Does the Bible support rape, slavery, etc? Other topics discussed as well
Many people continue to point to certain Biblical scriptures in an attempt bring down the Bible or put down those who follow it. These seemingly contradicting ...
+Julia Bates That's unfortunate. I might not respond as quickly as I am now but I always will. I appreciate you taking time out of your day to watch the videos!
+Melissa James Hello Melissa! Thanks for watching the video and commenting! In order for me to answer what you said better, can you please explain to me where and how my hermeneutics is wrong in examining these Scriptures? In saying God is a God that never changes what do you mean? Yes, He never changes, however in the NT there is a clear description on what the Law means and how it should be used in light of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The fact of the matter is the bible clearly condones treating people as
property and gives different rules for people who aren't part of God's
chosen race. That was the sole justification used for the transatlantic
slave trade. People knew slavery was wrong but they threw away their innate
morality and took on the morals the bible teaches.
Deuteronomy 20:10-15
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be
subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make
peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the
Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in
it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in
the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the
plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you
are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not
belong to the nations nearby.
How is forcing someone to choose between being a slave or dying any
different than kidnapping them?
+The One Kizzle Anytime I address questions regarding these Scriptures, it must always be remembered that in context they were written to a culture far removed from our own and these passages must be read in that context. Another point I'd like to make is that God did not create the institution of slavery, man did because of his fallen nature. God however added regulations to an otherwise unregulated (think of slavery in Egypt at this time) practice. This is not God's final stance on this issue and there are two (and more) explanations that I will attempt to use. First, as I believe I said before God added regulations to this institution that dramatically changed the treatment of slaves against the backdrop of this culture that were unheard of at this time. Slowly and incrementally introducing aspects of an unheard morality to these institutions would eventually remove this institution altogether if properly followed. This can be thought of like someone trying to quit smoking. Some people can quit cold turkey, however this is not the majority of people. Most need to use nicotine patches, gum, and other products to slowly remove themselves from smoking until they give it up completely. The same scenario is occurring here. If God told them to stop slavery completely at this moment, they would've had a harder time following the law than they did already. In light of all the other information I have typed, some have made the suggestion that the reason Israelites were allowed to keep slaves of Gentile nations during this time was a result of sin and a form of just punishment for that sin. This is new information to me and while I don't know if I subscribe completely to that however, it does have some validity.
What do you make of this?“You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)
+Tyler Brown I tried to edit my comment further because I mistook what you said. To your last point and overall I do not want to get into a discussion where we say what God should have said in a situation. That's a slope that we will never successfully climb. But with regards to Moses' authority, the people had no doubt that he was who God was speaking to, especially from the evidence of the miracles he was able to perform and the encounter on Mt. Sinai.
+The One Kizzle You are right and I will never say that to us that seems incredibly strange and harsh, but properly examining the context and God's purpose in allowing this can help to ease some of the confusion. But there are examples in Scripture where God describes how the Israelites are to treat their slaves. Now these things to, to us seem very harsh like Exodus 21:20 "When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slaves dies under his hand, he shall be avenged." Now to us we will most likely say wow how could God allow that? However, think of how the Israelites were treated as slaves in Egypt. There was no law such as this and slaves could be killed pretty much at will with no repercussion. However, this is an example of God leading the Israelites away from this to the point where slavery would no longer be accepted.I understand where you're coming from and I find it disturbing as well when people do things like that and use Scripture improperly. It is great to question people when they do things like that and try to use that way of thinking as justification. But that is not God's fault, that is man's.
But it's a commandment from God not just allowing them to take slaves, ordering them them to take slaves. He could have said to do anything with them but he made it clear these people were nothing more than additional objects to be plundered.So it's hardly surprising men would learn to treat other people like a commodity when that's what their god has been telling them to do.I just find it disturbing when a person can convince others to commit horrible acts simply by saying, "Oh God talks to me and he said it's ok" and no one even seems to question it.
Hello thank you for watching the video and for your comment! Those using these scriptures for the transatlantic slave trade were wrong for two reasons. They weren't Israelites and Exodus 21:16 clearly prohibits the kidnapping of ppl from a land for slavery. Man created slavery because of his sinful nature. God stepped into a ppl who were corrupt and began incrementally bringing them from and setting them apart from the culture they found themselves in. I will formulate a more extensive answer when I have more time but for now I would recommend some of Paul Copans work on the subject! Have a good one man!
+Jacobson Tukua Hello Jacobson sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. The Scripture you're talking about is 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35. Reading this in context, which is important for all Scripture before applying it, it does not seem that Paul was using this as an absolute decree. The church Paul wrote this letter to was known for its prominence in the spiritual gifts of speaking in tongues, prophecy, and etc. Paul wrote this chapter to establish an order to the use of that gift during worship services. Paul is likely forbidding women to speak up an judge prophecies (which is an act directly related to this context) since such an activity would subvert male headship and cause more confusion during a gathering.
Thanks for the question man sorry I'm late getting back to you. This is a great question and I will type up a response and send it to you on here. Thanks again Jacobson.
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