The world stage is changing drastically and the old order is fading.
However it amazes me that, I'm assuming, both idb87 and zaki feel strongly
about this issues. The question is for what purpose? If it is because you
both wish for peace and happiness for your respected sides, then I suggest
you are merely repeating timeless mistakes and not doing anything to help
acheive this. If its because you wish the others distruction I suggest you
both join up on your respected sides and stake your lives.
@valeagathon Settlers are stealing all the land and water. They should
gtfo. Would you accept Palestinian settlers protected by a powerful
military inside Israel? No. Fuck that, obviously. Also, you lost all
credibility when you said the Gaza strip is fully independent. It is
completely DEPENDENT on Israel to manage (severely limit) all of the
imports and exports, and to not bomb the people and infrastructure at any
time. Are you a govt. propagandist, or do you just genuinely not know
anything?
Hey! The old pervert is even an anti-Semite to bad for him that the Jews
decided to come back after 2000 years of retirement and once again fighting
Syrians and Egyptians! The strange thing is, that one does never hear such
perverts about wars like those in Congo, where did in the last few years
about 5 million people without the world even noticing it; or Darfur,
Burma, Sri Lanka or Tibet, all conflicts much more bloody and brutal than
this media hoax of an conflict in the vicinity of Israel...
@valeagathon Well, it could possibly be a start, except for 2 glaring
problems. The first is that the Palestinian people didn't have a legitimate
hand in creating this political program that is supposedly designed to save
them (which is acceptable, if you are a racist, colonialist/orientalist
shitbag). The second problem is that, under the PA, the Palestinians have
only LOST land, political/economic rights, resources, and territory to
settlements faster than ever before. Fuck Israel's PA sham.
@tkstka: Are you sure? At least there is a third or even more coming of
Israel with or with-out God. @SMoldie: Stop the whining! The Jews were no
better treated in the Mohammedan world than in the Christian! If not they
would not have virtually all come to Israel after its founding! And even
before: A Persian plotted the extermination of the Jews about 500 BC, the
plot failed and the Jews celebrate their Purim feast because of that.
Israel was founded anew by the Jews long before the Nazis...
from 1,2 mio 4 mio refugees... bogus ever read through one of those 69+
resolutions? useless and bogus. 50,000+ per capita times 7mio capita = 3.5
x 10^11. thats ca 58 times the world population. 250,000+ per capita times
7mio capita = 1,75 x 10^12. thats ca 291 times the world population.
60,000+ per capita times 7mio capita = 4,2 x 10^11. thats ca70 times the
world population. why does the ummah refuse to ratify the human rights
charter? what planet are you living on zakiboy?! what a piece
@GreatGrumbledook No, Chomsky has "noticed" it, and has spoken on it.
According to him, however, ho doesn't know very much, partly because he
hasn't spent enough time studying the conflict, and partly because very,
very little research and observation has been done there. The difference
between Congo and Palestine/Israel is that the US govt. is funding and
supporting the aggressor/usurper in the Middle East, while we do not have
as much of a direct responsibility for the deaths in the Congo.
These Liberal left won't be happy till the Palestinian & Islamic dream of
every Jew dead. Arabs had this land for over a thousand years, prior to the
Jews arriving it was a unproductive desert. Surrounded by 350 millions
Arabs the Jewish state is outnumbered over 50 to 1. Over the past two weeks
there have been 80, then 50 then 60 rockets slam into Israel. When the
Jewish state responds these type of people protest. Israel could be flooded
by Arabs. What Israel is doing is called survival.
its not about race... who said anything about race. but in 1948 the mid
east was controlled by the british there was no Arab nationality or
counties at the time. this is why the war in 1948 war general Arabs
fighting general the new Israel. plus the AL Arabia the Arab unity is a
political organization so in short I say Arabs. as for Israel I can say
that as an Israeli I am a part of every decision my government make and so
does every Israeli we very involved in our government as a democracy
as i said arabs adopted worse form anti-s POGROMS Damascus (1840, 1848,
1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jerusalem (1847), Cairo
(1844, 1890, 1901-02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901-07),
Port Said (1903, 1908), Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891), Istanbul (1870,
1874), Buyukdere (1864), Kuzguncuk (1866), Eyub (1868), Edirne (1872),
Izmir (1872, 1874).[64] There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in
1828.[65] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[65]
Firstly, idb87 what zaki said about 9/11, his point is here for all to read
so there is no need to keep reitorating it, it weakens your arguement. As
neither Palestinian or Jew, the way I see it is the palestinians are being
repressed heavily and the latest invasion of gaza is nothing more than
letting people know the state of Israel can and will attack exactly the
same as Iran's missle tests. America's silence in this proves that even
they are doubtful as to whether it can be justified.
let me tell you something why is it major interest of Israel to have a two
state solution. today is mainstream in Israel and an open discussion but
the world is so full of Arab propaganda nobody is listen to the Israelis.
today in the land of Israel a Palestine together that are the same number
of Arabs and Jews. the thing s that the Arab population is growing 4 times
faster then the Jewish population. so in the long run if Israel to remain
democracy it will have to become an Arab state
I never voted Likud but you would see that likud party made peace with
Egypt and returned Sinai , Likud withdrew from Gaza and destroyed every
Jewish settlement in Gaza. last time Bibi was prime mister he destroyed
settlements in Hebron (extreme Jewish right town). not to mention that now
there is a unity government in Israel the labor party (left) and likud
(right) are siting together in the coalition. and kadima (center) in the
opposition. AKA the knesset have major mandate for peace
@aewester "Are you a govt. propagandist, or do you just genuinely not know
anything?" and that one shows tons of arrogance.i'm a private citizen,18
year old,living in italy.i wouldn't give a cent neither about my ECB-owned
government(wich,anyway,got other problems,like limiting the crisis'
damages,surely not israel)nor about your jew-owned one.ya,they own your
filthy ass,and you aren't doing anything.i think you like taking jewish
dicks in your back,do you?you're all words and no facts
bottom line Israel voted for the two states solution for 14 years now both
in general election and in the polls. but its not only up on the Israeli
people it must be made by signed agreement with palestine and the
international community. there must be security guarantees to Israel form
NATO. and all this can only be done if palestine have one strong
government. the fight right now is about making hamas and Fatah sitting
together and talk. FYI the hate and the bullshit is on your side
This only possible with a fresh Obama administration embarking upon a
course of forceful regional action and diplomacy for the internationally
recognized principles and only solution "Land for Peace" under a two-State
joint regional settlement, recognized and supported by nations of the
region with UN or Nato peace-forces quickly replacing Israel occupying
military in a new Palestinian State, until both sides learn politics is the
Art of the possible so enough to be civil neighbours
@LearnedHand2008 This is why I didn't bother trying to explain myself
earlier. It was an absolute waste of my time. You continue to believe what
you want and continue to dictate my own beliefs to me. I used Hamas ONLY
because you accuse anyone who supports Palestine of Hamas' crimes. I was
pointing out how ridiculous this it because, like most Palestinian
supporters, I do not support Hamas. I hate how simply using that one word
has made you go off on this tangent. It is unbelievably frustrating.
@LearnedHand2008 I don't side with Muslims. I'm an atheist and I dislike
Islam as much as I dislike Christianity and Judaism. They're all silly
myths. I side with the oppressed. That's why I side with Palestinians. Most
moral and informed human beings around the globe sympathise with the
Palestinians. And 4 your info, the Gazans and people of the West Bank arent
trying to destroy my country, last time I checked. Unless of course youre
lumping ALL muslims together, which would make you a racist.
(1) In your first response, you again dodge the substance of my argument by
suggesting you've already made your point. Actually, you haven't defended
your semantics, and it wouldn't be repetitive to do so. This isn't a
tangent, its about how allegedly humanitarian people like you are
insidiously sympathetic to Hamas. (2) Second response, you lie about the
cause of the argument. You invoked Hamas. Read your second post on the
thread. Also, I nowhere assume pro-Palestinian people are pro-Hamas.
The leading rejectionist Palestinian movement (Hamas) claims a RELIGIOUS
right to establish a totalitarian state in Palestine. The are not liberal,
secular democrats fighting for human rights. They are fighting for Jewish
enslavement. IFE seeks to establish the same totalitarian government in
Europe. If you're not a fascist Islamist, its hard to see how you could
support Hamas and not IFE, since they have the same ideological goalsThis
is where your blind hatred of Israel (hypocrisy) comes in.
Anyone who visits Israel and sees how integrated a society it is will
automatically feel foolish for even considering the hateful, vitriolic,
malicious propaganda spewed by delusional idiots like you. Britain has the
BNP, France has Le Pen, etc...the "population transfer" idea has no real
currency in Israel, and you know it. Even Netanyahu treats the idea like a
joke. Its a fringe idea, and NOBODY believes it would ever be implemented.
It is politically impossible. Your lies are still rubbish.
@petersz98 That's a disgusting and dishonest accusation, since Zionism
saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews by breaking BRITISH law,
which would have kept them in Europe to be slaughtered. You can dredge up
holocaust survivors who oppose Israel, but the VAST majority support it.
Zionism is the liberation movement of the Jewish people, which embraced
many races. There was nothing colonial about it: it opposed the British
colonizers who occupied Palestine. You know you're lying, why?
(3) Third response is meant to discount your statement (Hamas wants better
conditions for Palestinian people) into a truism, that is "FUCKING
OBVIOUS", according to your understanding of "want."You've watered down
your original point so much, I fail to see why you made it all. You've
rendered your point (the distinction between being pro-Hamas and
pro-Palestinian) into a truism, and I don't think you would have bothered
making your original assertion if this is all you really meant to say.
(2) You were trying to distinguish support for Palestinian welfare from
support for militancy. Ok, they can be distinguished. Suggesting that Hamas
cares about Palestinian welfare in the process of making that distinction
reveals a pro-Hamas bias because its not true, and not necessary to make
your point. What if I said, "I didn't support Bush, but I supported his
concern for Iraqi civilians." This reveals a pro-Bush bias because the
substance of my distinction contains an untruth. GET IT?
@petersz98 Any Arab may serve, and they do. Thank you for conceding you
LIED. Arab Jews left voluntarily the same way many Palestinians did: the
wanted to get out before they were KILLED. Iraqi Nazis instigated pograms,
Libya, Egypt, and Tunisia all legally expelled their Jews. Your lies don't
stand up for two long when one looks at the mountains of historical
evidence demonstrating conclusively that Jews were expelled and robbed of
their land. people don't give up billions for free, LIAR
@Englishdosser86 Hamas has prioritized the material welfare of its people
BELOW its ideological goals, which involve either massacring, expelling, or
enslaving 6 millions Israeli Jews under a totalitarian theocracy. Your
position is counterintuitive: Hamas, on its own, can recognize Oslo, end
rocket attacks, and leave Israelis alone without compromising Gaza's
security. Israel, on the other hand, cannot give freedom to Gaza without
compromising its own security. So why ask for the latter?
You're engaging in semantics. It would be meaningless to say Hamas "wants
peace", but that it simply prioritizes peace below waging an existential
war against a country of millions (it has, absurdly, suggested this). Your
counterintuitive and, frankly, delusional suggestion that Hamas wants
better conditions for Gazans is rendered meaningless by your definition of
"want": if Hamas doesn't want better conditions enough to simply respect
Oslo, it doesn't want them in any reasonable sense.
@petersz98 Even if the bombings had never occured the Jews all would have
fled. There were plenty of Arab pogroms, and the Iraqi government will
importing Nazi ideology. Since you're a LIAR, you exaggerate the
significance of the false flag bombs. 100,000+ people don't abandon all
their property because of a few bombs. It takes a program of ethnic
cleansing. FYI: Arab Jews are happy to live in Israel, and would laugh at
the idea of living under Muslim oppression as their ancestors did.
@Englishdosser86 (1) You didn't respond to the substance of my last post,
so who is being obtuse and wasting the other's time? I said nowhere that
support of Palestinians is equated with support for Hamas. My insults are
very well-substantiated, since you still seem unable to understand how your
absurd sympathy for anti-Western values manifests itself in what you
believe is an impartial, valid argument. Is what I'm saying really too
nuanced for you to understand? Consider the following:
You are such a retard. I DO NOT LIKE HAMAS. This whole discussion was
hijacked by your insistence that I do. I said that Hamas wants a better
state of affairs for the Palestinian people as a side point to illustrate
YOUR unfair connection between being pro-Israeli and pro-terrorist. You
replied, that they care more about ideology than Palestinian well-being and
I agreed with you. IT STRENGTHENS MY ARGUMENT. There is a bigger divide
between supporters of Palestinians and those of Hamas.
@LearnedHand2008 The reason that I drew the connection was because I was
extrapolating YOUR position. Why else would you assume that to be
pro-Palestinian is pro-Hamas unless you saw some inherent connection? Like
most people here, I would prefer to not bring up Hamas because they do not
represent my political views. YOU invoked them, by drawing up a comparison.
I was trying to show how different my political beliefs were from them by
drawing on a single, insignificant shared belief...
@LearnedHand2008 I did not speak favourably of Hamas. I stated that Hamas
and Palestinian sympathisers share only one belief necessarily: better
conditions for the Palestinians. You went on to comment that Hamas
prioritize their ideology ahead 0of the people`s condition. This may be
true, but it does not mean that they do not want better conditions for the
Palestinians. If anything, this difference in prioritization supports what
I was saying further. It is incorrect to confuse them.
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If the Falestinians were'nt such God-awful pussies, they'd all put on regular army uniforms to fight the pesky Jooooo, mano-e-manoon the glorious Plains of Abraham. BUT THEY DON'T. They hide their iSlamic prayer toys in schools, hospitals, and homes. If da Jooos get too close, they chuck their AK-47, slap on a Freedom Sack Buurrkhga and grab the near 2 year old by the arm...
What do you get after 1400 years of incest, polygamy, child rape,
inbreeding, and generations of child abuse?
A population that follows a murderous pedophile prophet, who are incapable
of rational or critical thought which tends towards violence and
criminality, unable to control emotional impulses, and a threat to every
civilized society they come into contact with.
+motion911I don't know what the human genome was like then, but the science today certainly shows that inbreeding is destructive to the organisms who take part in it ... and I think the current state of the Muslims evidences that ... as well as the various kingdoms of Europe that once practiced it. The British finally came to grips with the problem in the early 1800s when they decided to breed with German royalty, although I'd say the current raft they have are still suffering from the negative side effects ;)
Next Israeli-Palestinian talks will be like this:
blah-blah-blah-BLAH-blah-blah-blah-BLAH-blah-blah... There is nothing to
talk with primitive Arabs. It is time for actions.
It's because the israelis will use any means to demoralize the Palestinians
resistance,, do you think this is actually about stopping rockets? You must
be an idiot if you think you can destroy a guerrilla group with a
conventional guerrilla force, the IDF are either stupid and they do not
learn, as we saw in lebanon in 2006, israel was very good at making the
lebanese pay, but hezbollah gave the IDF an ass whipping, the IDF must know
very well that they cannot achieve their military objectives..
I'd have to be a naive fool not to believe that this unjustified criticism
is rooted in anything but anti-Jewish sentiment. People who resent the
creation of Israel and constantly charge the Jewish state with all manner
of crimes are either almost always latent, or blatant anti-semites - no
matter how they try to disguise it. They get their "education" from Jewish
hates sites on the internet and distort history, facts, and news, to
discredit the Jews. Not asking for pity so save it asshole.
Unjustified criticism? There are 850 dead people in Gaza and it is well
established that they are not all "terrorists". When the well-trained and
well-funded IDF claims that they can "precision bomb" "terrorists" then I'm
sorry it's inexcusable that they have been bombing UN facilities since
1982, the GPS coordinates of the school they just bombed were given to the
IDF, Israelis are drunk on power, they think they can get away with
anything because that is what has happened so far..
..and let's not forget that the IDF rammed an aid ship just for the fuck of
it, that is attempted murder in my book. Let's say you think israelis are
justified in randomly bombing Gazan infrastructure and in the process
indiscriminately murdering Gazans, why are they not allowing aid in?
Medicine, food, electricity, fuel, are they afraid they are going to launch
these at israel also? why aren't humanitarian airdrops allowed? They work
in Africa why don't they work in palestine?
..but the Palestinians have the right to fight for the land that was taken
from them as long as they feel like, if the israelis can't handle the
stress of rockets landing in fields and killing someone once in a blue moon
then they should pack their shit and move, that's a privilege that's denied
the Palestinians, the IDF tells them to leave and go somewhere safe, it
disgusts me that they can make robo-calls telling Gazans to go somewhere
else and then they go and bomb the UN..
And it will continue for a while longer, but believe me not forever. The
"State of Israel" is established on stolen land, a few deaths from rockets
a year is a very cheap price to pay for the land that has been gained, I
think they should just can it and live it, nothing in life is for free and
that includes land. Don't give me this anti-semite shit, I have Jewish
friends and this has nothing to do with Jews. Don't get me wrong I don't
think that israel is going anywhere..
Anyone who speaks bad about the video are complete idiots! Big woop! The
Israeli's are asking the Palestinans to stand there so there insane
terrorist friends don't throw stones at them. Also, during actual war with
shooting and bombing Palestines stick there kids on top of their houses!
They don't even care about their own people! AM YISROEL CHAI!!!!! YAH
ISRAEL!!!!!
The israeli courts order do not do anything to their soldiers. you are just
an uneducated zionist who is fed a bunch of crap about zionism and how good
of a country "israel" is. israelis do stuff like this all the time i have
witnessed it in my own eyes. the courts never do anything to the soldiers.
free Palestine! peace
israeli chicken shit army.. no wonder they couldnt beat lebonese milita
they had no human sheilds.. isreal is very lucky they have the US as a
friend other wise they wouldve been charged but the us control th UN
anyway.. so in reality who are the axis of evil.. i think it is the US and
Israel.
What does this video prove? How do we know who was standing in front of the
jeep? How do we know this wasn't staged? Why it is that the two men could
just walk away from the jeep? Pretty lame if you ask me. You Jew haters
will stop at nothing to find fault with Israel. Nice try!
You are an ignorant idiot. Who mentioned anything about jews? Don't go
crying out with your "anti-semetic" bs, you had the world's pity for a long
time and you've milked it dry, that shit doesn't work anymore. Fault with
israel? please don't let me get started
Of the 28 armed conflicts in the world, 25 involve Muslim forces against
non-Muslims. But yes, Islam is a religion of peace & it's all the Zionists
fault for wanting self determination for Jews in less than 1% of the Middle
East.
Yet another example in an unending list of war crimes by the Israeli
Terrorist Force, the ITF. When Israeli is finally nuked, it won't be by a
muslim country. It will be by Israeli soldiers sick of their country's
hypocrisy.
that's no humen shield. A humen shield is when you actually attack but
cover behind another person, this way no one is getting hurt, they won't
stone the jeep when their friends are there. So what's wrong with it?
@ArabicPointSolutions just look at the video you fool the retarded camera
guy didnt even allowed the soldiers to speak and from what i get he told
them to FUCK OFF and they just stand there...
thers footege of israilis actualy using polistanian civilians as shields in
actual fire fights where they would through them out into the line of fire
to draw out the shooters, fucken skum.
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