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Open Carry Incident Auburn Alabama Part I

Me Open Carrying legally in Wal-Mart, as I have done many times before. This audio comes from my iphone. Here is Part II: ...

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Wal Mart follows State Laws MMMKAY. These officers are jackasses MMMKAY. They got A call from the offduty sheriff in the parkinglot MMMKAY. These officers obviously were not taught about 13A-11-52 or 13A-11-73 MMMKAY. There is no sometimes when it comes to having a right and having that right infringed MMMKAY. Concealed Carry Permits ALLOW concealment and carrying in a car. MMMKAY. It DOES NOT limit you to concealing and car carrying. MMMKAY. Carrying Concealed is more dangerous to the public.
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After listening to the cops tell the person open carrying his firearm that it is legal to do so, then asking him " Don't you think this would cause alarm?", makes me ask the question instead of chastising a person that is in compliance with the law, why not educate the person that called them in the first place and inform them of said law as a service to the public. Bullying a law abiding citizen in order to allay fear, instead of upholding the constitution, only undermines the constitution.
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Private property owners can prohibit firearms. SB286 was signed into law and goes into effect next week: Section 6. (a) A person who owns or controls property that is open to the public may restrict or prohibit as trespassers those who possess or carry a pistol, including those persons with a license issued or recognized under 10 Section 13A-11-75, Code of Alabama 1975, while on the property provided that notice of the prohibition is prominently posted at any public entrance to the property.
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so why do so many people argue about this. What I heard if it causes a problem/alarm/concern or what ever of any sort...a business can ask you to leave.Am I wrong? I'm all for our rights and carrying (I'm in MI) although I don't understand open carry. guns are made for killing. The majority of the population, I believe, is uncomfortable with such items because of that. Anyway, I couldn't hear. All these videos about this issue shows confrontation & like smart-talking back to officers/others
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Is Auburn PD proud of these idiots that pass for officers? Hiring standards need to be implemented to weed out the idiots. Federal lawsuits are filed for 4 A violations like this all the time. Your not being detained and your not under arrest! What? Is this Auburn PD's version of not being detained? The Cheif of police must be proud of these officers. I see more training in their future. They should be charged with coersion under color of law for trying to make the manager trespass an LAC.
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The LEOs are tools...did zero good to talk with them...I highly suggest that you find a lawyer and partner with him to sue that crap out of the city for violating your rights... This is obvious harassment when they have to go find the Wal-mart manager and intimidate him to ask you to leave. The obviously detained and searched you illegally and this type of poor LEO behavior will continue to happen if citizens do not leverage the courts to change it. Check out open carry.org for case law...
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I feel safer with citizens having guns than cops, at least the citizens do not act like complete assholes everytime you speak to them. Ever ask one of these asshole's (Cops) how to get somewhere? They act like you have no right to even be on this planet with them, much less the human right to talk to them. There all Spoiled ass people that think there above everyone else. I don't like them, I don't want them around me, and can see no use for them. "Let a man protect you and he OWN'S you."
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Here is some advice.... When these redneck idiots started telling you shit like "You think your smart ... Shut your mouth dont tell me the law" .... That is your que to no longer engage them in conversation and claim your right to remain silent.... If they arrest you then SUE THEM FOR FALSE ARREST.... The longer you talk the worse it gets for you.... they are just trying to get you to incriminate yourself.... They have NOTHING... NO SIGNS WERE POSTED... YOUR IN A LEGAL OC STATE.. EOS.
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An important clarification. Your right to carry a firearm ENDS at the boundary of any private property right owner who says it does. Period. Wal-Mart has no national policy on carrying of firearms into stores. They can and do allow it in most places. In others, customers have been asked not to bring guns into stores in the future if other customers complained. I know of one store that briefly had a local "No firearms" policy, but later rescinded it.
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If he wasn't being detained and he wasn't being arrested then he was illegal held against his will possibly a good argument for kidnapping, assaulted and deprived of his property which is theft the moment the gun leaves his hands unwillfully, so much this man has to work with including harrasment & profiling, this is a attorneys/lawyers idea of a wet dream with all the victoria secrets calendar girls, if he/she was to get their hands on this case.
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Only a ass would reply " Walmarts policy is that firearms are not allowed on their property " when they dont even know what Wal-marts policy is? Walmart follows state laws and if there is a sign posted on their front door with a picture of a gun with a circle around it with a line through it, then it isnt allowed. I have never been to a Wal-mart with that sign on any of the doors. So get your facts straight before they exit your fingers.
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Wall-mart needs to request him to leave first than it would be considered trespassing. You cant just call the police and have the police threaten him with disorderly conduct. When I open carry and someone calls the police I ask if they requested me to leave first. If the police say that the person requested me to leave than I walk away and say that I am not committing any crime because I am not trespassing after leaving upon request.
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This guy doesn't know how to handle cops very well. He allowed them to bully him and illegally seize his property, all while not being detained according to the contradictory cop. BTW, Walmart allows open carry in states where it's legal. This could have gone much smoother had the guy known how to protect himself. If it still goes bad, 2 bully cops lose their jobs and you win a nice lawsuit against the city.
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Stood his ground?... you mean trespass? If a store manager/owner asks you to leave the property you MUST leave. Its their right to kick you out and in most states they dont even need a reason to. As someone with a CCW, I don't shop in stores that state no firearms for 2 reasons - 1. By law I have to follow their wishes on their property. 2 I wont spend my money at a place that doesn't allow legal firearms.
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This is nearly a copy and paste of St. John v. McColley, et al., where the city was sued for unlawfully seizing someone's firearm. A Federal judge rules police cannot detain people for openly carrying guns and he was awarded $21,000 as a result. Here is a quote from the judge "Leave open carriers alone unless you have "reason to believe that a crime [is] afoot." You may want to look into this brother.
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@jacobew2000 Correct, but until someone from cooperate contacts him and either relieves him of his position or orders him to rescinded his initial claim that the customer must conceal or leave - his initial requests stand. My only point is that a written policy can not override a managers verbal requests, it can however result in him being fired, which he should have been.
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I shure hope this guy got him a attorney and went to the auburn police dept. and brought this matter up to there chief and mayor cause I think there confused as to what open carry really means. hmm ok they even state your not breaking any laws or being detained then proceed to tell him he is being interview which is clearly being detained. these cops are confused.
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Now here is the ultimate catch 22. You can legaly open carry, but an off duty officer recommended comiting a FELONY? ( to save harasment?). I.E. only law abideing citizens follow the law yet the criminal could care less about a phrase in a book. So should you risk the headache and open cary or the Felony and cover it up? I fight with it every day in N.C.
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@1775novten Its simple, just have to call the walmart customer support line and say that he is not following state law, which is the truth. Walmart Corp will override what that manager does, and either he/she will change their tune, or there will be a new comanager becoming the manager... Ive seen it happen before.
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@gunitup234 That is just a scare tactic that police like to use and it is a lie. "The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489. KKK and Blank Panther marches cause alarm, but they are still legal. This man just had his rights violated.
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Seems to me the cops are the ones wasting everyone's time here. The guy didn't stop them, they stopped him. If they have so much important stuff to do they should do it instead of performing a stop for a legal activity. Maybe they should stop fat people wearing Yoga pants as it makes me uncomfortable.
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they only need a sign because people who carry guns around in public for no particular reason are idiots. Its Walmart's property, they decide who comes in, and with what. They can refuse you service for whatever reason they see fit, without putting up a sign.
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Hes saying ur not breaking a law and need to get out like seriously you say in begining im not breaking a law and he fucking says you arent AND needs you to leave and you cant under stand a shit hes saying you could have shown him it idiot ass hole
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More cops who operate outside the law. The officer should be disciplined for telling him to to shut up. Also they had zero cause for a warrant check. He could have refused it and asked if he was being detained and they would have had to let him go.
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This has my blood boiling! Takes me back to a few of my first encounters with police here in Missouri. Disrespect, duress, and threats If you have the means to. Check out my cahnnel for some of my OC encounters. Same treatment on some of them.
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the end about the ak-47crazy, yeah if a person walk into a store with a ak-47 even with it over their shoulder i would freak out to, even due it more or less leagle, i dont see nothing wrong with a hostler pistol, unless they get it out
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So if you weren't breaking any laws how was it disorderly conduct. I would've just kept ignoring them and if they laid a hand on me there would've been a scrap right there in Wal*Mart because that would've made me feel threatened.

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+lousy carpetman That wasn't me. I was wearing a white Reggie White jersey.
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Great game... for anyone watching that wasn't a Packers fan. Congrats to the Seahawks.
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CHOKE lol thanks Brandon Bostic
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