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+NRUN65 Ok time for a reply. Yes still a mystery after all these years. Parts of the official story make sense and part are obviously either a blatant cover up or serious incompetence. Probably a bit of both. If would have been great to have a seriously competent commission with unlimited powers and total transparency but politics never work that way unfortunately.As far as the suspension of the laws of physics I think this is a bit misleading.  You basically have to believe in the controlled demolition theories to support that position. Forensic analysis of building failure is quite complex and I'm not willing to accept the CD argument quite yet. Bldg 7 is obviously an unusual and amazing example of a catastrophic failure and my views are that it has not been properly explained by the NIST analysis. I'm waiting for the U of Alaska study on the failure modes before I make further judgement. The early announcement of the collapse and the symmetrical and complete nature of the failure are certainly suspicious.I do believe that  flights 77 and 11 were  actual flights, I've taken that flight 11 before! I also think the existence of morphing technology doesn't prove it was used or even the fact that psycops has discussed it That is a dangerous road to go down, just not enough evidence. I have watched that pilots for truth video and while it explains a possibility of a conspiracy it leaves so many more unanswered questions it is hard to swallow completely. I think if planes were landed on some military or commercial based that day we would have heard a peep of it by now.For now my money is on a conspiracy carried out by Bin Laden, perhaps with other foreign collusion and some serious covering up, posturing and propaganda starting shortly thereafter to protect the US people who may have or could have prevented it.  Was Israel involved? I kind of doubt it, there is always a trail leading to Israel no matter what happens in the world, there are Jewish people in too many positions of power, to broad a target.My best hope is that some serious and credible evidence comes out like more Pentagon videos and that the U of Alaska study proves an understandable mode of failure for Bldg. 7.  Alternatively, if credible evidence comes out supporting a conspiracy I'm ok with that too. The worst case is where everything stands now, too many conflicting theories which create too many more unanswered questions and too many mysterious conspirators, all of which has created some seriously angry and emotional lunatics and it has been a largely polarizing issue when we really need more unity among Americans. 

+NRUN65 Hey thanks for checking that out! I will digest what you have written and respond more when I get a bit more time. 

+TheNaturalust Ah!...I love a mystery...and 9/11 is a dusey! But an even greater mystery would be if the “Official” story should be found to be true…..because in that event the laws of Physics which govern our planet would have had to have been suspended on 9/11….and, so then the greatest mystery?….Who or what could have accomplished that?Your link provided interesting info on attempting to debunk the “Pilots for 9/ Truth” information about the ACARS messages sent to Flight 175 as much as 20 minutes “after” it was supposed to have struck the South Tower. However, when I tried the source links at the bottom of booNyzarC's quite long and highly detailed blog post (on Unexplained-Mysteries.com) to check for myself I discovered that only two of the seven links were active. The first active link “5AWA 898 Printout of ARINC Messages.pdf - FOIA logs shared by Warren Stutt” (who is known to go to great lengths to “prove” the Official 9/11 storyline correct) is 211 pages comprising content such as:FLoc=261230585AJPSBcnt=276 ULBUK S=31 D=21 BEPts=20010911 11:30:07UL MsgLen=235 Stn=BOSB3 StnDelivType2Tail= .N334AA Fid=AA0011<SOH>2.N334AA040D<STX>FLT 0011 BOS- <CR><LF>STA PRES ALT FLT/DTEAIRPL DTE/TIME<CR><LF>BOS -90 0011/11 334 11/1129Z<CR><LF><CR><LF>**767/767ER CF6 -80A ENGINE**<CR><LF><CR><LF>TEMP PTOW ATOW ZFW FUEL <CR><LF>18C 294,1 297.1 218.5 76.4<CR><LF> This pdf file offers nothing to indicate that it contains official information or originated from an official source, so I have to view it with a high degree of skepticism (//pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21858). Adding to my skepticism is the fact that while it supposedly provides information for Flights 11, 93, and 77, Flight 175 is not accounted for. Also, the fact that the pdf file contains information for Flight 11 and Flight 77 makes me extremely suspicious because the Bureau ofTransportation Statistics (BTS) showed, up until some time in late 2003 or 2004, that those flights were not even scheduled to fly on 9/11. After 2004 the Bureau of Transportation Statistics web pages were altered (//www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm “Evidence that Flights AA11 and AA77 Did Not Exist on September 11, 2001”) - I personally saw the pre-altered Bureau web pages prior to the change. If the BTS was accurately recording departure flights then where did the aircraft “claimed” to be Flights 11 and 77 originate? Is Warren Stutt's information fabricated, or recorded from fake Flight 11 and 77 aircraft? In the serendipity link above I only agree with the BTS records and not with the blogger's speculation at the bottom of the page.The only other active link is Rob Balsamo's original ACARS article (//pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.html) which provides the ACARS information that booNyzarC and Warren Stutt take exception to. I don't know what qualifications these two people have with regard to the matters they involve themselves but I would prefer to place my trust in professional opinions which at least do not fly in the face of the laws of physics – in this case thePilots for 9/11 Truth movement (//pilotsfor911truth.org/credandexper.html).I'm sure that the ATC were not involved in any hanky-panky, but just responding to multiple terrorist drills turned real – much as the London 7/7 terrorist drills turned real. But there may be a chance that voice "morphing" might have played a part in some phone calls or other audio (//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm - "When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing).With regard to your comment: “I'm not sure the flight was ever 'lost' or that additional unidentified planes ever showed up on radar it you support the theory that planes were somehow swapped midair”, I can onlyrefer you to this video for what it's worth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Laaq44SDgg.

+NRUN65 This ACARS message stuff is indeed very interesting, a quick search seems to uncover some debunking that was done on this assertion. I haven't analyzed it but I hope you will and might report back to us to see if it appears to have achieved a debunk or not. Thanks.I also think the transponder information and the radar information coupled with the air traffic controllers conversations concerning this flight (and others in the area) might shed some light on the situation. I'm not sure the flight was ever "lost" or that additional unidentified planes ever showed up on radar it you support the theory that planes were somehow swapped midair. I just have a hard time believing all the air traffic controllers were in on it and wouldn't have picked up some funny business. //www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=3114&showentry=24415

+TheNaturalust I agree. The asymmetrical disturbance at the right wing root is the only aspect of the crash that puzzles me. That, and the ACARS message that the "real" Flight 175 was still airborne 20 minutes "after" it was supposed to have struck the South Tower. You mentioned: " Also as a second plane they would have had to know so many cameras would be trained on the building, why would they risk a positive identification of a missile pod."There were indeed many cameras trained on the buildings, but I have the feeling those responsible could feel confident that the enormity and shock of the event would aid in any official debunking of what people think they saw or video evidence recorded. The aircraft claimed to be Flight 175 approached from over the water where evidently no cameras recorded the event and those few that did record the event appear to show "some thing" under the right wing root which corresponds with the "right side only" disturbance (other than those caused by the engines) during penetration. But, even with this video evidence, the debunking has succeeded in causing doubt in the minds of many people who simply cannot imagine the magnitude of preparation required to pull-off such a complicated attack which would by necessity require involvement by the highest level of authority (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUquZrZBddA).Another potential problem is that apparently the "real" Flight 175 was recorded as still being airborne 20 minutes after it was supposed to have struck the South Tower.The last ACARS message sent to aircraft United N612UA (Flight 175) , and confirmed "received" by N612UA, was 20 minutes after Flight 175 was said to have crashed, and was routed through the Pittsburgh remote ground station. What, then, crashed into the South Tower of the WTC?//pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.htmlThis message was sent on Sept 11, at 1323Z (9:23AM Eastern, 20 minutes after the time of the crash) to United Flight 175, tail number N612UA, routed through the PIT remote ground station (Pittsburgh International Airport):DDLXCXA CHIAK CH158R.CHIAKUA DA 111323/EDCMDAN N612UA/GL PIT- QUCHIYRUA 1UA175 BOSLAX- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -/BEWARE ANY COCKPIT INTROUSION: TWO AIRCAFT IN NY . HIT TRADE CNTER BUILDS...CHIDD ED BALLINGER;09111323 108575 0574So....."if" the real Flight 175 didn't crash into the South Tower on 9/11..........???Strange....very strange indeed!! For our generation this may be the greatest mystery and "who-done-it" to contemplate because it happened right under our noses.

+NRUN65 I watched again. I still think its just too hard to predict the results of a plane smashing into a building at that speed including what was in the building where it hit to make any conclusions about this. Especially any smoking gun conclusions. It clearly isn't a rocket being fired as they always produce a bigger back stream of propulsion exhaust and the timing is too exact with the majority of the nose already in the building. Lots of energy being transferred there. And what would be the purpose of a rocket? They were already smashing a jet at 500+ mph into the building. Just some freaky transient explosion caught by the cameras. Also as a second plane they would have had to know so many cameras would be trained on the building, why would they risk a positive identification of a missile pod. Plenty of other unanswered questions that day to spend too much energy thinking about this one, imo.  But thanks for your opinion, perhaps you are right, who knows. 

+TheNaturalust It's the fact that there is no corresponding disturbance caused by the left wing root when that portion of the aircraft penetrates the WTC tower that is most suspicious to me. Normal protrusions on the aircraft, such as landing gear fairings, are symmetrical, so one would expect that there would be symmetrical disturbances at the wing roots upon penetration as there are when the engines penetrate the building (at 2:56 in the video). This non-symmetrical damage is what forces many to the conclusion that an external foreign object was attached to the undercarriage. The vapor appearing above the right wing root which occurs simultaneously with the flash just as the nose penetrates the building adds to the suspicion (at 3:27 in the video).

+NRUN65 No, I wasn't saying you thought I believed in the governments "Official" story. So if that's how my post came off sounding, my apology's. As for doing my research, since I live in the valley, TV reception is shot, unless I decide to pay these cable giants money for a digital box, in which they can kiss my ass. So that said, I don't follow mainstream media, because IMO they'll only tell ya, what the government tells them to say. And since I do live in the valley, I don't watch TV due to no reception. So that said, I do allot of reading in books & research on the internet. For my TV I watch my dvds or movies on youtube, along with documentary's N such. As for the government & this whole 9/11 B.S. like I always tell people, I never claimed I was the brightest bulb in the pack. In fact, its just the opposite, because I'm just a dumb ol country boy redneck, but DO NOT insult my intelligence by lying, because when you do, you lose any & all credibility you ever had with me. And lets face it, based on just that small sampling of proof from my last post, the government LIES. My whole point to this farce known as 9/11 is, now that its done been not only proven but DOCUMENTED that this government led our soldiers into a war based on an incident that never happened in the first place, (The Gulf Of Tonkin incident) that killed over 50,000 soldiers, if a government would lie to kill our own military, what makes people think they wouldn't lie about 9/11? And remember people, like it or not, cos I really don't give a damn, the Gulf Of Tonkin incident not only HAPPENED, but it was all based on a lie & its DOCUMENTED. And that lie, had the government not of lied in the first place, damn sure's hell wouldn't of killed over 50,000 U.S. Soldiers & countless innocent Vietnamese. Like I always say, 9/11 was the biggest damn FARCE since my cooking. And that's a real farce, cos I cant cook worth a damn.But government spent LESS money to investigate 9/11, a attack that killed 3,000 innocent people, but yet they spent MORE money to investigate President Clinton doing the "Wild Thing" with that skank Monica Lewinski that killed NO ONE! And the government waited well over a full YEAR AFTER the attack, before doing an investigation & even then, it took the "Jersey Girls" to get the ball rolling on that. And this is the kind of government that blind sheep want to believe told em the truth about that days events? Are you serious? Are you kidding? Like I said, I may not be the brightest bulb in the pack, but DO NOT insult my intelligence by lying. And like it or not people, government LIES. And the documents will even say as much.

+defiantone You have certainly done your research - on more than just the attack of 9/11. And, no, I wasn't implying that you believed the government's story about 9/11. Much has been said about the "flashes" when the aircraft struck the buildings - especially the "gargantuan" flash at Flight 11's impact - but I was just saying that the one thing that stands out to me is that disturbance made as the right wing root penetrates the tower. The lack of a corresponding disturbance on the left side of the aircraft forces the conclusion that there was "some thing" extra attached on the right side.Governments are made up of people, not saints, and they come from the political, social, and economic environment of the time in which these people live. Looking back at history I often marvel at periods when many people united to do good as when America's Founding Fathers created this nation......and other times when many people united for purely evil purposes such as those which initially led to WWII. I'm always viewing events with a degree of skepticism - looking at possible ulterior motives. The "attacks" of 9/11, in light of the grand plans of the "Project for the New American Century" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfecdtQXSPk) certainly warrant the highest degree of skepticism.

+NRUN65 Well don't think for 1 minute, that I believe the governments version of that days events, cos I don't. Not saying you said I do, I just wanted to be clear on that. Like I said in my initial post, I read that in a book somewhere, but later I saw a video on youtube from actual pilots that fly the same planes that were flown on 9/11 & they said what was on the belly of the plane, shouldn't of been there in the first place. And I'd take their word over what was said in a book, seeing how they fly those kinds of planes for a living & know em inside & out. My cousin is a pilot & owns several of his own planes, but he don't comment on 9/11 or at least not on youtube about it. He keeps to himself, more less. But what we got from the government was nothing but a conspiracy theory, anyway.They contend, that 19 Muslims armed with box cutters, defeated our Multi Billion Dollar Air Defense System, hijacking 4 planes & crashing 3 of the 4 into there desired targets while a 4th plane crashed in a field in PA all while conspiring with a bearded man in a cave halfway around the world with a cellphone & a laptop. Like it or not, that's the conspiracy theory the government laid down for people. We're also are to believe by our government, that 2 planes hit 2 buildings but yet, 3 buildings collapsed. That alone, defies the laws of physics. Plus we're led to believe by our government, that a flimsy piece of plastic (One of the I.D. Cards from one of the terrorist) survived the attack & was found in the rubble, but yet the black boxes which are deemed nearly indestructible did NOT survive the attack. Well, that's the governments conspiracy theory. And as we all know, the government would never lie to us now would they? So let us see.Its now been proved they lied about there knowledge on the attack on Pearl Harbor.They lied about Roswell. Was it a UFO or a weather balloon, do the dumb sumbitches even know yet?They lied about the Gulf Of Tonkin incident that killed over 50,000 U.S. soldiers & countless Vietnamese.They lied about the JFK assassination.They lied about Watergate.They lied about WMD's in Iraq.They lied about the death of that soldier Pat Tillman.They lied about the rescue of Jessica Lynch.And this is just a FEW of there lies. And the Gulf Of Tonkin incident is IMPORTANT because that incident alone which was based on a LIE & its DOCUMENTED eventually led to the deaths of over 50,000 of our own people. Granted they were U.S. Soldiers, they were STILL our own people. And they were all killed based on a lie from an incident that is now been proved, NEVER HAPPENED. Now if a government is so low that it would send over 50,000 of its own people to their deaths, & keep in mind, based on a LIE, what makes people today think that same government would blink twice, by killing a poultry 3,000 innocent civilians? The U.S. is the number 1 arms dealer in the world & the government always profits over wars, so its in short, war is nothing but a racket. And the government PROFITS off of wars. And before anyone thinks the government wouldn't pull this shit, they had best do some research, because they already did. "Operation Northwoods" was a terrorist attack "Staged" by several branches by our OWN government, such as the CIA & they brought this plan to JFK. The plan was for our own government to "Stage" "Fake" terrorist attacks on U.S. soil in Miami & even Washington & blame it on Cuba so the government could get U.S. backing by its people as an excuse to go to war & attack Cuba so the U.S. could overthrow Fidel Castro. Luckily JFK said no to the plan. And people can piss, bitch, & moan all they want, cuz I really don't give a damn, cuz like it or not, its ALL DOCUMENTED & that's the PROOF. And they already DID stage a fake attack. "Operation Gladio" And that DID kill some innocent people & its DOCUMENTED.So don't think (not you, I mean those who still have on there tinfoil hats) for one minute, that a "Fake 9/11" would be out of the norm for this government. Hell, based on there track record alone, its right up their alley.But what would one expect from a government who,Has a CIA Assassination Manuel on how to kill people.Who, infected over 200 innocent people with syphilis ON PURPOSE so they could see if penicillin would work.Who, "Staged" "Fake" terrorist attacks on U.S. Soil.Who, tested its OWN WEAPONS on its OWN MILITARY & saying if they don't allow for this to happen, they risk going to jail.And this is ALL DOCUMENTED & the DOCUMENTS are free & in the public domain for all to read & come to there own conclusions. And there's not a single conspiracy theory in a single one of them because its ALL DOCUMENTED. So don't think for one minute, that after all this proof to what levels this government has stooped to in the past, they wouldn't be so low as to be behind 9/11 And even if they weren't, they certainly had knowledge of it, & they let it happen anyway. Either that, or we had the most inept government in Washington at the time. And for those who wanna flap the choppers that someone would've "talked" not if the government threatened to kill you & your family they wouldn't. Firemen from 9/11 were even threatened to not only lose there jobs but also there pensions should they talk about there experience while at ground zero. And its easy for us to say, "I would still say something." Of course we would. But did it ever occur to anyone, that maybe these firemen have family's to support. And I highly doubt, there gonna risk losing it all, (including there lives) if they ever chose to talk. So before anyone starts with the yap about my post, or say its full of holes or conspiracy's, you best do some research then, because unlike the government I don't lie. And NOW we have DOCUMENTED PROOF on allot of the governments lies. To me, their nothing but a bunch of Jackass's dressed in suites. But people can believe what that want. But as for the governments conspiracy theory of 9/11 if it DOESN'T make SENSE, than its NOT TRUE. And there conspiracy theory DOESN'T make SENSE! And lastly, the beauty about the truth is, its the only thing you'll ever have to remember. The government should try it sometime.

+defiantone I've heard that claim, too. But the problem with the "pod" being the normal landing gear housing is that there is no corresponding disturbance made by the left wing root when penetrating the WTC tower such as is made by the right wing root (2:56 in the video). If it was the landing gear housing there should be a corresponding disturbance under both wing root junctions. The engines and "some thing" under the right wing root make distinctive disturbances upon penetration which has led to the conclusion that something was attached on the aircraft which did not belong there.

+Ken Berg The evidence is irrefutable that the US government is guilty of mass murder.

+Ken Berg Your hypothesis may very well be correct....or not....you have as good a chance as any, but "crazy" is like beauty...it's in the eye of the beholder. Until the truth is finally revealed it's difficult to say what is crazy. Much of the speculation about elements of the 9/11 attacks that now seem crazy may eventually fit nicely into place. Everyone has an opinion and until we know for sure, one person's crazy is about as good as the crazy of anyone else - some do push "crazy" a wee-bit too far, though.To believe that three young Arab hijacker pilots, with no experience in jetliners, and who were considered to be incompetent to barely adequate pilots of small private planes each flew their jetliner with military precision into their respective targets at high speed in descending banked turns, each hitting his target dead center on the very first try is "crazy." To think that those young Arab hijacker pilots with no experience in the complex cockpits of their jetliners could fly those unfamiliar aircraft for an extended period of time and successfully evade and out navigate the combined air defenses in the most protected airspace in the Nation, is "crazy."To believe that, as NIST claims, "fires fueled by office furnishings" melted the huge steel support beams into the rivers of flowing steel and ironl that firefighters are on record as seeing and those same "office fires" caused the temperatures in the oxygen starved environment deep beneath the rubble to stay in the thousands-of-degrees F range for eight weeks after the collapses - actually fusing pulverized concrete and molten steel into a giant "meteorite"...now that's "crazy."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh1UbnhfKT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qCLM4Oz9pATo think that in a matter of hours, three high rise steel-framed buildings collapsed at virtually free-fall speed - each floor encountering absolutely no resistance from the tons of structural steel below it which was specifically designed to be much stronger than necessary so as to prevent such a collapse - now...that's "crazy."To think that Building 7 - one of those buildings just mentioned and not hit by any planes - suffered a total free-fall collapse just seven hours after burning with a few scattered fires, when Building 6 which was "between" Building 7 and WTC 1 only partially collapsed and had to be finally "pulled" (demolished) - now, that's "crazy."But the flashes seen when the planes hit the buildings are interesting - especially with what was claimed to be Flight 11 because of the immensity of the flash which appears much larger than the diameter of the fuselage. If the "hijacker" scenario is false - these guys couldn't fly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zxJa-BbM4 - and we take the impossible free-fall collapses and the impossible office fires melting steel beams claims into consideration, then if these things are false the door is opened to alternate scenarios - alternate crazy ideas. In this case the flashes may be indicative of an incendiary device being installed in order to get better penetration because the Twin Towers were constructed using large steel beams less than two feet apart in the outer walls for added structural support to complement the gigantic central core steel columns. That's why the designers claimed that a Boeing 707 hitting WTC 1 or 2 would be expected to do little damage - in fact they thought that the Twin Towers could survive multiple such strikes. Of more interest is the infamous "pod" that is seen under the right wing-root of what is claimed to have been Flight 175 (although ACARS reported the real Flight 175 - tail number N612UA - as being still airborne over Pittsburgh twenty minutes after it was supposed to have crashed into the South Tower [//pilotsfor911truth.org/ACARS-CONFIRMED-911-AIRCRAFT-AIRBORNE-LONG-AFTER-CRASH.html].This "pod" makes its own particular disturbance when it penetrates the building along with the two engines, but there is no corresponding penetration disturbance where the left wing-root crashes into the building. So. it seems that it was an external protrusion without a matching protrusion on the left side. In other words, it wasn't a "commercial" jetliner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX0e_AplhWwWere the planes just an excuse to control demolish the buildings to begin implementing the game plan of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)?

+tigerone1970 PS, David Rockefeller is now Honorary Chairman of the CFR, I don't know if he was still chairman in 2001, when this was shot. Also, get this - David and Nelson Rockefeller... built the Twin Towers and the World Trade Center. They were their buildings. //www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/newyork-rockefeller/

Well put, but Larry's too smart and too honest to run for office. Voters are more attracted to assholes like Huckabee or Santorum or slick talking liars like Obama.