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Feminist porn: shifting our sexual culture | Olivia Tarplin | TEDxJerseyCity

Feminist pornography has evolved from its beginnings of female porn icons and sex-positive academic feminists. It seeks to both address existing issues of ...

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philbbg commented on 09 Apr 2016

Soooo....She is saying children are not hurt by porn. She is saying porn is instructional for normal sexual health. She is saying feminist's w/in the porn genre do not lift their rears for a man to penetrate? Soooo...feminists, who are empowered, want a different ending to a porn act? The feminists engaged in porn do not allow a man to ejaculate into their mouths? I figure, if a feminist does not want this, then maybe a feminist should not be involved in porn. Same for men. This is an old vid, but why do these feminists accept semen into their mouths for money? Money! She has no point for the feminist movement. No point at all. She is promoting porn. Young male children ARE affected by porn. Young female children ARE affected by porn. What is the objective, during a porn shoot, is the feminist wanting to accomplish? Perhaps that women are generally shown as the unwanted receptor of male domination. Perhaps feminists want to see empowered women peeing in men's mouths. That is already available. Any weird, disgusting, or degenerate act between humans has already been done. How about a feminist having sex w/ an animal? Done! Porn is porn. It is what it is. Both genders debase themselves to induce addiction in either gender for money! Female ejaculation is urination during the act. Anyone can watch women peeing into other's mouths. Soooo....a feminist porn star engages in porn to redirect the male's tendency to watch it? The same feminist engages in porn to teach males to appreciate women? I do not see the correlation. A feminist, engaging in porn, wants the same outcome. Money! Women on women. Men on men. Black on white. Horses and dogs on women, or men. The objective is the same. Addict men and women to porn for money! PORNOGRAPHY is the disease, not the cure! She should be speaking against the domination of men against women IN porn. She should be speaking of the degradation of women in the porn industry in general. She should be standing against feminists who join that genre for money. I have no credentials. I am not an expert in this arena. I am a 48 yr old man who was addicted to porn. I am against the degradation of women, and men for money. I have three children. My young daughter witnessed porn while my eldest boy was watching it. She tried to get her dolls to emulate, but her dolls did not have that kind of articulation. This "enlightenment" corrupted her understanding of the roles between men and women. She is 15 now. Regardless whether she is a feminist, lesbian, or heterosexual matters little. She WAS affected by what she saw, and it was not educational in any way. I feel all of it as my fault. After all, what is a bit of porn going to do to harm me or my children? Even more, what does porn do to affect my marital status? Porn caused me to see my wife as a meat sock. What I watched, I tried to emulate. Porn is NOT instructional, but damaging. Heterosexual and non-heterosexual relationships are destroyed by porn. I am off my soap-box. Guys and gals, stop watching porn. You will never know your potential viewing porn. Porn is not a realistic view of relationship between a man and woman. Porn is not a realistic view of a man and a man relationship. Porn is not a realistic representation of a woman and woman relationship. Porn is an adulteration of all the above. I am a Christ-following man, and I love all of you. Period.

cr2zybadger commented on 09 Apr 2016

+philbbg I'm sure there's also a fair share of Christian themed porn but i still prefer my daily dose of SJW maso mixed with hijab strapdom

Stirner Stuff91 commented on 03 Apr 2016

is this porn organic? are the actresses free range? lol jk good video though

zarkoff45 commented on 04 Apr 2016

+Jaki Benson No, many of these actresses have artificial ingredients like silicone.

Brandon Nobnarb commented on 30 Mar 2016

Wouldn't feminist porn be lesbian porn by definition?

Dyer commented on 08 Apr 2016

+Brandon Nobnarb not every feminist is a lesbian and viceversa.

Bungalo Bill commented on 27 Mar 2016

Now they have come up with feminist porn and ethical porn. These silly Ted Talks are comedy gold. Next on the list: Ethical Feminist Prostitution.

Tinyfată commented on 29 Mar 2016

+Bungalo Bill Ethical feminist prostitution is a thing. It's just prostitution in general that doesn't involve children, rape, or slavery. :P

Badly Drawn Turtle commented on 21 Mar 2016

What? Since when do people find hard-core porn before soft porn? In my experience, you have to look for that stuff. “Why don't we think of porn as educational?” Who are you talking about? And what is meant by educational? Porn is educational in the same way all media is educational; it teaches about concepts that exist and gives a perspective on how the creator and consumers think. If you're about to condemn porn for teaching things without a license, so help me… “But an actual understanding of what feminist porn is, and its message, is often left out of the conversation…” Wait, wait, wait. Message? In porn? The only consistent message in porn is ‘this is sensual; touch yourself’. That's what porn is. If you're trying to convey some other message, you aren't making porn, you're making some other sort of media that just so happens to have erotic overtones. “Feminists have been disagreeing about porn for a very long time.” So has the rest of society. This is merely evidence that feminism is properly a position on a single issue, not an ideology. “…and just as importantly, does this cater to women's needs in any way, shape, or form.” Again, we must pause for a ‘what?’ The depiction of violence and other forms of harsh treatment in porn is a legitimate issue to discuss (although I'm of the position that it doesn't encourage those behaviors in real life), but… what's this thing about catering to women's needs? There are two obvious things to point out here: 1. Women, although in smaller percentages, still watch porn in very large numbers, so clearly there are women who find what they want in it, which is to get off, which is the only thing porn is for. 2. If we ignore all of that and make the wild assumption that porn is only enjoyable for men and women get absolutely no benefit from it; that is in no way a reason to argue against it. Seeing something that you don't enjoy and arguing that therefore it shouldn't exist is just childish. “…and on top of that, a really skewed version of the male experience.” Maybe I'm misunderstanding this part, but did you just complain that porn is unrealistic? Duh; if it was realistic, it wouldn't get an audience. Like most forms of storytelling, it uses unlikely or exaggerated scenarios to invoke strong feelings in the viewer. “…I don't find it hot…” A very telling remark smack-dab in the middle of your list of things wrong with mainstream porn. Guess what: Other people do. It isn't up to you to judge what is and is not erotic for everyone else. “So feminists wanted to make porn that didn't portray women in this way that's really problematic, limited, and frankly very boring.” And that is their right. I'm sure there are people who prefer feminist porn. I note, however, that you are skimming over how earlier you said that a lot of the porn you encountered had these problems; implying that there was some porn that didn't have these problems even before feminist porn came about. This gets even funnier when you realize that feminist porn is still a minority of porn, so someone looking through porn today would find roughly the same distribution as she did. I can pretty safely say that the people making feminist porn will never outnumber the people making non-feminist porn. “…making feminist porn in an ethical way.” Halt! Insidious implications are afoot! The vast majority of porn is made in an ethical way; by consenting actors who are compensated for their work and who do not face negative repercussions in their daily lives. If porn is made in an unethical way, that's generally a case of taped rape (or in some cases, privacy intrusion), and we have the legal system for that. Playing this word game where you imply that most porn is unethical without having to directly defend the claim is disgusting. “Depicts real female pleasure/orgasms” …So actors aren't allowed to fake pleasure for the job. Oh, wait, males can still do it; it's just the women who have to actually get off while filming. I don't think these guys understand the nature of porn: The people filming it are doing work, not having fun. This isn't a private moment that you just happen to be watching, they are ACTING. This is like requiring that when someone gets injured in a movie it has to be real; no fake blood, stab that actor good! “A lot of mainstream porn has really unrealistic representations of female pleasure, and that's not doing anyone any favors.” 1. Again, porn is not supposed to be realistic. 2. It also has unrealistic representations of male pleasure, but you're just going to ignore that. 3. It's not supposed to do anyone ‘favors’. It's supposed to get people off. The proper approach here is to make it clear that porn is fiction, not try to change porn. “Has to depict real agency for all of the performers“ That's right, no porn about dom-sub relationships, hypnotism, bondage, or any of that line of fetish. Because who cares about the people who like that stuff, right? It's not like porn is fiction made for the purpose of pleasure… oh, wait. “More diverse representation of genders, sexualities, races, body types” Well, they're sure going for the niche markets. Good for them; as long as they don't expect the average white male heterosexual to enjoy the one with two fat gay Indians. There's a reason that some themes in porn are so common; it's what the average consumer likes to see. Let me emphasize here, I'm not being sarcastic about niche markets; the porn industry needs them because different people like different things. But the problem happens when someone decides that those niche porn videos should replace all of the other porn videos. There we go with the “ethically made” thing again. Again passed over without explaining what exactly she thinks is unethical about mainstream porn production. “It's porn that prioritizes enthusiastic consent.” Dom-sub themes are common in porn. Did you know this is because people like them? The actors' willing consent to participate is important. But requiring consent in the video itself is, frankly, ridiculous. You seem to be having trouble with this concept: Porn is fiction. Someone is not raped in a porn video any more than they are stabbed in a war movie. “It's porn that's made for all genders and sexualities.” If you mean at the same time, then you don't understand how porn works. Gay men are going to get off on different sorts of porn than gay women; this is true for all genders and sexualities, and can be expanded much further into the realm of fetishes, which are often quite unique to the individual.

Badly Drawn Turtle commented on 29 Mar 2016

+Oogy BoogyIt's what happens when I'm bored.

Oogy Boogy commented on 29 Mar 2016

Dissected her entire argument holy shit its like you bodied her and kept kickin the body.

Badly Drawn Turtle commented on 21 Mar 2016

+Badly Drawn Turtle “In mainstream porn, producers predetermine everything based on the profits they think they're going to get from an audience of straight white men.”Okay. So work on making porn for other groups of people. But you are acting as if the very act of catering to straight white men is wrong. What is wrong is an absence of material for other groups, not an abundance of material for any single group. These are two different things, which your sort seems to have trouble with seeing.“Feminist porn doesn't have this prearranged script,”So it's freestyle porn? This goes back to porn being fiction, and how you can't seem to wrap your head around that concept. Sure, film people having sex, but that's porn the way filming a fight on the street is an action movie.“and doesn't have the presumption of an all straight male audience.”Let's recall the fiction thing again. One of the most important things to decide before you make a story, before you even start writing the script, is who your audience is. This is especially important with porn, where different audiences want distinctly different things. The target audience is a necessary step here. Trying to make porn for everyone at once is just going to make mediocre content that nobody is interested in. It might make you feel all fuzzy inside to be completely inclusive in your porn making, but it's a horrible idea that disagrees with how reality works.“Feminist porn is ethically produced porn.”You going to elaborate on that this time? Oh, you are? Great!“Performers are paid a fair wage, their labor is valued, and their comfort, safety, and consent is valued and prioritized.”Sounds fantastic! Almost like… general rules about employment that should be enforced in all jobs. How is this feminist, specifically? And how widespread is this implied problem in the mainstream porn industry?“Feminist pornographers really like to link the porn they make to the organic fair-trade food movement.”So, that movement that ignores real science on the food industry in favor of scaring customers with unfounded assertions about the food in the supermarket and then making a profit off of the exact same products stamped with a meaningless ‘organic’ symbol? Those feminist pornographers should be more careful with what they associate with.“They're very into a collaborative process. Instead of a producer or director telling them you're going to do… instead of that, the performers are valued for their opinion.” description of an absolute lack of direction in the performance where the performers do anything they wantSay it with me folks: Porn is fiction. There's a reason why most movies aren't made with the actors just doing their own thing, but rather with a script and director and organization. Add 2 + 2 to see why her statement is ridiculous.“allowing them to explore their sexuality”Fiction. Fiction. Fiction. This isn't a private sex act for the benefit of the performers; they can do that on their own time. This is a product produced for consumption by other people. If a performer isn't comfortable with the sex acts they're told to do in front of the camera, then they shouldn't be in the porn industry; go get laid in private.“create this environment that was really safe for women to try out things and be free to do that.”You know what's coming: Fiction, not sexual exploration. Performers, not individuals on their own time.“They're only there to be fetishized”Bingo. Now for the part where you realize that you're talking about porn, and this is literally what porn is. If you want higher art, the porn industry isn't for you. It's like you're at a McDonald's flipping burgers, and you insist on making each and every patty fancy and gourmet. You're in the wrong job.“It's not necessarily softer than mainstream porn. A lot of feminist porn today does have elements of BDSM in it.”Seeing as this directly contradicts your previous comments on agency of all of the characters and being ‘ethically made’, you're not going to have an easy time convincing me of that. Sad that you quickly move on without really explaining how it isn't actually a contradiction. You just want us to believe you.“What's the point of all this?”Please, explain.“Porn has always acted as a kind of sex education.”Horrible start. First, porn has only existed in a recognizable form for a few centuries. Second, it has only become common enough in the last century or so for it to act as any kind of sex education. Third, just because it acts as a kind of sex education doesn't mean it should continue to do so; it makes much more sense to increase pressure on schools and parents to teach their kids properly. In other words, break the taboo against speaking about sex.“One of the most unique things about feminist porn is its ability to change culture and educate people.”I thought you said that all porn acts as a kind of education? Sounds like a contradiction there. But there's a much more important thing about this sentence: It seems to be setting up for some sort of push to replace all porn with feminist porn, because ‘think of the children’. You can make feminist porn all you want, but the moment you start trying to force other porn out, you're crossing the line. This had better not be what you mean.“It's often easier to access porn than it is to access comprehensive Sex Ed.”And you think this problem should be solved by putting sex ed in porn? It's an interesting idea, but I can tell you right now that it won't work, and that trying is bad (for a multitude of reasons). Again, the right approach is to increase access to comprehensive sex ed in schools and at home by breaking the taboo against sexual discussion.Current sex education sucksYes it does. We should improve it. Instead of, you know, trying to change an entire industry to do the role that schools and parents should be taking on.“The defense has often been given that, no matter how degrading or misogynistic porn is, it's fantasy, and in theory, sexually active adults should be able to tell the difference between their sexual reality and their sexual fantasies, in theory they should be able to assume that porn does not depict real sex. But what happens when people can't make that distinction because they've been denied a comprehensive sex ed that teaches them about sexual reality, and overstimulated by the fantasy that porn provides.”Bad things. Hence, we should work on improving sex education; and education in general, because anybody who doesn't realize porn is fantasy is missing critical thinking skills.”tying porn into education as a feminist action”I'm all for porn being used in sex education classes. But if you mean we should make all porn educational (because you know people are going to prefer the stuff that isn't), then no. That both would not work and should not be tried. It's as unrealistic as making all movies educational, or all video games.“So changing the way the media portrays something is in itself really educational.”There we go. She doesn't want to introduce a concept in addition to usual porn, she wants to replace it and make all porn feminist.In short, I am in complete agreement with her sentiment, but her specific ideas (apart from comprehensive sex education, which should be a national priority) are just… off.

PhazonSouffle commented on 20 Mar 2016

'Ohh I don't like it so it shouldn't be allowed!'

zarkoff45 commented on 04 Apr 2016

+PhazonSouffle She didn't say make it illegal (Gail Dines might do that), she is saying "make a better alternative." I doubt that they can. In the case of porn the popularity is reflected in the money it makes and I'm pretty sure that feminist porn will never compete with the "mainstream" porn that has made people like Sunny Leone and Jayden Jaymes millionaires.

Erd Tird Mans commented on 16 Mar 2016

To summarize this video: A meandering tour of tangential topics that wants to be a feminist rallying speech but instead reads like a college freshman's women's studies midterm paper. At no point does it show any causal links between its claims, nor does it address the obvious underlying economic question of why isn't there more "feminist" porn, probably because the answer is super boring: Women aren't watching much porn, and the handful that are actually like the stuff we already have. If there was\is a market for it, the it would have\will happen anyway. She could have saved herself a lot of time if she'd swapped one of her "Global Studies" classes for even half a semester of economics or *gasp* an actual science. Ironically, the thing I enjoyed most about this video was that she was attractive. I think her message was lost.

Eleni Papadopolous commented on 17 Mar 2016

+Erd Tird Mans But there is a huge feminist porn market and women ARE currently watching and needing porn o.o I don't get your point here.

Seena Kakar commented on 12 Mar 2016

It's very simple and doesn't need debate JUST FKING BAN PORN and yes PORN IS INHUMANE

Daulton Baird commented on 16 Mar 2016

+Seena Kakar Yes, but that's so much work .

Seena Kakar commented on 16 Mar 2016

+Daulton Baird no get them girlfriends or get them wives

Daulton Baird commented on 16 Mar 2016

+Seena Kakar Yes, but first you must send 96% of humans to the spay and neuter clinic .

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