Are you sick of heading to the alignment shop every time you replace something in the front end of your car? Want to do a custom alignment for weekend of ...
Is there a reason why you left the string a foot away from the wheels? The
least without touching anything works best, less chance of an idiot
tripping over it too...
+Geo K: No, you could set it up with the strings closer if you wanted to. We were just trying to give ourselves room to work and film. As long as you are getting good measurements, it won't effect the quality of the alignment you get at the end.
+Garage X Television my husband uses it when he races an on our home cars.. I don;t know how to fix my alignment, but i use it to do regular check ups after I hit the curb or whatever else my eyes dont see.. so it helps me not have to tell him unless there is a problem.. I drove over an island in the mall once when i pulled forward and i thought for sure i had knocked it out, but I got lucky and it was within the specs from Toyota.
+Nana T No, but it looks like another great at-home alignment tool. It does caster, camber, and toe, and it's made in the U.S.A. What's not to love? We were surprised at how many options there are out there for doing DIY alignments once we started getting into it. We'd love to hear more about it, if you have used a Quicktrick that you've been using in your garage.
I wouldn't believe using the side of the tire as a plane would be very
accurate. correct me if i'm wrong. Also wouldn't you have too ensure the
wheels have no runout? speaking from experience larger vehicles tend too
run out significantly.
Thought so, cool show guys. The only reason i say about the tyre as a plane, I tryed once too align toe on the front of a road grader in a way similar to you, but i used two people rhs across the tyres instead of the flat plate setup you guys used. (I worked on these machines that did lots of driving job to job). The tyre (not rim) wasn't uniform enough in that application. we used hammer handle against the tyre method. I tested this jacking the wheel up and turning it. Tyre wear did improve afterwards. I totally agree with the idea of getting your car setup close as possible. Some vehicles aren't as easy to align, some use shims on control arms etc. These can be hard to get at, As these are altered or removed it changes multiple settings and can take significant time to correct. These often aren't corrected. Im looking at making a setup very similar to what you used.
+marcus mcc Runout at the rim is an issue no matter if you are trying this at home, or up on an expensive alignment rack. You can measure from your laser line (or string) down the side of the vehicle to the frame or pinch weld in a couple of spots and make sure your line is really parallel. That should take out any runout error coming from your back axel. If you want to be super accurate, you'd probably want to check for front wheel runout with a dial indicator before getting started as well. We didn't get to this level of measurement while filming this episode, but it couldn't hurt if you are looking for that last bit of accuracy.
I'm a helicopter mechanic and we align rotor blades with a long string like
that. If its good enough for a million dollar aircraft its probably good
enough for some dudes Camry.
+khlash We have it on good authority that the string method is actually MORE accurate than the commercial racks at the big shops. You never see a race car getting set up on an alignment machine. They all use string... Or so we're being told. Interesting. -Matt
No, the rear wheels are not always perfectly straight, most front wheel drive cars have adjustable links in the rear to set toe, camber, and thrust angle. the one's that don't require shims. This method is good to get you close, to truly dial it requires a 4 wheel alignment with the proper equipment.
+angelisone Yes, but it's not ideal. Might have to over-adjust and come back in with it so the adjustment is neutral (not loaded). Hard to explain, it's a feel thing.
Fishing line works great, also you can take a couple of 12"x12" vinyl floor
tiles, smear a little grease between them, and put them under the tires and
make a great little turn plate so that when you adjust the toe, they move
in and out really easy.
Sure, you could take half a day off work to go to the alignment shop that's
only open business hours, spend 15 minutes driving there, 1 hour waiting
around pointlessly, 15 minutes driving back, and then enjoy not having
worked all that time (ie: using up half a vacation day or just not getting
paid) and having spent $80. Or you could do it yourself in your own
driveway after work when you're not being paid for free and enjoy a beer
for a job well done. I prefer to do the work myself.
You've made a great video here. I really like your leveling trick and
attention to detail. I'd like my subscribers to see this video. Would you
make it a video response to my quick and dirty alignment video? This will
likely result in you getting more subscribers. I'm subscribing to your
channel and you'll likely get more. Great work here!
Checking the floor level is genious, never would have thought of doing
that. But it is a perfect way to check level next to a fixed reference such
as the ruler because the water level in the tube will always rest at the
same level as the water level in the bucket because both are subject to the
same atmospheric air pressure. Great video!
So far this looks awesome! Gonna check out pt 2 but before I do I got a
quick question. Instead of using the water trick, could you just set up a
laser and measure up to it on all four corners? I'm in construction and use
this method all the time but obviously not in this application! Just a
thought!!
You have saved my business over $3000 I have two taxi's on the road 24/7
every two weeks I was paying $65 each to save on tyre costs, it really
works so thanks for the video. But for your average family car that would
only need an alignment one's a year well it's not really worth the
trouble...
garage floors are always always supposed to be slanted, never consider them
perfectly level. i believe it's something like 1/16" every foot.. i used to
be in architectural engineering, before i changed majors so i can't be 100%
positive on that number
how level will my truck need to be to adjust toe if my camber is preset at
the factory and not adjustable? my garage is fairly level to begin with. i
will do what you did to make sure its level if i need to but if i dont have
to it would be nice
Thank you for your reply. So then, if the steering wheel is a bit off
centered... that does not mean your alignment is off, right? The check
would be to drive on a flat road, take hands off and see if it goes
straight.. is this correct?
@torilee27 A steering wheel that is off center could be a simple toe
adjustment mistake or it might be an indicator of more serious damaged
parts. Get a PROFESIONAL to inspect and align your car.!
@AutoXer DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE REAR WHEELS ARE TOE IN (AND THEY CANT BE
ADJUSTED) SHOULD THE FRONT WHEELS BE TOE IN TOO, THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE
REAR IS TOE IN?? OR SET TO ZERO TOE??
The water jack thing is brilliant, but couldn't you do away with the jack
and just add more water to the bucket instead of jacking it up/down? Could
be more accurate that way too.
no shit,,,,,,,alignments are not that expensive,and most are done in less
than an hour(depending on how busy the shop is that day) and you get a
warranty and the rest of your day
jesus christ man, my time is worth something....$80 and the local guy i
know uses the laser rack and gets it all right....then i go on about my
day....this is insane
Very informative video but why not lock your kids in the closet or
something to shut them the fuck up? That whining in the background is very
distracting.
dumb girl ? here.. does the steering wheel need to be PERFECTLY straight
for the alignment to be straight.. what if the steering wheel is a tiny bit
off?
Garage X - Episode 7 - DIY Wheel Alignment Part 2
We're back, and we're going to be finishing up our at-home alignments! Last time, we tried our hands at an old school string alignment to set the toe on Matt's ...
Well done. (Fudge. I need to go back and watch the first part.)
Quicktrick = fail
The Longacre or Fastrax tools are better and far less expensive.
I can't believe the amount of BS in the Quictrick sales video, and they
disabled the comments. No comments = they know they're FOS.
We'll see how long it takes them to post a condescending rebuttal to this,
try to ban me, and get this comment deleted.
I own a Smartcamber tool as well as the Longacre device*. I don't bother
with the "hands free part" on the Smartcamber. But, the reason I quit using
it was that the level can move around in the frame. The Longacre tool has
the level locked in the holder.
*...I use a Hunter camera system at my shop and a Hunter 411 laser system
at my house.
I've never used the Fastrax but saw it at the SEMA show. It looks good, but
I'd prefer a digital level.
I've spent three years working at an alignment shop that does not use
computers, and a total of twenty three years, including eight years of
having my own shop, using computers.
Jeff "TheAlignmentGuy" (.com)
+Jeff Forss I should add, even if you own or have access to a computer, you need to know how to use mechanical methods to do an alignment. This way you can double check your computer to tell if it's acting up. ...And still get alignments done if the computer is broken, or if some bozo co worker has a dump truck apart on the alignment rack when you want to use it. This happened once and I stunned the boss by doing the alignment on the floor with some of the methods in these videos.
So, let me ask you guys a question please. We have a 31' Class C motor home
built on a 2006 Ford E-450. I've had this MH for about 2 years. Had the
alignment done 3 times and it STILL has 3 to 4 inches of steering play
going down the road. I've asked to have the caster set as far forward as
possible and they REFUSE to move it past Ford spec. Why won't they? Does
Caster NOT help the play?
+Michael “Roguelement” Laverty Agreed. There's an adjustment that can be done at the steering box to take up some of the slack, but that sounds like too much slop for everything to be okay under there. I'd have them look again, or go get a second opinion. It shouldn't be too hard to see where the play is coming from if the wheel is able to move back and forth that much.
+enterprise59 I hear you but I have to tell you .. I'm NOT real comfortable telling you to try and remove that much play and trying to do it thinking your gonna accomplish that through the steering gear box It's only a gear box . you will let go of the wheel and it won't come back to center . I've taken up some slop and overly loose feeling but to remove 3 to 5 inches .. I'm not doing it ...maybe try another gear box first .. Or how are the king pins if it's straight axle ????
+Michael Lavertyreplaced drag link. The place that did that check out the rest of the steering system, said all connections were in great shape. They did not check the gear box however. She likes to wonder, so I have 3 to 5 inches of play depending on road.
+enterprise59 I'm going to guess you have a straight axle front end ? I myself would check every joint in the steering system personally so have someone behind the wheel rock the steering wheel in one direction and back a few time's to pin point the steering play issue chances are you have a worn out joint . maybe center link or tie rod end {drag link} or the like but if you have excessive play then you have an issue that can easily be found ...Even for a so called "front end" guy
+enterprise59 No. Caster won't do anything for "play" or slop in the steering. That's more likely due to wear and tear, or stack-up of clearances throughout the steering/suspension system. Additional negative caster will increase steering effort, and give you more straight line tracking. I'd have someone check your steering ASAP and figure out what the problem is.
Do you realize that by the time you raise the front of the vehicle you done
lost its natural camber angle. Nonsense Video just like so many others. Why
do you think alignment turn plates move in all directions. Get a life.
True. Which is why you have to "jounce" the suspension once it's back down on its wheels. They greased plates let the wheels move in all directions, just like an expensive turn plates. Even on real alignment machines, vehicles often get lifted off their wheels while the tech makes adjustments and loosen hard to reach fasteners. When the car comes down, the suspension gets jounced to find its "natural"camber angle again. We got great, consistent camber numbers using the Watkins Smart Camber Gauge. Just remember to jounce it.I will see if I can get a life. -Matt
You're right. That seems to be the issue with toe plates. You can set total toe by adjusting both, or just one side, but on most vehicles there will be no way to ensure your steering wheel angle is straight when you are done. The plates work well if you just replaced an outer tie rod end, and you want to check and set toe on one side, but not as well if you need a full alignment.