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+Paul Strauss LMAO ! They have also claimed they saw BIGFOOT, SWAMP MONSTERS, SPACE ALIENS, AND OF COURSE ELVIS ! AND AS USUAL WITH ALL PAUL'S TALK AND EXCUSES ! BY NO SURPRISE ! THE REAL OBAMA ANYTHING IS NEVER EVER SEEN EVER ! LMAO ! WHAT A SURPRISE !

+ford5522 said: "people have claimed to have seen them.>'Answer: As noted, witnesses have to be credible. And, as noted, these were four officials of Hawaii, three of whom were Republican including the former Republican governor, a strong supporter of Sarah Palin. And, as I also noted, there is a FIFTH witness, Savannah Gutherie, who not only stated that she had seen the long form birth certificate and felt the seal on it, but photographed it and posted the jpb image of that photo-----which was slightly different and of slightly better quality than the PDF version posted by the White House, hence it is proof.In addition to the five witnesses, one with physical proof, there is also the physical proof of the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the 1961 Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii, and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.As noted, witnesses do not have to show proof. There testimony is the proof, so long as they are credible, and FOUR officials of Hawaii including the former Republican governor (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) have stated that they sent the short form and long form Hawaii birth certificates to Obama. But that is not all. There is a FIFTH witness, and she DOES have and has shown physical proof, and that physical proof is the photograph that Savannah Gutherie posted of the long form birth certificate. And the jpg image that she took is slightly different and of somewhat better quality than the PDF image that the White House put online. In short, she showed physical evidence of having seen Obama's long form birth certificate. In addition, there is the physical proof of the Index Data file and the birth notices of Obama's birth sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (to which only the DOH could send birth notices) and stored on two microfilm rolls both of which are in two different libraries.Moreover, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at thetime due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.IN CONTRAST, to all the proof of Obama's birth place, Donald Trump has REFUSED to show his long form birth certificate, and no officials at all have confirmed that they sent a short form birth certificate to him. And Jeb Bush, Rubio, Carson,Fiorina, Christy,and Hillary and Bernie Sanders have not shown their birth certificates at all. Neither did George W. Bush or his father or Bill Clinton or Reagan or previous presidents. Why doesn't poor ford5522 worry about Trump's place of birth and Jeb's place of birth and HIllary's? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that the four officials in Hawaii of both parties are lying AND the Index Data and the birth notices on microfilm rolls in two libraries are forged? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that Obama's mother had a passport AND traveled to a foreign country when she was in her last few months of pregnancy AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying AND the Index Data AND the birth notices on microfilm rolls are forged? Answer: Because ford5522's imaginary friends Billy Bob and Emmy Sue told poor ford5522 that Obama was born in some foreign country,. and poor gullible ford5522 believes them. Oh, and the same "Billy Bob" and "Emmy Sue" told poor gullible ford5522 not to worry about Trump's place of birth or Ben Carson's place of birth, or even Ted Cruz's place of birth-----------now, what do you suppose the motive for that was?

+Paul Strauss LMAO ! OH ! Then you think Bigfoot, Swamp Monsters , Space Aliens, The Easter Bunny, ARE ALL REAL ! LMAO ! Because more people have claimed to have seen them then Obama's anything ! LMAO ! HOW OLD ARE YOU ? YOU SURE ARE GULLIBLE ! HEY ! LOOK THERE GOES ELVIS ! LMAO !

+ford5522 Witnesses do not have to have physical proof of having seen something. Their testimony IS the proof, so long as they are credible witnesses, and FOUR officials of Hawaii including the former Republican governor (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) have stated that they sent the short form and long form Hawaii birth certificates to Obama. In addition, there is a FIFTH witness, and she DOES have physical proof, and that physical proof is the photograph that Savannah Gutherie posted of the long form birth certificate.In addition, there is the physical proof of the Index Data file and the birth notices of Obama's birth sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (to which only the DOH could send birth notices) and stored on two microfilm rolls both of which are in two different libraries.Moreover, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.IN CONTRAST, to all the proof of Obama's birth place, Donald Trump has REFUSED to show his long form birth certificate, and no officials at all have confirmed that they sent a short form birth certificate to him. And Jeb Bush, Rubio, Carson,Fiorina, Christy,and Hillary and Bernie Sanders have not shown their birth certificates at all. Neither did George W. Bush or his father or Bill Clinton or Reagan or previous presidents. Why doesn't poor ford5522 worry about Trump's place of birth and Jeb's place of birth and HIllary's? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that the four officials in Hawaii of both parties are lying AND the Index Data and the birth notices on microfilm rolls in two libraries are forged? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that Obama's mother had a passport AND traveled to a foreign country when she was in her last few months of pregnancy AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying AND the Index Data AND the birth notices on microfilm rolls are forged? Answer: Because Billy Bob and Emmy Sue told poor ford5522 that Obama was born in some foreign country,. and poor gullible ford5522 believes them. Oh, and the same Billy Bob and Emmy Sue told poor gullible ford5522 not to worry about Trump's place of birth or Ben Carson's place of birth, or even Ted Cruz's place of birth----now, what do you suppose the motive for that was?

+Paul Strauss LMAO ! YOU ARE AN IDIOT ! THESE ARE NOT FACT IDIOT ! THESE ARE IDIOTS MAKING CLAIMS WITH ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING ! SORRY YOU WERE DUMB ENOUGH TO SWALLOW THIS BULLSHIT ! OH ! AND QUOTING OBAMA CONSPIRACY ORG IS LIKE WEARING A BRIGHT YELLOW T SHIRT THAT PROCLAIMS YOU ARE AN IDIOT ! HOME OF ! WE CAN NEVER EVER SHOW THE REAL ANYTHING EVER ! OR ! WE JUST MAKE SHIT UP AND STUFF ! MIGHT BE TIME FOR YOU TO TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF OBAMA'S ASS ! MAYBE A LITTLE SOAP AND WATER TO CLEAN THAT SHIT FROM YOUR EYES AND EARS ! OR JUST REMAIN YOU A SHIT EATER ! LMAO FOREVER !

+YouAreOneOfUs asked: "Your facts?"Answer. Glad you mentioned facts.Here is the Kenyan Embassy statement that Obama WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA: //washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged … Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot): //www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-... Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a strong supporterof Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital: //voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0... Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley: //web.archive.org/web/20110722055908///... Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: //whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi... (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.) Here is the Index Data file: //www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04...Meanwhile, poor loony ford5522 claims that the above facts "are only real. in his head." No, ford5522, they are perfectly real, and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Huckabee and Santorum and Gingrich all believe them. And Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul voted to confirm Obama's election TWICE. In addition to the above confirmations, there isn't even a hint of evidence that Obama's mother even had a PASSPORT in 1961 and it would be highly unusual for an 18-year-old to have one in those days, and it would be even more unusual, EXTREMELY unusual, for a woman to travel abroad in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet, for Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii would have had to have lied AND the Index Data file and the 1961 birth notices from the DOH of Hawaii on two microfilm rolls both of which are stored in two different libraries would have had to have been forged. LAMO!

+YouAreOneOfUs LMAO ! STRAUSS'S FACTS ARE ONLY REAL IN HIS HEAD ! AND YES WHILE HE IS FULL OF SHIT ! HE DOES HAVE QUITE THE IMAGINATION ! AND HE IS FUNNY ! PERSONALLY I NEVER GET TIRED IF HIM MAKING AN ASS OF HIMSELF ! THINK OF HIM AS OUR RESIDENT RETARD ! HE TALKS A LOT BUT NEVER MAKES ANY SENSE !

+Paul Strauss Your "facts"? lolz. D Lue Zion Al

+YouAreOneOfUs RATIONAL people who would like to see the facts will see them above.

+Paul Strauss I saw my own words (proving you get paid by the letter and are lazy) and then I saw "Read more (69 lines) and I didn't click it to read it. lol , so delusional.

+YouAreOneOfUs said: "Rational people don't see "facts" because someone declares that words they choose to point to are reality."This really happened:https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=864&q=obama+inauguration&oq=obama+inauguration&gs_l=img.3..0l10.4519.7407.0.7847.18.8.0.10.10.0.82.609.8.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.18.662.5f1fGmctwlw........and the reason that it really happened and that John McCain and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Gingrich and Santorum and Huckabee did not protest is that Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US Citizen. And the same goes for Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck.Here are some of the facts that confirm that Obama really was born in Hawaii.Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot): //www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-... Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a strong supporterof Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital (which, BTW, really did exist at that time and really did have exactly the same name as on Obama's long form birth certificate):  //voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0... Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley: //web.archive.org/web/20110722055908///... Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: //whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi... (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.) Here is the Index Data file: //www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04...

+ford5522 said "notice Paul Strauss can't find just one person...."Answer: Bu in fact I already showed the people who saw it and the one of them who had proof of seeing it (Savannah Gutherie):Witnesses do not have to have physical proof of having seen something. Their testimony IS the proof so long as they are credible witnesses, and FOUR officials of Hawaii including the former Republican governor (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) have stated that they sent the short form and long form Hawaii birth certificates to Obama. In addition, there is a FIFTH witness, and she DOES have physical proof, and that physical proof is the photograph that Savannah Gutherie posted of the long form birth certificate.In addition, there is the physical proof of the Index Data file and the birth notices of Obama's birth sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (to which only the DOH could send birth notices) and stored on two microfilm rolls both of which are in two different libraries.Moreover, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at thetime due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.IN CONTRAST, to all the proof of Obama's birth place, Donald Trump has REFUSED to show his long form birth certificate, and no officials at all have confirmed that they sent a short form birth certificate to him. And Jeb Bush, Rubio, Carson,Fiorina, Christy,and Hillary and Bernie Sanders have not shown their birth certificates at all. Neither did George W. Bush or his father or Bill Clinton or Reagan or previous presidents. Why doesn't poor ford5522 worry about Trump's place of birth and Jeb's place of birth and HIllary's? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that the four officials in Hawaii of both parties are lying AND the Index Data and the birth notices on microfilm rolls in two libraries are forged? Why does poor ford5522 think that there is a chance that Obama's mother had a passport AND traveled to a foreign country when she was in her last few months of pregnancy AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying AND so is the Index Data AND so is the birth notices on microfilm rolls are forged? Answer: Because Billy Bob and Emmy Sue told poor ford5522 that Obama was born in some foreign country,. and poor gullible ford5522 believes them. Oh, and the same Billy Bob and Emmy Sue told poor gullible ford5522 not to worry about Trump's place of birth or Ben Carson's place of birth, or even Ted Cruz's place of birth----now, what do you suppose the motive for that was?

+Paul Strauss Exactly, And Rational people don't see "facts" because someone declares that words they choose to point to are reality. You imagine something is one way so you can't see reality. Good slave. You will be the last to be gassed. Lead the others into the gas chamber ,then remove and dispose of the bodies , good slave.

+YouAreOneOfUs I'm not paid. Are you paid? Well, if you were, and if I were and in fact if we both were, it would not change a single fact.RATIONAL people who would like to see the facts will see them above.

+Paul Strauss Paid by the letter again I see. I stopped reading after your first word and proclamation "Fact". lol , your delusional.

+YouAreOneOfUs Fact:https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=864&q=obama+inauguration&oq=obama+inau&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.2531.4445.0.7154.10.8.0.1.1.0.200.650.2j2j1.5.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..4.6.650.yekbxWU5xSc.....and the reason that above happened and John McCain and Mitt Romney and the Republican Party and Gingrich and Santorum and Huckabee and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck did not protest is that the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.Obama really was born in Hawaii as shown by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii). Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?)And there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII. And, BTW, the Kenyan government has said that it checked and Obama certainly was not born in Kenya (which birther sites did not show their readers either.)Oh, and BTW, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul voted to confirm Obama's election TWICE----as did all the other members of the US Congress, and in the seven years since Obama became president not one member of Congress has called for an investigation of Obama's place of birth.And, guess what, nobody has provided proof that they saw the real Donald Trump birth certificate, nor that of Mitt Romney. And John McCain and George W. Bush and previous presidents did not show their birth certificates at all. In contrast, Obama showed both his short form (the official BC) and his long form Hawaii birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent it to him and that all the facts on the published copies are exactly the same as on what they sent. Perhaps a few nuts may not believe the four officials (including the former Republican governor). But RATIONAL people will find them credible-----which, duh, is the main reason that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and the Republican Party all agree that Obama was really born in Hawaii and hence really is a Natural Born US citizen.But that is not all. In addition to the four witnesses who state that they sent the Hawaii birth certificate and that the facts on the copies are the same as on what they sent, there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).AND, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother had a PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at that time.And it was extremely rare for a woman in the last few months of pregnancy to travel abroad in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths.Yet, BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened, and the officials of BOTH parties would have had to have lied and the Index Data and DOH birth notices on two microfilm rolls in two different libraries would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in Hawaii.

+Paul Strauss Liar. I have said countless times you make a proclamation or give a link to a know "lie" or "virus" and you call it a fact. Only you are delusional enough to believe you.

+Paul Strauss LMAO ! NOTICE PAUL STRAUSS CAN'T FIND JUST ONE PERSON ON THE PLANET . WITH PROOF THEY EVER SAW THE REAL OBAMA ANYTHING ! NOW I WONDER WHY NOT ? LMAO !

+Paul Strauss LMAO ! THAT IS EASY ! YOU HAVE ZERO FACTS ! NOT ONE THING ANYBODY HAS PROOF OF EVER EVEN SEEING ! NOT ONE ! SOMEBODY TOLD YOU A BULLSHIT FACT-LESS STORY . AND AS DUMB AS YOU ARE SWALLOWED THE WHOLE THING WITH ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING . EVER ! I THINK HE IS BUSY LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF AT HOW INCREDIBLY STUPID AND GULLIBLE YOU AND YOUR LOON PLATOON ARE ! LMAO !

+YouAreOneOfUs Notice that YouAreOneOfUS does not respond to the facts shown above. (Now, I wonder why not??)

+Paul Strauss I agree. Rational people know you are either delusional or a shill and they see that you make proclamations and declare they are facts. You are hilarious ,keep the laughs coming.

+YouAreOneOfUs RATIONAL people who want to see the facts will see them above. Other facts: //www.britannica.com/biography/Barack-Obama

+YouAreOneOfUs LMAO ! You need to take into consideration just how gullible the loon is ! He really hasn't seen a thing . And still thinks it is all real ! Like Bigfoot , Space Aliens , Swamp Monsters, The Easter Bunny , And his proof of anything is always the same ! WELL BILLY BOB AND EMMY SUE SAID SO ! LMAO ! If found send Paul Strauss back to his rubber room before he pees on the floor ! LMAO !

+Paul Strauss Notice how the Shill makes a comment and declares that they are facts and now declares that wiki is facts ,something any user can alter. Just how delusional is he?

+YouAreOneOfUs Notice that YouAreOneOfUS has not responded to one single fact show above. Not one. (Now, I wonder why not???)For those who are eager to see more facts, here is a brief summary:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

+Paul Strauss What does Trump have to do with the price of tea in China? You  make statements and declare them as facts when I can make up any statement and then plant proof that somebody's mother had a passport to Venus in 1961 and I am not even out of Langley like Obummers friends. Just how dense do you think people are? Well apparently extremely dense. You are on a "Birther" site and they didn't ban you ,so clearly they are in on the Obummer deception and they are giving the masses that are awake a fake narrative just as bad as yours to keep them docile. You are a traitor.

+YouAreOneOfUs Donald Trump has REFUSED to show his long form birth certificate (now I wonder why), and there isn't any proof that his alleged short form birth certificate is real. The officials in New York certainly have not confirmed that they sent it to him or that the facts on the image on line are correct (both of which the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii did for Obama).And, there isn't even proof that Obama's mother had a PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year olds did at that time.And, it was extremely rare for a woman in the last few months of pregnancy to travel abroad in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths.Yet, BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened, and the officials of BOTH parties would have had to have lied and the Index Data and DOH birth notices on two microfilm rolls in two different libraries would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in Hawaii.It is the birthers who cannot prove that Obama was born in a foreign country, and it is the birthers who cannot prove that the birth certificate of Donald Trump is real, and it is the birthers who accept the fact that Ben Carson and Carley Fiorina and Jeb Bush and Rubio and Huckabee (and Hillary and Bernie Sanders) have not shown their birth certificates at all). Yet for some reason poor ford5522 does not believe that the birth certificate sent to Obama by the state of Hawaii and repeatedly confirmed by officials of that state and by the Index Data and the birth notices on microfilm is real.

+YouAreOneOfUs LMAO ! WOW ! WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THE SAME OPINION OF RAN TALBOTT ?

+Ran Talbott Of course you do ,it just shows how delusional and desperate you are.

+Ran Talbott lol provide proof lol ok Moron.

+Ran Talbott`If you don't hack people why are you sending them to websites that run script that hack you for visiting the site? You are a liar. You give "fake" information and claim it is real and in fact if people go to confirm it are no open to be hacked. You should be arrested. 

+Ran Talbott Getting paid! Because you are a fail troll. How many people have you hacked because they went to your "infected" links? 

+Ran Talbott and when I thought you couldn't be more apparent as a delusional troll you top yourself. nobody can deny the reality of the cover up of information that you say would not matter. No amount of brain damage can explain the idiocy of your stance at every level. Thanks for being blatant and so vigorously posting showing that Obama fears the truth being brought out into the light.

+Ran Talbott Thanks for admitting that Obama is a lair. You could not give me 1 Campaign promise that he kept so he is in fact  !00% liar ,so clearly we should believe everything else he tells us. Like after the fact he is Born in America and that his Father was not American. Oh wait that's correct and by the letter of the law AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH that means he was not a "Natural Born Citizen" and therefore is NOT ELIGABLE to be President. Feel free to Strawman and type meaningless words to distract from the simple fact that Obama is a liar.

+Ran Talbott Complete fallacy. You say things and proclaim them as truth as all failed debunkers do. You have once again exposed yourself as knowing what you are doing and being complicit in the cover up.

+Ran Talbott You admit Obama is withholding :evidence" , Thank You.

+Ran Talbott You assume so much and your reference to court is hilarious since anytime something is taken to court to prove Obama's criminality it is not allowed to be entered in as evidence or is ignored because of side stepping technicalities. You assume I fell for an Internet hoax. The Hoax is to make something a Hoax after the fact. You lost on every level of that argument, You have proven you are complicit and I will make sure when Obama finally goes to jail you will be jailed also.

+Ran Talbott Burden of proof is on "'us" when the person in office committing the crimes is covering up the evidence. Ya ,that makes sense.

+Paul Strauss So Obama is the kind of man whos actions are controlled by what others do or didn't do? And that justifies his actions? So if we find ANY President that has EVER released his school records then Obama is exposed as a Hypocrite? Interesting. And why do you reprint over and over your view that information proves Obama was born in Hawaii? I don't care it still doesn't make his fake BC he posted online anymore real and it doesn't make him Constitutionally eligible to run as President. Yet you keep reprinting it OVER and OVER again like people will be distracted like when they watch a Magician. That's not how reality works. Well maybe for sheeple like yourself but not people that have spent hundreds of hours researching for themselves. No matter what you imagine a Xerox machine can do to a "copy" will not explain how Language on the BC is wrong. Dates are Wrong. The Numbers are Wrong. That the Background is inconsistent and not only shows but proves that it has been manipulated. I followed this when it first happened. I downloaded the BC the first day it was put online. I personally examined it step by step and personally pulled every layer out of it and examined each one. You have not or you would admit that it is not plausible that the "copy" is genuine which only leaves that Human manipulation is shown which implies Fraud. I have a video where a guy takes all questions concerning the BC. He takes you step by step through it so you can personally verify everything he is doing. He proves 100% that it is a Fraud and takes 100% of all questions and proves that he did not make a mistake or miss anything in his analysis. He dealt with every single question no matter how foolish it seemed. He 100% beat back all "debunkers". I have never seen a topic be so thoroughly proven on youtube. He did not leave any room for Imagination ,only evidence and the evidence proves the BC is Manipulated and Fake.

+Ran Talbott And your evidence he didn't is? Read all the post in this thread before your ignorance is exposed. Or present Obama's school records because nothing else printed proves anything except you will believe what you are told to believe.

+Paul Strauss Nothing you claim is provable so you are once again just promoting propaganda. A sort of year round April fools joke because everything you just stated is an opinion because it has all been disputed and has no evidence to support what you said.  Obama could release his school records and he could let the press physically see his BC but he won't and you don't present that at "evidence" so clearly you are ignoring the reality of the situation which in turn makes ant statement you make "tainted" and biased.

+Paul Strauss So you admit you can't prove any claims about his schooling so you are just parroting propaganda ,interesting.

+YouAreOneOfUs Re: "Since you get paid for every letter you type..."Answer: I don't get paid a cent. But if you did and I did and we BOTH did, it would still not change the fact that Obama really was born in Hawaii.Obama really was born in Hawaii as shown by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii). Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?) And there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely thingswould have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have beenborn in a foreign country and not in HAWAII. And, BTW, the Kenyan government has said that it checked and Obama certainly was not born in Kenya (which birther sites did not show their readers either.)

+YouAreOneOfUs Re: "presenting us with Obama's school records."Obama has not published his school records or college records because neither did Mitt Romney or John McCain or previous presidential candidates and presidents.

+Paul Strauss Since you get paid for every letter you type I will give you the chance to type more. Look at Obama's campaign promises and tell me how many he has kept. You can also give me a number and tell me how many he didn't keep ,if you want to type and be paid more. Now the hook is , How many broken campaign promises make you a liar , in your opinion? A liar of the Magnitude that Obummer is would never falsify his social security number or Birth Certificate would he? I never thought I would dislike a President more than Bush or see one be more of a Criminal , but Obama did it. War is Peace ,just like Orwell said. Obama got a Peace prize so clearly he has never Murdered anyone right? He being an "Expert" on the Constitution ,clearly he has never went against it right? You can straw man and fish all day and it won't change the reality that Obama and Bush are the most Criminal and worst Presidents America has had to date. The sheer amount of Criminal acts they personally committed and ignored while being in Office is staggering. But in your delusional mind your god obummer can do no wrong but feel to bury your head up his rear some more and pledge his honesty to us , we will "listen" . lol.

+Paul Strauss You do realize the power of the "April Fools joke" don't you. It's like court ,if you are foolish enough to respond to it then question can now be asked and presented as evidence. Since you set the precedent and engaged it I can now ask you to Prove it's not true by presenting us with Obama's school records. Failure to do so makes you look very foolish. That's the power of that "April fools joke" and you are now the fool. Give a Moron enough rope and he will always hang himself. You truly think people are ignorant don't you.

+Paul Strauss Back to being paid by the letter. You are truly insane. Words words words you type are "real" words anyone else type are lies. I think therem is a clinical name for that , Wackadoodle?

+Paul Strauss So expert. You tell me what Obamas real social security number is.

+YouAreOneOfUs The CLAIM that Obama got Federal tax money for being a foreign exchange student is a dumb myth, and so is the story that he even was a foreign exchange student. Both of them come from AN APRIL FOOL'S article (do you normally believe April Fool''s articles?) The fact is that Obama was not a foreign exchange student. He was not even foreign. He was born in Hawaii---and the evidence for that is overwhelming. He got perfectly normal federal US government student loans, which BTW are available only to US citizens---NOT foreigners.Obama really was born in Hawaii as shown by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii). Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?)And there isn't even proof that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII. And, BTW, the Kenyan government has said that it checked and Obama certainly was not born in Kenya (which birther sites did not show their readers either.)BTW, the notion that Obama was a foreign exchange student is MOTIVATED by the same desire that caused birther sites to lie and say that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya----when she really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews. That is the same motive behind birther claims that "Obama became an Indonesian citizen"-----when a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he never was. Those are the same motives behind the constant "his birth certificate is forged because of the layers in the PDF file" story (when layers are NORMAL in scanned pdf documents, particularly complex ones).

+Paul Strauss You can't refer to things that were "created" after the fact and then call them "Facts" ,those are lies created to cover up the reality of real Facts. You say because of what Politicians did or didn't do proves your "facts". That's the most delusional statement I have ever seen presented as a "Fact". The FACT is Obama got Federal money for being a Foreign exchange student ,so the fact is he has committed fraud and is a liar at the most base level. Fact you refuse to acknowledge or accept any "Fact" that is presented and you just verbally dismiss it or give a link to a bogus site. You are literally so insane you need to be committed now and I publicly declare that you are either insane or Complicit in the Obamas crimes and cover up of crimes. Either way you need to be incarcerated.

+YouAreOneOfUs If you are referring to me, I'm not paid. The facts show OVERWHELMING that Obama was born in HAWAII. That, duh, is why Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Gingrich and Santorum and the Republican Party did not protest Obama's being sworn in as president.

+Jack Ruby Suburb of Indianapolis. Deals with Colts players..hahah

+inkey2 Yeah and don't forget the cotton candy...lol Socialcody is right though.. Nice cop :-}}

1 in a million. And he is in the middle of nowhere, probably deals entirely with fat people having heart problems at the local fair.

+youandiryan He said that they have a car with a mounted APR unit

+efficiencyHD Which is exactly why us British people don't wake up to news of cops shooting people every morning. I feel blessed our country doesn't have any guns, and hope it stays that way. I wouldn't be able to handle living in a country with gung ho crazy cops =/As much as I like America, I don't think I could handle living there.

yeah ik

+efficiencyHD all the cops have the similiar set up here in Canada. They all carry an assault rifle, shotgun, pistol and a tazer. BUT, also some have even more then this cop. We dont have to type in licence plates anymore. There are four special cameras in each car, front,back, and both sides. And they have a thing called Auto-plate recognition. They can run your plate just by driving past you, even if your oncoming at highway speeds. the system can scan hundreds of plates a minute, and when there is an alert on a driver, it will be audible.

that's because of the gun control in the UK

Some have tazers and evos and off but there still good at there job they do work hard

Lol are high schools in Indiana are filled with drugs.

+BFD15i In Finland it's really rare to see a cop with an assault rifle. Most of them just carry pistols.

+240pixelIt may depend on the country, but in Germany I never saw police geared up like that. Ok, I did once a year on May 1st in Berlin, but that's always kind of a special operation. :) The standard patrolling officers carry their handguns and maybe a shotgun but that's rare already.

+BFD15i I am from Europe and police here are armed to the teeth.

+KMT15 You know, living in or coming from europe, to see a cop with a handgun, a shotgun AND an assault rifle might be a little bit strange. Our cops usually have a handgun and that's it. That kind of firepower is only used by special police-divisions and the military over here.

You meant... filthy dirty american paki bastard didn't you, oh sorry, you seem to be american, we'll let you off the complicated stuff.

You completely misunderstand him and his origin.  NOT BRITISH - American.  He visited and fell in love with the Himalayas, where he stayed until he ended his life. 

Most Americans feel justified collecting Social Security, because most paid into it for their entire working life, paying the benefits of others.The U.S, government has no money of its own. The only money it has, must be taken from the people as taxes. If the man collects Social Security, The man is just taking back his own money, which was political promise made by the government that he would be able to do so in his old age. Social security taxes constitute an unsecured loan to the government, based only on good faith. Should the government not honor its promises to pay back the loan, and give back what was taken? Why should the governemtn benefit by keeping the man's money, just because he renouced his citizenship? He made the loan to the government. It is his money, which they promised to repay.Truth be told, the U.S. government owes every American hundreds of thousands of dollars, and most will never receive but a fraction of that, if anything. They are nothing but gangsters, con men, liars and thieves.

+Forensource That's right. About 2 out of every 50,000 people.

Out of 300 million folks, that ain't much.

+ჯონ ლლოიდ The State Department estimates 5986 renunciants and 559 relinquishers during FY2015.~Federalregister.gov

Patty, but since we don't use lightening, he is a fucking looneytunes.

David do you have a source for that number? Because that is nearly half again as many people who renounce during any given year. 

+Forensource It is not suspect if you then use lightning.  So your argument is flawed. 

One of those points he was making was that law is enforced because of convenience or profit ONLY, and that arrest would prove thuggish or profitable, and non-arrest would prove non-validity of the law. But defending his position, just stating it.

In the US, most local cops don't care about your immigration status-unless you are arrested for some crime.At my local Home Depot 50 or more Latinos wait for work every day.   When the local police chief was asked about it, he said "they don't cause us any problems, why should we hassle them?"So this guy went to the local cops and they said there were not interested in his problem.  Doesn't mean much of anything...

their original state of record... I assume...

"Not exactly, stateless people tend to be locked up until they can deported."Deported to where? :)

Not only was he not locked up, but the police in Delhi told him they wouldn't arrest hi, stating that they agreed with his standpoint that unless citizenship is voluntary, it really can't be any more valid than if you grab someone who's standing in your yard and tell them you now own them, because "property. "  THAT was his standpoint, an dI was present for that meeting.  I was the journalist filming the event.  He was also told by the governor of Himachal Pradesh that he could simply live out his life peacefully in the Himalayas, if only he'd not make such a fuss, but that she'd not officially declare him stateless because it would cause a lot of trouble [for her] .  This was unacceptable to him, considering that his goal WAS to create a fuss, in order to draw attention to his cause against world violence and involuntary taxation without a say as to how his tax was spent.  He called it "economic slavery." In the end, he stood for peace, freedom, principals of libertarianism and voluntarianism. He ended is own life by immolation in the Himalayas. I was there for his symbolic, (yes, I understand it was not effective, I'm not an idiot), renunciation of state, for his nearly 2,000 mile walk from central India into the Himalayas, and for his confrontation with the governor of Himachal, where he asked for political asylum and a government statement declaring him stateless.  This isn't completely crazy.  Even people like Albert Einstein verbally declared the same, while US Law allows for the issuance of a "Certificate of Loss of Nationality" without declaring another nationality first.  last year alone, more than 3000 people became stateless renunciates from the U.S.

Not in his case, and not in a free society.

Not exactly, stateless people tend to be locked up until they can deported.

Not if he doesn't want to be, and it doesn't look like he wants any part of it.

yes and if after his pagentry he walked into a us embassy and asked for a new passport, it would be granted to him because he is still a us citizen.

It's his paper to do with as he sees fit.

Exactly, it would be like burning a hundred dollar bill in front of a bank, then declaring to the mailman that you are not bound by any currency.I have looked up some of the things he stood for, so he does have some admirable qualities.  But his paper immolation is pointless

+David McClave He can declare himself stateless but the US considers him a citizen until a formal renunciation/relinquishment of citizenship is presented at an embassy or the state department.  Tearing up a passport has nothing to do with the formal proceedings and the US won't stop you. From India's point of view, he committed no crime. He is free to sit in India for the duration of his visa. Thats why they told him he is a free man. The police's refusal to issue a document stating such is telling as to his real immigration status. 

Nope, he would be just another idiot.

Sounds like the country he's in now has more credibility in calling itself a "Free Country" than America does.If he did the same thing in America, he'd probably get arrested, physically violated by the police, hit with some illegal fine of $5,000, and some other bullshit paperwork "crime" !!

It seems to me that if there is a God (DNA complexity implies there is) then the systems we create are a reflexion of Godlessness. To try to renounce the punishment for being Godless without honoring God, is hypocrisy, imo. It is not surprising to me that he committed suicide, since he opened himself up to demonic attack in this way. There is a documentary on the many Christian revivals in recent years around the world and how easily evil can be defeated:youtube: Transformations 1

+David McClave So let's say instead that his techniques are suspect.  It is like my tearing up my utility bill and shout that I am now only going to use lightning.

OK. Now THAT, Forensource, as a response, is awesome, and I'm going to steal it for crazies I run into in my work.  Haha!  I DON'T agree with most of Knaebel's ideas,  but one I do agree with is that one MUST act on what they say they believe, or must live with the knowledge that hypocrisy is the rule of the day. 

That's nice.  I am sure you are a pleasant person.  Good luck in your future plans.  We regret that you are no longer compatible with reality.Thanks again.

Well, Statelessness is a valid status, and many very sane, intelligent people have claimed World Citizenship in the past. (PLEASE forgive my incorrect terminology; the correct term is "World Citizenship," which IS a valid concept, at the very least).   As an example, Albert Einstein, who was very "grown up," to use your words, claimed this status, and stated that "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."  World Citizenship has been promoted by Garry Davis, who lived for 60 years as a citizen of no nation, only the world.  OBVIOUSLY, most governments don't accept this viewpoint, but THAT was exactly Mr., Knaebel's assertion.  And I don't have to agree with his entire doctrine to know that he was dedicated, intelligent, and committed to doing good in the world.  One thing to note: the Indian police refused to arrest him, and stated VERY clearly that he was a "man without papers, free to move about on his own."  On many occasions, the government officials he confronted said that all he needed to do to succeed in his mission was to live a quiet life.  In the end, however, agreement with your personal beliefs, creed, or upbringing doesn't make someone sane.  I'm curious what you did to "research" his status as a "nut." 

SOMEONE's a bit defensive. I wonder why so angry? This man was an extremely intelligent, VERY well-educated engineer who made what he considered to be a moral, ethical decision. His idea was that the mere exertion of force, (i.e., "we have the guns, therefore WE determine the law"), doesn't constitute valid law to begin with. He sought "International Citizenship," which IS a valid status. Barring the completion of that, he declared himself "stateless," a position he considered to be equally valid to any declaration by thugs who would claim power only by virtue of brute force.

+Tony Hamilton The guy is a nut.  I have researched t.   So according to the nut, he is not a citizen of anyplace that he doesn't want to be.   But since he is his own state, why does he need something from the police to say he is stateless?You can destroy your passport, it doesn't affect your citizenship in any way.   So go fuck yourself.

Do some research before you call anybody a nut

great job , take away law abiding citizens means of self protection, so their own NOPD can rape the women.

us of aint