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Cessna C-152 (full stall) landing
"As an experiment" - I put the digital camera (set to video) on a tripod - in the 'space' behind the two seats. Winds were light and the air was 'smooth'. There were ...
Having learned to fly at Spadaro's, I don't think I know any way to land a
plane other than a stall. One of my proudest achievemnts over there was to
put the engine in idle at 1,500' over the south shore (for a simulated
emergency landing), join the downwind for RWY 18, figure the right moment
to hook a U turn, set the plane down in a greaser fashion without using
flaps and coast all the way to the tiedown spot. Learning there wasn't
easy, but I've come to appreciate how that place hones skills.
Dude I'm sorry but this was not a full stall landing, as Icawood said, the
horn will go off anywhere from 5 to 10 knots before the stall (I've seen it
go at 20 above on a gusty day). Also, a full stall landing is the term
given to a type of tail-dragger landing where the pilot floats the aircraft
until the stall at which point all three wheels (two main and the tail)
touch down simultaneously. This ensures that you won't bounce back into the
air or porpoise, which of course can be devastating.
@oibal60 Hi Gerry, I think we have more in common than I suspected since I
did my first and a few more skydives at Spadaro's too around the same time
period, but I got my real training at The Ranch in Gardiner NY. Learning to
fly has been a recent undertaking for me and Bart did most of the training
(yelling in my ear). Doing solos there was particularly interesting because
you never know when skydivers might be coming in forcing a go-around just
as you're on final. I'm ready for my checkride.
Sorry, to call that a "full stall" is misleading. When an airplane stalls,
either one wing drops, or the nose drops. Neither of which happened to this
airplane. The stall warning horn is usually set several kts above the
published stall speed @ MGW. Just because the stall warning horn is going
off, doesn't mean the airplane has stalled. To teach, or even advertise,
that the airplane is stalling during a landing like that is just plain
inaccurate. Nice landing, it just isn't a full stall!
Hi, Yes, I put two 'shortened' legs - of the tripod into each of the 'map
pockets' of the two front seats. The remaining leg - of the tripod - was
just placed/adjusted in the 'dead space' behind the seats. I then put my
heavy flight-bag right-smack-dab underneath the tripod and 'attached' it to
all three legs via a bungee cord. Then I adjusted the vertical shaft so
that the camera was at the 'proper level' - just high enuf to get a view of
the panel/outside and clear of my bobbing head!
@maxbedford1987 There's really no need for your attitude, I'm very aware of
when and why the stall warning horn goes off and although I shouldn't have
to justify it to you, I've flown from LSAs through King Airs. Also, the
conditions for which the stall horn can go off as much as 20 kt above
actual stall speed are created often on approach into a headwind and with
full flaps. Experiencing low level wind shear in the flare can create a
rapid change in relative airspeed over the wing.
@oibal60 Of course you are right. But it is true that the term "full stall
landing" conventionally describes a tail-dragger landing of the sort
described. Upon watching the video again it's certainly possible that he
did get the aircraft to stall prior to touchdown, but as I said, it's
difficult to say for sure because the stall horn will go early.
@airste172 Ha! Small world! I've been a member of The Ranch since 1994. I
just recently attended the '30th anniversary' this past weekend. Bumped
into Skinner, Bruce Chapman, Levent/Sonic, etc. We're still the same bunch
...only with gray hair! Gerry D-19579 P.S. Good luck with the check-ride,
and, always remember, YOU are PIC !
Mere inches off the ground my friend ...and also slowly descending
...bleeding off airspeed and energy. The high-nose pitch/attitude (courtesy
of the camera lens on top of the instrument cluster) gives the impression
of 'height' but it's the WHEELS/TIRES 'way below' that's gonna contact the
ground.
I can't think of a more satisfying way to end a flight than to have the
stall warning come on just as you flare, and then the sound of the tyres
contacting the runway on touch down. Really brings a smile to my face when
that happens. Of course, not all my flights ended so sweetly though.
@kciRsnurB the stall warning operates by a change in pressure distribution
on the wing, not airspeed. stalls can occur at high airspeeds. the stall
warning is set to warn that critical angle of attack is approaching.
critical (stalling) angle of attack is not affect by weight.
@linoleumcarving I haven't shot any of them down yet. It is in the plan
though. What makes them float and go so fast is...money. If you have enough
money, you can make something to float in the air and go fast too.
@airste172 Hi, Well, having learned to skydive at Spadaro's (1991), I will
attest that EITHER runway is indeed "challenging". To be able to put it
down "just managing your energy" is indeed a feat! Kudos! Gerry
yea i have a video just like this but I dont like the stall warning going
off unless im actually like 1 inch off the ground. Check out my video, the
stall warning goes off and i touch down at the same moment.
@maxbedford1987 Also, if you read my comment again you'll notice I was
referring to porpoising being potentially devastating, not bouncing. This
is especially true in tail-wheel aircraft.
Great Job!!!!!!! I noticed you hang out at the ranch... I fly out of MGJ
and have to dodge skydivers all the time when FSS doesn't get the memo
lol.... Anyways that was a sweet landing.
Aaaaah, Spadaros! Learned to skydive there back, ummm, in 1993 (Ray
Maynard, Dale Hanson...). (MIAS, KHWV), where I rent from, have a 3,000'
paved restriction - for insurance purposes.
@linoleumcarving Yes, I see them all the time when they are far, as they
get closer, they become IFO and we talk to them. We also study them when
they crash. thanks for question.
è l'avvisatore di stallo che suona..il che avviene 5-10 kts prima dello
stallo..quindi non E' IN PIENO STALLO:) e cmq ogni atterraggio è un micro
stallo!...ciao
Hi, Thanx! What can I say, I've been exposed, over the years, to several
REALLY GOOD instructors! ...and, yep, practice is an important ingredient
too! Gerry