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+Rebecca Davis there aren't enough long term high fat eaters out there. Even though I made my previous comment, I still believe the overall more sickly looking group of people are the long term high animal product eaters than the long term vegans. The problem I tend to see with vegans is their lack of muscle, not so much they're bellies (which is the case with paleo/atkins types).

+DoctorJohnJGibbons my views have evolved since I posted those comments. To answer your question, I believe the human body can handle high carbs as long as you don't also eat a lot of fats, and vice versa. It's when you a lot of both, esp the more processed types, that you see people gain massive weight and have diseases. That said, I will always seek to inflict the least pain and premature death on sentient animals as possible. So far, I'm fully vegan and have zero need to turn to eating slaughtered animals. Yes, I said as of now... not sure what the future holds. 

+geposefo Ornish looks like death warmed up. He wears a toupee too.

+DoctorJohnJGibbons Ornish looks like death warmed up. He wears a toupee too.

+aattitude What about the high fat vegans who are bone skinny? You know, the ones who enjoy tons of coconut oil, avocados and cashews but are still very slim? Is there a divide between the low-fatters and the more normal vegans?

+geposefo Actually, Ornish has quite the belly. Very skinny-fat, plus he's also much more pale and sickly looking than Taubes. Must be all the artery clogging bread and "natural" sugars from fruit.

+aattitude Harm minimization

+geposefo The goal is always to reduce and minimize. Perfection is not possible. The goal should be to minimize the harm of animals and people, and I consider veganism as the best option for that. 

+aattitude contemporary agriculture is responsible for the suffering and death of many animals.

+geposefo I'm a vegan for both. I think it rocks that the healthiest diet in the world also inflicts the least harm to animals. 

+aattitude I used to be a vegan for ethical reasons. Now I'm a vegan for health reasons.

+geposefo Dr. Atkins, Dr. Cordain, and Sally Fallon are three major figures in the low carb, high fat diet movements, and they're all fat. I can't even think of one true vegan who's fat. Dr. McDougall, Dr. Bernard, Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. Campbell, etc. and all other pro vegan diet proponents are slim even in old age. Says A LOT.

+aattitude That's what I thought

+allamakee1397 Most low carb, high protein & fat proponents end up fat.

+geposefo You think he's fat? Obviously wishful thinking on your part! Why do you want and need to believe he's fat when it's obvious to everyone else that he's slim?

+geposefo    Why don't  you enlighten us?  Why do you think? Please explain

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