It's a negative word even when it's not used as a homophobic slur, but hey, as long as people don't start referring to the lgbt+ community the "queer" community, I'm fine with it.
+Jαε “Daddy” queer is being slowly retaken by the lgbt+ community, it's not necessarily homophobic any longer but I can understand your point, but some people also use queer in their identities so keep that in mind as well.
+CloseToNormal She didn't really. She did say that she thinks they have an illness, but she also said she fully supports anyone who identifies as the other gender and wants to get a sex change. Misinformed, maybe, but definitely not transphobic.
Give AwesomeRants some time and she will come to identify as an egalitarian
because she's not sounding too far gone. She sounds like me last year and I
came to my senses through time. Janet Bloomfield is a little off base in a
few things, but overall she has some great points.
+Kamyl Cole the opposite apparently happened not long after this debate she took a tun for the big red and declared the debate problematic because it made the other side seem reasonable , needless to say the peasents were not happy
I mean, that feminist was very very meek almost as if she knew her ideas
were wrong and not accepted by all the people there. Like in the discussion
on consent she was giving way to the literal facial expression of the MRA.
+Izzrules I feel like Tori may have been intimidated by Janet due to lack of experience debating with sort of mean-spirited opponents. Janet sort of rubbed me the wrong way, with her patronizing facial expressions and insults, which really weren't necessary since her arguments were already conveyed with enough zeal
you have no conception of world peace if you want usa to be so deadly in
terms of military power. you have no conception of leftist peace. you're
incredibly ignorant.
bernie must win the election.
I love your channel- but you can't be serious if you think the USA NEEDS to
Police the world.......If the world Needs anything, it's for the US to NOT
stick it's nose into other countries' matters. And if the world Needs
anything it's some Kind of Balance and that doesn't happen with one
superpower. I think you're interpretating what Trump wants in a really
wrong way.
+Nobody Mister I don't think she meant it as in literally police the world with US military in other countries making sure they obey, but to act as a presence in the world market that keeps things peaceful due to the threat they represent if countries get unruly. Sort of like how the threat of mutual destruction with WMD's keep the peace.EDIT:I believe she is implying that the US is losing that strength as a superpower in opposition to Russia and China and this cannot be allowed to happen.
Islam is a totalitarian ideology. Their so-called prophet tells them to lie
to infidels in order to make the whole world Islamic aka The Religion of
Peace will rule planet Earth. Not going to happen.
The thing is Janet that the possibility of a gender-less draft would be the
result of passing the ERA in the 1980's but you want to know who defeated
it, traditionalist women like yourself.
Why? Because they like you wanted to preserve your privilege, and not fight
in wars.
I personally think that the draft should be thrown out, and serving in war
should be a choice of the individual.
War falling on the heels of men of course would benefit you, that's why
you're advocating it, it's not your limbs that are going to be torn off,
it's not you who's going to be shot it.
No it's men, and that's why traditionalism to me is as toxic to men as
feminism.
But according to her research all candidates want to go to war, she just doesn't want to see men killed over it which Trump is the only one who seems to want to avoid sending men over there.War is a foregone conclusion, and you're right she will benefit from it, but her being a Trump supporter does not make this so because they all want to go to war anyways.Better to fight a war that we don't have to send soldiers than one where we do no?
I don't see how she benefits from a war that men don't go off to fight but ok, your opinion. As for your claims about Trump, they are in direct opposition to the researched viewpoint portrayed in the video so unless you can cite evidence your claim in invalid.
+Mike Schonewolf Uhm, did you even listen to her video? All the candidates want to attack Syria, the difference is, Trump DOES NOT want to send soldiers over there while the other candidates do. Trump wants to bomb their oil so ISIS can't make money and then let them sort their own shit out.In other words, she wants you to vote Trump so men don't have to go over there and die, where voting for the other people will have men be sent to die.
Janet brought up one the issues I've had with some feminsts. Which are the
ones who usually just want to replace one gender stereotype with another,
and can state that one gender is superior to the other in every way (I
believe they aren't the majority of feminists). Yes, Janet can seem like a
right bitch sometimes, but it seems like she's using that as a way to get
people's attention, shock and awe the people. She did bring up some points
most people overlook, yes women can be evil (to more than just other
women), and are not always the victim, they can be the perpetrator. I'm
actually impressed that someone brought up the fact that men basically have
no reproductive rights, short of getting a vasectomy. That's just my 2
cents though.
Yes, she did bring up some good points, though I don't think her hostility was a strategy. It seems much more likely that it is just her honest reaction to what she believes is absolutely stupid. It's similar to reactions I used to have when I was younger and couldn't channel my energy as well.
Woah. One of the first thing which comes out of Janet's mouth and she gives
me the impression she's pretty stuck-up. You said she was acting very
hostile early on and I thought the feminist was actually talking when you
were. But yeah she was aggressive. In regards to what Janet assumed about
nonbinary identities, I've talked with quite a few other nonbinary people
and most of them really aren't nasty, or attention seekers or "special
snowflakes". The fact is gender isn't so black and white. I'm assuming she
just rejected an idea based on the idea that it was probably some feminist
tool. (I have seen a stupid rant on it once before, there are feminist
posers who want to claim they are nonbinary. There are many nonbinary
individuals who aren't aggressive/activist feminists)
I didn't find their debate on non-binary identities material to the debate. I'm not entirely sure what Janet was trying to accomplish by debating the definition. She actually seems to object to the term on the basis that she honestly does not believe there are more than two genders - the two sexes. Thank you for your insight. :) Would love to hear your other thoughts!Hopefully you were able to stomach the beginning and give Janet a chance to redeem herself.
Ok, so I've made it all the way through and I will say that I do appreciate
your overall levelheadedness towards these issues. You were curious about a
few things and I wanted to try to shed some light on them as best as I
could. I should note at the outset that I don't identify as an MRA. I do
identify as an egalitarian and also an anti-feminist (though in the last
couple days I have been questioning this position)
"Why are MRAs in opposition to VAWA. Shouldn't it just be amended to
include men?" - Regardless of the accuracy or lack thereof in regards to
the following, these are the claims I believe they make. VAWA allows for a
woman to accuse a man of domestic abuse during divorce proceedings and he
will be removed from the house without due process which will help her
secure the children. VAWA allows a woman to accuse a man of domestic abuse
and he will be immediately removed from his home for at least the next 48
hours.
"Why I consider myself an anti-feminist egalitarian" - This has more to do
with the group of feminism that sees women as children. It's a concern of
the erosion of due process surrounding domestic violence and rape that is
pursued by these feminists. Certain high profile feminists have been quoted
as saying "Asking for evidence of harassment is harassment." I'm not
against the right to choose or pro-rape or anything like that, but I fear
that if we don't stand in opposition to these feminists than we will end up
with "Emotional Abuse" laws (How could you ever reach the burden of proof
here?) or guilty until proven innocent in the case of rape (The actual
legislation was if they can prove you had sex, you have to prove you
obtained consent)
"If what you want is humanism and egalitarianism and not a single sex
movement, then why are you a MRA" - Victor Zen (MRA anti-feminist) has said
something to the effect of "I am an egalitarian, but I am focused on men's
issues and feminists are standing in the way of getting men's rights in
place"
A couple other notes:
Part of the problem of consent varying from person to person is where do
you draw the line legally? What is legally defined as consent? If I'm
cohabitating and a woman says "You can assume consent unless I explicitly
say otherwise" then later accuses me of rape because I didn't get explicit
consent, that's kind of bogus (assuming that she didn't revoke consent at
any point in time). So we have to figure out where the line is for the
law's sake.
Last but not least, at the end Janet talks about men being able to opt-out
of fatherhood and says that he is beholden to the woman's decision. You
point out that sex is a consensual decision, but she the decision she is
talking about is the decision to keep the child which is a decision that
the female has unilateral control over.
Again. Thank you for your levelheadedness and sorry for the book.
+Firewalker 92615 I pretty much agree with you on all points. It is nice to see levelheadedness and I do think it's becoming more rare because both sides are becoming galvanized and that does nothing beneficial for society. I try to be balanced, but I find myself becoming galvanized sometimes too. The things that made me start to question the anti-feminist perspective were Warren Farrel and Karen DeCrow. Tori does further that here. Even though she loses ground on the consent issue, it seems like she's fairly reasonable for the most part. Unfortunately, so much of what I see are the tumblr variety feminists.Last but not least, thank you for making the video. I wouldn't have sat through the debate otherwise.
Not to worry, I enjoy books! Please accept the following book in return:Thank you for the compliment of levelheadedness! It's something I value greatly.For the first point about VAWA: I'm glad you shared that tidbit of information. I honestly haven't looked into it. The main point I was making about Jan's position on the bill (and presumably MRA's position as well) is that you can amend it and make it more equal, and it would be remiss to say that it isn't important to help domestic abuse victims. Jan's argument here is that it's bad because it only seeks to protect women. That doesn't make it bad, it makes it incomplete. You make the argument here that it may be a poorly written bill because it forgoes due process, which is an entirely valid and important constitutional argument. Unfortunately, that's not the one Jan makes here.I agree that the erosion of due process is an incredibly dangerous thing, so I understand why you might identify as "anti-feminist" for the reasons you stated above. However, you can just as well stand for due process and equality by merely identifying as egalitarian. That would just as well, and more fairly cover those issues. My main issue with Jan's argument here is that she indicates that it's wrong to have a Feminist group because it only focuses on the needs of one group of people - women. Then at the same time she's part of MRA, the Men's Rights Activist. That's the same thing - just on the other side! If the problem is supporting one group over another, the answer is not to do the same thing on the other side of the aisle. It's hypocritical.The consent issue is extremely tricky litigation-wise, which is part of why I did not directly address it. It would take MONTHS of research to find any plausible solution and years more to find one that actually works. The two women in the video are debating consent in context of personal relationships, not in litigation. Absolutely claiming rape when it wasn't is bogus and it's definitely becoming a problem in society. When these laws came into place, there was the opposite problem - men couldn't be convicted in cases of actual rape because the standards were unreasonable and unattainable - and now we see the opposite problem. The system has over corrected. Now the standard of proof for obtaining consent is unreasonably high. One example is the fact that consent cannot be obtained when a person is drunk. It is unreasonable to say that someone can be convicted of rape when their partner is over a certain blood alcohol content but not below is ridiculous. Are we supposed to start breathalyzing before sex? It is a proven fact that alcohol affects your cognitive and motor abilities. If you don't want to make a stupid decision, then don't drink too much! Know your limits! Don't get shit-faced at a bar with people you don't know or with friends that are shitty friends. You (being people, not actually YOU) make a conscious and informed decision to lower your cognitive functions, so you should not be able to blame someone else for the result. BAC should not be considered in rape cases. And to clarify, I am only speaking about instances when someone gave consent while drunk and then charged someone else with rape. Last but not least, at the end Janet talks about men being able to opt-out of fatherhood and says that he is beholden to the woman's decision. You point out that sex is a consensual decision, but she the decision she is talking about is the decision to keep the child which is a decision that the female has unilateral control over.I see what you mean about my mutual consent comment. Her wording kind'a threw me off there. Thanks for pointing it out!Thanks so much for taking the time to watch this whole video and even more for taking the time to have a calm, logical, intelligent dialogue with me about it. :) One of the perks of a small channel, I think.
So far I've made it to 7:00... If you weren't saying Janet is going to pull
out of this, I wouldn't still be watching. It's really sad because I tend
to regard myself as an anti-feminist, but she really just isn't conducting
herself well nor is she presenting her points in a clear and concise
manner. Also, Hobby Lobby was her opening argument? Bad start.