanskrit university.DIS huge
spending is not done 4 other endangered tribelanguage
@77chotu77 None in India is rejecting their own culture(Dravidian Tamil or
Telugu). The fear of Tamil people Sanskrit special theory going to haunt
them and their language. Its not that only Sanskrit supporting people are
the only sole custodian of Indian culture. Tamil too has its own granary of
literatures, it has its past they too wanna stick to it. The main demon
they see for the thousands of years is Sanskrit. This war between tamil and
sanskrit ages back to thousands of years. continued-
@77chotu77 Thats your belief about your fellow patriotic indians. They hate
as much you are hating britishers for their attrocity. But after these many
years you people are coming under the disguise of patriotism is to sell
your sanskrit hegemony all over the country. Untill you people suppress
this sanskrit hegemony and arguement of Sanskrit was the pan India
language, there is not much threat to the unity of the country. Only you
people are alienating dravidians by saying india is sanskrit.
@77chotu77 Who is allowing it to perpetuate, what makes people perpetuate
this misconception??? Is it not the Sanskritized Hindi pride makes them to
perpetuate this???? Doesnt the Hinduthva Makes this to perpetuate???
Therefore for attaining economic social and cultural equality announcing
all 22 languages as the official languages of Union. This reduces the
Sanskrit special pride. So country could be united forever, without any
fear. You want coexistence but according toSanskrit Hypocricy...
@77chotu77 Why always each and every missiles or rockets governments
schemes and what not, should only named in Sanskrit root words??? Why not
those naming could be done with Dravidian or Tamil Root words or Any
aborigine Indian language words. Why always you guys name it in Sanskrit.
Is this not imposition??? Why only Devanagiri Script?? Why only Hindi is
the official language???? Why not all 22 scheduled languages are not
official. Why still Hindi national language misconception persists???
@77chotu77 Come on dude. For Central government classical language research
institute of both tamil and sanskrit there should be equality. Moreover the
allocation of funds is very partial in nature. Ok lets leave Sanskrit and
tamil What about the poor Tribal languages. Who gonna conserve them. they
wont come under 22 scheduled languages. You know how much traditional and
herbal knowledge is hidden in these languages??? Those knowledge never come
under ayurveda or sidhdha, they are unique..
@77chotu77 India is not a country. India is union of Nations. Sanskrit
never been the Pan India. If you say Sanskrit was pan India then you mean
to say only brahmans where living in this country. because had exclusivity
upon that language. they didnt allow anyone else to speak that language to
retain the power with them... Prakrit and Tamil Where dominant. You cant
show a old sanskrit epigraph without Prakrit. Tamil has oldest epigraphs in
equivalent to prakrit. The oldest tamil epigraph.
@77chotu77 Yeah Hinduism could be the sole reason but not hinduthva, thats
my problem. They are hardliners. They say Sanskrit is Special. Thats the
moot point. Why this country should have only a sanskritized language as
official language. Why not the well developed dravidian language Tamil.
Take for example Agni, in my mother tongue telugu its called Nippu, and in
Tamil Its neruppu, there are many classical tamil root word for Agni in
this sort. Why named after it or a tribal language
@bvenvi I do agree that there are differences between Hindus, Buddhist and
Jains... But not to the level they're exaggerated... None of the Hindu,
Buddhist or Jain texts asks their followers to destroy others' worshipping
places... They do not have that kind of Mandate... Yes, I saw
Dasavataram... It was done by a Chola king. But you can not compare these
incidents with the fact that these religions have been staying together for
4000 years... And Hindus and Jains much older than that
@bvenvi Indians never emphasized on written education... Education in India
has always been oral... Becoz. the religion is as such... When ppl teach
mantras the way spell them is important... Written education is something
that has started recently. So you don't really find many Sanskrit
epigraphs.. And Brahmans were not the only ones speaking Sanskrit...
Sanskrit has been used by Buddhist and Jains as well. They're not limited
to Prakrit... And Brahmins were not limited to Sanskrit.
@bvenvi To your question about his comment... So called dravidian languages
are NOT exclusive... They're different just like other languages but NOT
exclusive... The very idea that they're exclusive is a European creation...
He clearly states that... It was the Europeans who demonized Sanskrit, as
if it is something that was imposed on the South Indian states... I totally
agree with his answer... If you ask me, recognizing them as a Dravidian
linguistic group is the main problem...
@bvenvi Sanskritized Hindi is the official language of the Union... and
every state has it's own official languages... A country needs an official
language... They can't keep writing every word in all 22 languages... And
if I go as per your logic, there shouldn't be 22 languages, there should be
1000s of them... And HIndi is official language, not the National
language... And you're talking about Hindutva... Lemme tell you... Hinduism
is the only reason why India is still united...
@bvenvi If you ask me, the real problem is our education system... In our
olden days, scholars used to teach the both Sanskrit and their Mother
tongue... Today ppl are money-minded... If not, why on earth would they
learn English rather than learning their mother tongues first... And one
thing I wanna say... I agree with the fact that many ppl are learning Hindi
from early schooling... But not many people are learning Sanskrit...
Infact, very few schools teach Sanskrit nowadays...
@77chotu77 "And not accepting the uniqueness of Sanskrit and blindly
rejecting it is bad as well..." This is called imposition of your special
theory on us. I accept sanskrit is language of India, it should be
conserved, researched and developed like any other languages of india like
tamil, telugu, toda, and irula... There is no so called special for any
language. Give the equal foot space for all the languages to stand atleast
on their toes. Dont buldoze using sanskrit special.
@bvenvi First of all, this got nothing to with the book... The topic in the
book is totally different... Anyways, What's wrong with using those words
anyway... Agni, Prithvi, Aakash, are not just Sanskrit words... The
Tatbhava words of these Sanskrit words exist in all Indian languages... The
words in Telugu are Agni, Pruthvi and Aakasam... And Telugu ppl do no't
have any problem with that.. It is written in Devanagari becoz.
Sanskritized Hindi is the official language of India
@bvenvi Frankly speaking, if you create a word in Tamil Nadu... A guy in
Punjab can understand it... Provided both of them know Sanskrit... This is
exactly the reason why Sanskrit is called a Pan Indian language... There is
a vast vocabulary in Sanskrit becoz, of this reason... And it belongs to
all regions becoz. no one knows in which region the words originated...
They originated from all over India... It's a like an Open source code...
And that's reason why it is special...
@77chotu77 "But they didn't oppose Sanskrit texts" ----- This is conformly
fairy tale. Tamils opposed sanskrit more than Prakrit. May be after bhakti
movement some tamil kings got opiumed by religion and slowly sansrit
brahmins predated tamil pride. Tamil has more prakrit loan words than
sanskrit, Even telugu too have more Prakrit than Sanskrit. The best example
for tamil sanskrit brahmin fight is already explainde to you, is well
screened in dasavatharam movie too...
@77chotu77 "Indians never emphasized on written education... " If you say i
have to ask you Which indian do you mean??? Dravidian Indian or tribal
Indian or Aryan Indian?? So please dont generalise and jump to tall claims
Indians where doing so and so. Tamil kings had uniques tradion. Especially
sangam Literature Tamils. Many budhdhists where not well verse only in
Sanskrit they where good in Prakrit and other languages too. Many Epigraphs
are in Prakrit and Tamil.
@bvenvi Just for your info... My mother tongue is also Telugu... Anyways, I
will tell you how Sanskrit is special... Every letter in Sanskrit, has a
meaning, Words in Sanskrit are formed based on the idea... You can know the
meaning of a Sanskrit word just by looking at the letters of the word...
For example, in Ayurveda just by reading the word, you can understand all
its medicinal properties... And you can create new words depending on the
situation.. Contd...
@bvenvi He is not diluting any differences... He is just rejecting the
misconceptions... There're differences, there're misconceptions... The
number one misconception is the Aryan-Dravidian divide... And he clearly
rejects it I also reject it... If you ask me, that is the reason for all
the problems in India today... Anyways, I don't think this discussion is
going anywhere... I just feel sad to see Indians rejecting their own
culture and hating their past...
@bvenvi He didn't emphasize becoz. his aim is to show common things between
India and West... And most of the book is about Samskriti... Not
Samskrutam... And his main aim is to show this Samskriti... And this book
deals a lot with religious differences... Infact, the book is about
comparing Dharmic Traditions with Judeo-Christian traditions... And there
is emphasis on Sanskrit becoz. the core Hindu thought and many Buddhist and
Jain works are in Sanskrit...
@bvenvi Did you even see the whole video properly??? He later clearly tells
that he is against diluting differences... He is saying are Indians have
similarities which are exclusive to them, to their culture, to their
religions, which are absent in West... The whole purpose of him writing
this book is to show those common differences between India and the West...
His aim is to show the common points in Indian culture which are exclusive
to Indians alone...
@77chotu77 And in state bureaucracy also thinks sanskrit special theory is
predominant hence they disrespect the tribal languages. For that matter not
even a proper plan yet been made to conserve them. Central government
policies being partial towards sanskrit is not healthy for the country. To
maintain unity central governemnt cant escape answering these questions.
You know how much planned imposition of hindi happens in central government
institutions???
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