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A man in Switzerland was planning on joining the pope's Swiss Guard at the Vatican but he was converted to Christ instead. To learn more about this please click on the "view reply" to this comment below.
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+CAnswersTV As many of you already know last year in 2014 we learned of a young French woman Camille Jolly who came to Christ after watching our videos on YouTube dealing with Roman Catholicism while living outside of Paris, France & was so excited about it she took a three week cargo boat ride across the Atlantic Ocean to visit us here in Austin, Texas. We have several videos about this fascinating situation, just type "Camille Jolly CAnswersTV" in the YouTube search box to hear her tell her story. This year in 2015 we've come to find out about another exciting conversion to Christ & away from apostate Romanism via our videos posted on YouTube against Roman Catholicism. This time it was our series of debates between James White & Dr. Robert Fastiggi that we had posted on YouTube that led a man in Switzerland to come to the true & living Lord Jesus Christ by the sovereign grace of God. What's fascinating about this story is the young Swiss man was preparing to serve in the Swiss Guard for the pope at the Vatican. Someone called into James White's podcast "The Dividing Line" on September 25, 2015 and asked James White about a person who was planning to join the pope's Swiss Guard at the Vatican but was instead recently converted to Christ after watching James White's 4 part 4 hour televised series of debates with Dr. Robert Fastiggi. This debate took place in Austin, Texas back in 1994 although the "almost" Swiss Guard recently viewed it on YouTube. To hear more about this please see James White's video called "Just a Little Conversation on the Pope, Lindy West’s Hatred of Life, and a Call from Chris Arnzen" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHja4AHHSI. The four part debate series between James White & Robert Fastiggi can be found at the following: "IS THE ROMAN POPE WITHOUT ERROR? - PAPAL INFALLIBILITY DEBATE: JAMES WHITE VS. ROBERT FASTIGGI" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHEGCpTjulM; "DO ROMAN CATHOLIC INDULGENCES REALLY FORGIVE SINS? DEBATE - JAMES WHITE VS. ROBERT FASTIGGI" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D91y5sxUv5o; "Is the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Virgin Mary Biblical? Debate - James White vs. Robert Fastiggi" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdYaeYdJW4 & "HIGHLIGHTS & FULL DEBATE: JUSTIFICATION BEFORE GOD - DR JAMES WHITE VS. DR ROBERT FASTIGGI (#1 OF 4)" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPXCRKMLuI. Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers of Austin, Texas had previously debated Dr. Robert Fastiggi in 1992 in the same Austin TV studio & that 2 hour debate can be found at: "DOES ROMAN CATHOLICISM PREACH A DIFFERENT GOSPEL? DEBATE #1: LARRY WESSELS VS. ROBERT FASTIGGI" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvpsdh5S9jg & "DOES ROMAN CATHOLICISM PREACH A DIFFERENT GOSPEL? DEBATE #2: LARRY WESSELS VS. ROBERT FASTIGGI" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZmvTHwRW7c. Jude 21-25
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Dear brothers; is it not probable that the Lord and His disciples ate the evening meal first, then the “shared sop” with Judas took place, at which time Judas left and the Lord then initiated the “Lords Supper” after the betrayer was no longer present to partake of this meal? That’s the way I’ve always imagined the sequence of events to be…
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+ConnerMcDonald1 Very interesting question. I had to do an internet search to get some help on this one. Here you go - "Did Judas Take Communion Before Betraying Jesus? A Few Say That He Did But What Do the Scriptures Reveal? The very short answer to this question is no, Judas did not take communion. But some now insist that he fully partook. How may one employ scripture to demonstrate the truth on this to others? There are a few things to take into account here: Judas Went To The Chief Priests Before The Last Supper. Then one of the Twelve - the one called Judas Iscariot -went to the chief priests (Matthew 26:14).Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them. (Mark 14:10).Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.  (Luke 6:16).Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.  And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus.  They were delighted and agreed to give him money.  He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.  (Luke 22:3-6).John tells us more:After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, "Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me." His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant.  One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him.  Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, "Ask him which one he means." Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, "Lord, who is it?" Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.  As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."  But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.  Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor.  (John 13:21-29). So Judas, the  treasurer, being disappointed at the ointment not being sold for money, sought another way to satisfy his greed;  this happened before the Lord's Supper inauguration of Holy Communion had taken place, although all had eaten some of the supper by this point. Luke   presents these things a little differently:When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.  And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.  For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."  After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you.  For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."  (Luke 22:14-18).Let us be clear that it is not  disputed this was the Last Supper/Passover or that Judas at least partly  partook of it. The statement about not drinking the fruit of the vine in this Passover sequence, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God, is also found in the Lord's Supper sequence in Matthew 26:29 and Mark 14:25.   Now we must go a little further in  Luke 22: And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."  In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.  But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table.  The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!"  They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.  (Luke 22:19-23).Luke Tends to List Events by   Subject, Rather Than in Time Order. In Luke's gospel, several incidents are recounted according to subject matter rather than being presented in the  order in which they actually occurred. This is clear in the narrative of the baptism of Christ.  Luke mentions the story of John the Baptist, his sermons, his preaching for repentance by baptism, and his baptizing of the multitude in the Jordan River. He then mentions that King Herod arrested John the Baptist and shut him up in prison, because John had rebuked  him for his marriage to Herodias, his brother Philip's wife. It is well known, as mentioned in the gospels, that Christ was baptized by John in the Jordan before he was shut up in prison, and before John's martyrdom which followed his imprisonment.  However,  Luke, after mentioning the imprisonment of John, continues saying, "When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened.  And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him." (Luke 3:21-22). It is evident that Saint Luke wanted it to be understood that Jesus was baptized in the presence of the multitude, who were baptized by John before John's imprisonment.  However, he mentions this incident when he started speaking about the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. The ministry of Christ followed His baptism and His going out into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.  Before this, the physician Luke retold the story of John the Baptist, including what Herod had done to him.  So, he plainly adhered to the subject matter rather than to the sequential order of the events.  In other words, Luke tends to narrate a whole subject before shifting on to another.  This is not unusual, and does not contradict the accounts of biblical events presented by the other evangelists; this is simply Luke's manner of writing. The same  applies to Luke's narrative of the Last Supper.  He mentions the betrayal of Judas after he had written of the events relating to both the Jewish Passover and the Lord's Supper.  As a consequence, some believe that Judas was present during the institution of the Eucharist; but the gospel of Luke does not mention that Judas participated in the Lord's Supper, or that he was present. Putting all of  the Gospel  accounts together, Judas was plainly not present when eucharist/communion was inaugurated (from its foundation in the Passover, of course). Only the Lukan account, then,  is open to a different reading but understanding Luke's writing style helps us to understand better.Okay, back to the Lord's Supper:Now, the very next thing that happens after the dividing of the cup among them is the breaking of bread and distributing it to the disciples. By the way, 'dividing of the cup' would simply mean that a large cup or chalice contained all the wine which was divided into smaller drinking vessels/chalices for each disciple. It is here that some believe that with   Judas' hand on the table, he must have fully partaken of the first communion, but we must look closer. But  there is an admitted difficulty, here, in the fact that Judas' hand was plainly on the table at the point at which   Jesus explains what the bread is (His body given for them) and what the cup is (the blood of the new covenant/testament). But we should carefully note   that Jesus has not, at this point, yet told the disciples  to eat the bread or drink the cup; Jesus only distributes it and makes it ready to be partaken. So Luke here seems to  offer a summarized view, based on various topics, rather than a detailed point-by-point strict time-sequence account. If we only had Luke we might well believe that it was after inauguration of communion that Judas left; we just have to understand the way that Luke writes, placing a lower priority on the time sequence of events; then we must look at the other Gospel accounts.After the foot washing, they come back to the table for the sop dipping and fellowship and also for the comment that one is to betray Jesus, who is the one who dipped the sop with the Lord Jesus. Indications are that it was at this point that Jesus tells Judas that it is indeed Judas who is the traitor and that what Judas is about to do, he should   do quickly.What is a 'Sop'?Okay, it is time to define exactly what a 'sop' is:This refers to something  which is dipped/put  into   a sauce, paste or liquid. Today in the UK we have 'dips' which might be a sort of sauce, salad dressing, or possibly humus. A  piece of bread, or maybe crispbread, or a cracker, is dipped into such a mixture, this sometimes serves as an appetizer before a full  meal is served, though it sometimes may occur after a main meal.  Whatever is dipped into the mixture is the 'sop.' In the case of Judas, if this was bread or unleavened bread, his dipping of this obviously did not constitute the ceremonial  'taking of bread' which only occurred much later. Judas   leaves immediately after receiving and  dipping   the sop, the prelude to the partaking of the ceremonial Lord's supper that was already prepared and set in front of the disciples ready to be partaken. Placing Judas At The Last Supper: When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve.  While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me - one who is eating with me." They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, "Surely you don't mean me?"  "It is one of the Twelve," he replied, "one who dips bread into the bowl with me.  The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is my body." Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, and they all drank from it.  "This is my blood of the  covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.  "Truly I tell you, I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God." When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.  (Mark 14:17-26).To summarize, we can place Judas at the Passover, and at the table, and at his dipping of the sop.  But we should note that sop-dipping is not part of the Lord's Supper/Communion! But  we cannot place Judas as eating or drinking the communion elements. It was after the  meal, and the foot washing, that  Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper;  Judas was no longer there  by then. The remainder of the apostles listened to some more preaching from Jesus  and then sung a hymn and went to the Mount of Olives. Fully backing up the explanation which we are developing, John states the following:The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.  Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;  so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist.  After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.  He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?" Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand." "No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet." Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me." "Then, Lord," Simon Peter replied, "not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!" Jesus answered, "Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you."  For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.  When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them.  "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.  Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet.  I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.  Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.  Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. "I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: 'He who shared my bread has turned against me.'   "I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.  Very truly I tell you, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me." After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, "Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me." His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant.  One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him.  Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, "Ask him which one he means." Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, "Lord, who is it?" Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.   So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly." But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.  Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor.  As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night. When he was gone, Jesus said, "Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him." (John 13:2-31).It appears that The Book of John gives all the sequence, including the foot washing that the other Gospels do not give (with the exception of the account of the Lord's supper, which is instituted after Judas is gone out, after receiving the 'sop').  Also, Judas would clearly not have heard Jesus' expounding of the truth of the Gospel  between John 13:31 and John 18:1. Then Jesus prays in the garden, while his disciples slept. At this juncture, Judas guides the Lord's enemies to Jesus. So all the indications are that Judas was initially present at the Last Supper and did eat at least the first part of the meal, if not most of the meal, but after breads were dipped into 'dips,' or sauces, Judas immediately left. Judas was clearly not present as the full meaning of the New Testament/New Covenant was expounded by Jesus.Final Sequence of EventsSo we may arrive at a sequence of events of that fateful evening: 1. Judas went to the Chief priests to betray Jesus for money (Matt. 26:14; Mark 14:10; Luke 23:2-6). 2. The disciples all ate at least  the initial part of the Passover Supper (Mark 14:17; Luke 22:14). 3. After the intial part of the Passover Supper was ended, the devil puts it in Judas' heart to betray Jesus; Jesus washes all their feet (John 13:2-11). 4. They were told that they were not all clean, a clear reference to  Judas. (John 13:11).  5. All, or a few of them, sat  back down  at the table to dip  sops. (John 13:12, 28). 6. The disciples are then told  that one of them would betray Jesus. (John 13:21). 7. They ask, including Judas, "Is it I?" and who it was. (Matt. 26:25; John 13:22-25). 8. They are  told that the one that dips his   'sop' with Jesus would be His betrayer. (John 13:26; Mark 14:18-20). 9. Judas is told that he is the one and given the 'sop.' (John 13:27, 30). 10. After being given the sop, Judas IMMEDIATELY goes out from them and goes to the chief priests. (John 13:30). 11. Jesus institutes the Lord's Supper/Christian Communion  with the eleven. (Matt. 26:26; Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:19-20). Judas is no longer present.  12. Jesus Expounds upon the meaning of His life and the Gospel (John 13:31 to John 18:1). 13. The eleven sing a Hymn (Mark 14:46). 14. The eleven go out to the Mount of Olives and the Garden of Gethsemane (John 18:1; Luke 22:39). 15. Judas takes Jesus' enemies to Him, betraying him with a kiss (Matt. 26:47; Mark 14:43; Luke 22:47, 48; Acts 1:16; John 18:2-5). 16. Judas repents and hangs himself  (Matt. 27:3; Acts 1:25). ConclusionJudas was indeed present at the Last Supper, but Judas was not present at the full revelation of its meaning. He heard that there would be ceremonial bread and wine, probably saw it, but never actually partook  of that  bread and wine as a religious expression of faith in Jesus because he had already left before that stage was reached. In short, it seems clear that Judas had no part in the first ever Christian communion service.Robin A. Brace. November 30th, 2011. " 1 Peter 3:15
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Lots of good points you guys make here, but about the eating and drinking of Jesus' body and blood, didn't Christ say in John 6:52 "…52Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" 53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.…" What does Born Again Bob have to say about that?
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"Born Again Rob" was in a debate with a Romanist priest on this issue of the eucharist & you can hear what he had to say about it by watching "Is Eucharist Transubstantiation Biblical or Fictional? Debate #1 - Rob Zins vs. Patrick McCafferty" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcdF0SV7plc & "Does the Catholic Eucharist Really Get Rid of Your Sins? Debate #2 - Rob Zins vs. Patrick McCafferty" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2Do8qlUIU. For quick reference here is what Biblical scholar John Gill says about these vereses: John 6:52, The Jews therefore strove among themselvesFell to cavilling and disputing one among another; some understanding Christ, and others not; some being for him, and vindicated what he said; and others being against him, and who were the majority, objected,saying how can this man give us his flesh to eat?which is to be understood, not physically, but as morally impossible and unlawful; since, with the Jews, it was not lawful to eat the flesh of any creature alive, and much less the flesh of man; for the Jews understood Christ of a corporeal eating of his flesh, being strangers to a figurative or spiritual eating of it by faith, in which sense he meant it.John 6:53, Then Jesus said unto themThe Jews, who were litigating this point among themselves:verily, verily, I say unto you;or you may assure yourselves of the truth of what follows,except ye eat the flesh of the son of man, and drink his blood, yehave no life in you:by "the son of man", Christ means himself; under which title he often speaks of himself; because it was a title of the Messiah under the Old Testament; and was expressive of the truth of his human nature, though as attended with weakness and infirmities. The "flesh" and "blood" of Christ do not design those distinct parts of his body; much less as separate from each other; nor the whole body of Christ, but his whole human nature; or Christ, as having united a perfect human nature to him, in order to shed his blood for the remission of sin, and to offer up his soul and body a sacrifice for it: and the eating of these is not to be understood of a corporeal eating of them, as the Capernaites understood them; and since them the Papists, who affirm, that the bread and wine in the Lord's supper are transubstantiated into the very body and blood of Christ, and so eaten: but this is not to be understood of eating and drinking in the Lord's supper, which, as yet, was not instituted; and some, without participating of this, have spiritual life in them now, and will enjoy eternal life hereafter; and all that partake of that ordinance have not the one, nor shall have the other: and besides, having a principle of spiritual life in the soul, is previously necessary to a right eating of the supper of the Lord. These words, understood in this sense, once introduced infants to the Lord's supper; as misinterpretation of ( John 3:5 ) brought in the baptism of them. But the words design a spiritual eating of Christ by faith. To eat the flesh, and drink the blood of Christ, is to believe that Christ is come in the flesh, and is truly and really man; that his flesh is given for the life of his people, and his blood is shed for their sins, and this with some view and application to themselves: it is to partake of, and enjoy the several blessings of grace procured by him, such as redemption, pardon, peace, justification and such a feeding upon him as is attended with growth in grace, and in the knowledge of him, and is daily to be repeated, as our corporeal food is, otherwise persons have no life in them: without this there, is no evidence of life in them; not such live as feed on sinful pleasures, or on their own righteousness; only such that believe in Christ are living souls; and without this there is nothing to support life; everything else that a man eats tends to death; but this is what will maintain and preserve a spiritual life; and without this there is no just expectation of eternal life; but where there is this, there is good reason to expect it, and such shall enjoy it: some copies and versions read, "ye shall not have life in you"; eternal life. Now, though the acts of eating and drinking do not give the right to eternal life, but the flesh, blood, and righteousness of Christ, which faith lays hold, and feeds upon; yet it is by faith the right is claimed; and between these acts of faith, and eternal life, there is an inseparable connection.John 6:54, Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my bloodSpiritually by faith, as explained in the preceding verse:hath eternal life;the principle of spiritual life, which is evidently implanted in him, as appears from his eating and drinking; and is a durable and lasting principle: grace is an incorruptible seed; every part of it is abiding and permanent; and it is itself the beginning, pledge, and earnest of everlasting life, and is inseparably connected with it: moreover, such have eternal life itself, not only in Christ their head, but in themselves: they have a right unto it, and a meetness for it: and may be assured of it, as if they were personally possessed of it, from their election to it; the security of it in Christ; from the grace they have received, which is the beginning of glory; and the earnest of it in themselves:and I will raise him up at the last day;to enjoy it in soul and body; (See Gill on John 6:39), (See Gill on John 6:40).Rob Zins' website is www.CWRC-RZ.org. Former Romanist priest for 22 years Richard Bennett's website is www.BereanBeacon.org. 1 Peter 3:15
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This is in response to a "Charismatic Catholic" who attacked our video "Blasphemous Charismatic & Pentecostal Mayhem #2: A Hyped Circus, Sham Unity, Charismatic Catholics" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BWQeCkFfM&list=UUQ_EDvOtDAAWfCvGUhd6y3A & said "I have seen miracles and healing all in Jesus name such as vision restored & legs grew and have became even with the other leg." Vision & longer leg problems are typical ploys used by so-called "healers." Why don't these charismatic "healers" raise the dead & heal everyone at the hospitals, especially in the terminally ill wards? Why don't these charismatic "healers" heal the way Jesus healed in the Bible? Charismatic "healings," especially at their money making "miracle healing crusades," have no basis in Biblical reality. Sorry but you have been deluded by either equally deluded false prophets or intentionally deceitful religious con men. To begin with Roman Catholics are not true Christians since they believe a false gospel of salvation & thus are under God's curse (Galatians 1:6-10, see an article on this by former RC priest for 22 years Richard Bennett at //www.bereanbeacon.org/article/sorted/01_On_Catholicism/Are_Catholics_Christians.pdf). Two items that come in handy in knowing about when Romanists argue that anything said against the Roman "church" is not the truth is to tell them about the following two items: 1. The following website is by self proclaimed Roman Catholics following the so-called "true church" (in other words their Roman church is their true savior not the Biblical Jesus Christ) at //www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/. These Romanists destroy the new Romanists since the invention of Vatican 2 in 1965. They present great information proving modern Romanism & their popes (they call them anti-popes) to be a false & apostate religion. It doesn't get much better than this when one group of apostate Romanists attack another brand of apostate Romanists in order to prove to the world they are false! 2. Our video "The Homosexual Pope, Priests, Universalists, Evolutionists & Disunited Roman Catholic Apologists" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hThonwrX6QU&list=PLFFA8D69D1B914715 proves from Roman Catholic sources themselves that one of their popes was a practicing homosexual, that almost 50% of Roman Catholic priests are homosexuals (for more on this see our video "FORMER ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST SAYS CHURCH OF ROME HAS A FALSE GOSPEL & WIDESPREAD HOMOSEXUALITY" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4C-nBQ3mE), that the Roman church buys the theory of evolution which denies the first eleven chapters of Genesis in the Bible (see our playlist "Dealing with Darwin's Metaphysical Evolution Religion" with 21 videos at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0703E78058346A52), that Pope John Paul II kissed the Muslim Qur'an & said Islam has the same god as Roman Catholics have (see the videos "Top Ten Reasons Muhammad Is Not a Prophet" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8sZ1JyP1A, "Ten MORE Reasons Muhammad Is Not a Prophet" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4p7HuuhF8k, "50 Reasons Muhammad Was Not a Prophet (in Under Five Minutes)" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3f15NXrLI, "David Wood: Five Reasons the Quran Is Not the Word of God" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvlzlBov9zc, "Who Killed Muhammad?" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM, "Why Did Muhammad Wear Women's Clothing?" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-50CraaniT0; also see www.AnsweringMuslims.com & www.MuslimHope.com) & how Roman Catholic apologists are at each others' throats because of the vast differences within Romanism itself. Besides all that see the following websites for detailed information on Romanism & how it is a counterfeit religion at www.BereanBeacon.org, www.CWRC-RZ.org & //www.mtc.org/. Our playlist "Dealing with Roman Catholicism, Idolatry & the Virgin Mary" currently has 122 videos refuting Romanism at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFFA8D69D1B914715. Remember Titus 1:9-16, "9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."). Next, what you thought were "healings" were not true Biblical healings at all ("How to Fake a Healing" by Caroline Weerstra - "Pentecostals often remain in Pentecostalism despite many misgivings for one simple reason: the healings. They may admit that many of the practices and teachings are unbiblical. They may confess that there is rampant abuse and manipulation. But they shake off the doubts because they have seen so many supernatural events--people stand up out of wheelchairs, back pain healed, etc. And so they wonder, "If this is really so bad, why are so many people being healed? Isn't it all worth it if sick people are being restored to health?" However, Pentecostal church services are all about showmanship and appearance. It is surprisingly easy to fake healings, even to hold entire healing services in which people appear to be 'healed' all over the church and yet no one is really cured. How is this accomplished? The trick is usually, as Miracle Max said in the quote above, to focus on problems which can be resolved some way other than strictly supernaturally, to learn to 'heal' those who are only partly ill or can be made to seem well when they are not. Let's examine some of the most common 'healing' tricks in the Pentecostal experience: (a) Bigfoot Sightings. Perhaps the largest category of fake healings is what I call "Bigfoot Sightings", because, like the mythical Bigfoot, all that is known about these healings is that somebody else swears that they saw them and that they are real. Most often, it is the pastor or a visiting evangelist who relates stories of healings that occurred somewhere else. When these 'healings' are described in great detail to excited crowds, people tend to forget that they never actually witnessed the event and have no reason to believe that it actually occurred. In the retelling of the story, people often relate the healing as though they witnessed it themselves. It is only upon careful questioning that the truth emerges: nobody actually saw this one; it was just a story told to the group by some convincing-sounding guy with a microphone. EXAMPLE: Evangelist/ missionary David Hogan often uses this technique. Every time he speaks to groups, he claims to have raised 400+ people from the dead and performed many amazing miracles. Although he relates many incredible stories, he never actually performs miracles at his meetings . . . he just talks about all the miracles that he supposedly performed somewhere else. Hogan's fans often describe him as a great man of God who heals the sick and raises the dead. When directly asked, however, they admit that they have never actually seen Hogan do any miracles. The only reason they have to believe that Hogan has ever performed any miracles is that Hogan himself claims that he has. (b) "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" Occasionally, 'healings' are fakes, plain and simple. Many evangelists believe that seeing people apparently get healed raises the level of faith of the parishioners and so opens the door for real healings. They use this as an excuse to orchestrate healing shows that are planned in advance simply to shock and amaze the crowd. EXAMPLE: It is difficult to say how often this technique is used, because evangelists who employ it are usually quite careful to cover their tracks. However, occasionally, scandals open up that allow a glimpse inside such misdealings. One of the best known examples of the intentional and calculated use of fake healings involved cult leader Jim Jones. Jones began his ill-fated career as a Pentecostal revivalist and healer. One of his favorite techniques involved healing people of 'cancer' by apparently removing chunks of foul-smelling material from their bodies that he claimed were the cancerous tissues. People's Temple insiders later confessed that the 'cancers' were actually rotten chicken livers, produced at the appropriate time during the church service with a little slight-of-hand. (c) MOSTLY disabled or ALL disabled? One of the most obvious and most popular techniques used by faith healers is based upon a popular misunderstanding of disabilities. When someone is in a wheelchair, people tend to assume that the person cannot walk AT ALL. This is rarely the case. Most people in wheelchairs can stand and even walk a little, just not far and not well. Likewise, when a person is said to be blind or deaf, people tend to assume that the person cannot see or hear AT ALL. Again, this is rarely the case. Most blind people can see a little, just not very well, and most people who are 'deaf' are really only partially deaf. This explains why many 'miracles' that occur in faith-healing services appear to be only partial healings. A healer may tell someone in a wheelchair to stand and walk. The person shakily stands and limps painfully across the stage. The crowd cheers, because they think that this is amazing progress and that the person is on his or her way to a full recovery. But, in fact, it may be no improvement at all. Likewise, many healers will test a healing of a blind person by holding up a handkerchief and asking the person to grab it. When the blind person is able to take hold of the handkerchief, the crowd is amazed, not realizing that there is nothing remarkable about a partly blind person being able to see a large white object held only inches from his or her face. EXAMPLE: This is one of the most common healing techniques and is used by many, many faith healers. One of the best known examples is Peter Popoff, who used a few trusted collegues to scout for healing candidates among the crowds that came to his healing services. Popoff's scouts always asked people in wheelchairs if they could walk a little or not at all. Any that could walk a little were called up to the front for 'healing' during the subsequent service. The technique was exposed by skeptic James Randi who placed actors in the audience to claim that they had disabilities. Randi's actors were interviewed by Popoff's scouts, and the information transmitted to Popoff via a radio transmitter. Randi intercepted and recorded the transmissions, which fed Popoff information on various audience members, including which of them would make good 'healing' candidates. (d) The Placebo Effect. Many so-called 'healings' are extremely subjective. People are most often 'healed' of rather vague conditions that are not visible, such as chronic back pain. A person who suffers from this condition may get caught up in the excitement of the healing service and may even experience a lesser degree of pain for a while, due to his or her earnest desire to be healed which can, for a while, lead them to believe that a healing has taken place. However, often the pain returns shortly after the healing service ends. EXAMPLE: The HBO documentary "Question of a Miracle" follows several people who were supposedly healed by Benny Hinn. (As it turned out, none of them actually were healed). One of these cases involved a man who suffered from severe pain in his hip joints and needed surgical intervention. The man claimed that during the healing service he was totally healed and freed from pain. He even demonstrated this by doing exercises on-stage at Hinn's direction--squatting, bending, etc, all while claiming to feel no pain at all. However, the pain returned shortly after the healing service ended, and the man still suffers the exact same condition and still needs surgery. (e) The Rain Dance. A surprising number of 'healings' are actually simply a matter of people taking credit for natural events, as though they were supernatural phenomena. I cannot even count the number of times I have heard people claim to be healed of the common cold. And yet, recovering from a cold is something that everyone does dozens of times in their lifetime--there is nothing supernatural about a recovery (even a speedy recovery) from such a condition. Similarly, many cancer 'healings' are actually the result of extensive medical treatment that has resulted in remission. Sometimes health situations are somewhat more complex and yet just as likely to result in spontaneous improvement or medically-assisted recovery. Some heart conditions that occur in childhood usually do spontaneously improve, some neurological or muscular conditions can make sudden and remarkable improvement, especially with medical treatment and/or physical therapy. But this is often overlooked by Pentecostal crowds eager for a good healing story. In all my years as a Pentecostal, as many healing stories as I heard, I never heard of one case of someone being healed of Down Syndrome. In fact, in my experience, Pentecostals never even pray for healing for someone with Down Syndrome, and so, by avoiding these cases, they tacitly acknowledge that they did not really think it likely that someone with a truly PERMANENT condition would be "healed". EXAMPLE: I used this technique many times myself. Specifically, I recall giving testimony (at various times in my Pentecostal life) that I had been healed of a sprained wrist, a headache, a backache, and several other mundane conditions. In retrospect, I have to admit that these were faked. Although I did not intend to fake, I wanted to see healings to badly that I started claiming that every recovery was a 'healing'. For example, when I suffered a very slight wrist sprain while roller skating, I prayed that God would heal my wrist. When, the next morning, the wrist stopped hurting, I claimed that it had been healed. We do well to look at ALL Pentecostal and Charismatic healing claims through highly skeptical eyes. Pentecostal and Charismatic leaders have a compelling reason to lie and exaggerate their 'healing' claims: miracle stories gather followers and increase financial support. Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are full of desperate people who want to see miracles and who are eager to believe every wild tale and to interpret every event supernaturally. Ask difficult questions. Demand difficult healings. If Benny Hinn, David Hogan, or any other 'faith healer' can really call down the power of God to heal a backache . . . well, they should be able to heal Down Syndrome, regrow amputated limbs, etc. And let's not take their word for it . . . let's have it on videotape so that everyone can see and marvel. If the faith healers can't do this . . . well, it's time we ask ourselves why." See also "Lying Charismatics and Healing Fraud" By David J. Stewart - I've been reading a helpful book by Pastor Hugh F. Pyle exposing the fake Charismatic healing frauds; such as Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn and thousands of others. The title of the book is: The TRUTH about TONGUES and the CHARISMATIC movement. The book is available from the Sword of the Lord. The following excerpt is taken from Chapter 15, titled, “Charismatics and Healing” . . . How genuine is the healing of the healers? I am now looking at a letter written by Oral Roberts who says: As I write these words, wave after wave of God's healing power is flooding through me. My hands feel as if there is a supernatural heat in them; my right hand is especially hot right now. Oral goes on to describe his conversation with God—actually quoting the words God says to him out loud. He declares that God told him to send each prayer partner a swatch of new cloth with the imprint of Oral's hot hand upon it, and they could place their hand on the imprint of Robert's hand and actually feel his healing touch. He then goes on to say that God told him to ask his prayer partners for more money to finish his “City of Faith.” Then he goes on to feel great sorrow for the finances of his “hurting” prayer partners who need a new miracle; so it seems God told him to have his prayer partners each send him $38 for one square foot of the project as a blessing pact covenant with God. Oral assures his partners that he is “so anointed by God, I can hardly write. Your swatch of new cloth is now ready.” I'm sure great numbers of people got together the $38 to send in to get the imprint of the hot hand of Oral Roberts. Another time Roberts got his followers to donate more than $5 million for cancer research since the evangelist told them he “had God's promise to cure the disease.” This was well over five years ago. Oral got his $5 million, but we have not seen any more evidence of his promised cure for cancer. Yet he told his gullible audience, “This is not Oral Roberts talking, but the Spirit of God through him.” One year earlier, Oral Roberts went to the Alhambra Community Hospital in California for eye surgery. After building his multi-million dollar hospital in Tulsa, one wonders why he went to California for his surgery. Also why did a healer like Roberts, who trains and associates with other healers, need surgery anyway? The Bible says there were (and are) just “twelve apostles of the Lamb” (Rev. 21:14). Yet Richard Roberts refers to his dad as an apostle, as do others of his followers. This can give rise to the divine “prophecies” he makes like the one stating that God would “call him home” if he did not raise $8 million from his subjects in 1987. Mike Randall, writing in the Baptist Bible Tribune, stated that, if he did not get the $8 million, it would be the first time ever recorded that God killed one of His servants for not raising enough money! Truly the “signs of an apostle” were done by the apostles (2nd Cor. 12:12), not by the cheap imitations of the twentieth century. Some years back “healing evangelist” A.A. Allen told his radio audience, “If you are sick, if you have a cancer, it's because there is a sin in your life. Get rid of your sin and you get rid of your cancer.” That same man died in San Francisco, having gone there to be treated for an arthritic knee. Yet the coroner reported that Allen died of acute alcoholism! ...The ecumenical Pentecostal David duPlessis, who was called “Mr. Pentecost,” died of cancer of February of 1987. If the Charismatic healers have the “hot hand” power they claim to have, why would they let “Mr. Pentecost” die of cancer? ...Healers like Kuhlman, Coe, Allen, and duPlessis sicken and die. Bakker and Roberts have to wear glasses. Tammy has her warts and hernia. Oral goes to California for surgery. It would certainly appear that the best thing to do is to obey the laws of good health, eat properly, have a check-up yearly and trust the Lord. Meanwhile, a return to Bible evangelism is in order. One day our “vile body” will experience perfect healing when it is “fashioned like unto his glorious body” for all those who are truly saved by His grace. SOURCE: The TRUTH about TONGUES and the CHARISMATIC movement, by High F. Pyle, pg. 127-130; Sword of the Lord Publishers; PO Box 1099, Murfreesboro, TN, 37133; copyright 1989; ISBN: 0-87398-846-9 I also highly recommend Dr. John R. Rice's great book, THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT. The Charismatic Movement can easily be proven fraudulent. I'm so sick of hearing Charismatic cocky ministers (many who deny being Charismatic, go figure), claim to have witnessed miraculous healings in some remote location on earth, with no video cameras recording the event, and you are expected to simply take them at their word. Well, I don't. They are liars inspired by “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2). ALL faith healers get sick eventually and die (Romans 6:23). They need surgery like everybody else who needs surgery. They wear glasses and have hearing-aids like everybody else who needs them. Who's kidding who? The Bible DOES teach divine healing; but it is the exception and not the norm. Also, healing is never at the whim of some greedy televangelist who sports healing as a cheap form of entertainment. God works in a still and quiet manner, not in the spotlights by charlatans who exploit gullible people out of their money. In Pastor Max D. Younce's excellent book, I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED!, he states: God has allowed mankind to learn much about science and medicine. He has given doctors for our benefit. God expects us to use the blessings of medical knowledge He has given us. In James 5:14-16 we find the elders anointed with oil (medicine) and prayed. That is what God wants us to do today. Use the medicine and knowledge available, and bathe it with prayer. God can and does step in, at His will; but it is not through the phony “faith-healer” procedures that are so prevalent today. When God heals, He heals completely and without charge! It is always right to appeal to the “Great Physician.” He is always in! “And the prayer of faith shall heal the sick, and THE LORD (if it is His will) shall raise him up...” SOURCE: Dr. Max D. Younce, I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED!, Volume 2, pg. 225; ISBN-13-978-0-9815225-8-6; Morris Publishing. Sickness and physical suffering are a part of the sin-cursed world in which we live. Our flesh is frail, weak and prone to all sorts of diseases and problems as we age. Taking care of one's health is no guarantee of a long and happy life. Health-crazed people drop dead all the time at the same age as others who abuse their health with alcohol, lack of exercise and cigarettes. Everything born is born dying. Isaiah 53:5 Doesn't Guarantee Healing Some false prophets pervert the Biblical meaning of Isaiah 53:5, “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.” Some dreamers claim that the phrase “with His stripes we are healed” is a promise of physical healing in this earthly life. However, that is NOT what this Scripture means at all. The Lord's work of redemption made reconciliation with God possible by His blood (Ephesians 2:13). We are made right with God by faith in the literal blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We are healed from the curse of sin and the Law. There is NO Biblical promise of divine physical healing while we are still in our present fleshly bodies. Death and sickness are a part of life, and there's nothing we can do about it except pray to God for healing and go to the doctor. God gave us doctors, just as He gave us dentists and firemen and automobile mechanics. The Apostle Paul Left Trophimus Sick Paul left his friend, Trophimus at Miletum... SICK!!! 2nd Timothy 4:20, “Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum SICK.” The mighty missionary, preacher, evangelist, and Christian man of God, the Apostle Paul, left Trophimus SICK!!! There was no divine healing! It wasn't God's will to heal Trophimus. Don't forget that. There has never been one Charismatic preacher, who are nearly all arrogant and highminded, that has emptied out a hospital of sick and ailing patients. The following Scriptures teach us that only Jesus can do certain miracles. John 15:24,25, “If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.” Jesus proved His deity by performing miracles, like healing amputees, that no other man could do. If anyone could heal amputees today, the world would follow that person as if God Himself. Only Jesus, Who was God in the flesh upon the earth (1st Timothy 3:16; John 1:1-3, 10-14), had the power to do such miracles; and for a short time His apostles to validate the Gospel message to the world of Jesus Christ crucified and RISEN (John 16:33). By the completion of the Word of God with the book of Revelation, all Apostolic powers had stopped. Again, Paul couldn't even heal Trophimus, nor remove his own thorn in the flesh (2nd Corinthians 12:8). In 2nd Timothy 4:11, Paul said that Luke, a medical physician, was profitable for his ministry. Thank God for honest and legitimate doctors. The one big common denominator in the modern Charismatic Movement, including TBN and The 700 Club is greed for more money. Legitimate Biblical healing NEVER, and I mean never, pressures anyone for money, nor even asks. God's power is not for sale as Simon the former Sorcerer learned the hard way. Acts 8:20, “But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” That's exactly the wickedness that Pat Robertson, his son, Gordon and Terry Meeuwsen are committing when they ask for donations in return for promises of financial prosperity and improved health. They are selling the power of God, so-to-speak. The truth is that they have no power of God. What they are doing is of the Devil, as greedy dogs, exploiting people who are wearied, sick and emotionally hurting. 2nd Peter 2:3, “And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.” Their day is coming, just as everyone's day of reckoning is coming, when they shall stand before God as their Judge (Romans 12:19; Romans 14:12; 1st Thessalonians 4:6; 1st Corinthians 3:11-15; 2nd Corinthians 5:10-11; Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8). Demonic entertainers today, like Criss Angel, have openly admitted that they perform certain magicians tricks in a sinful attempt to disprove and discredit the deity of Jesus Christ. Criss Angel has walked on water using gimmicks, which many unbelievers have used to claim that Jesus was a fraud. They had better hope they're correct, because life is short and Judgment Day is coming if they're wrong. Isaiah 56:11, “Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.” See our playlist "Dealing with Phony TV Preachers (TBN) & King James Onlyites" at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2CDA855486B09128. Titus 1:9-16
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+CAnswersTV The writer stated they had seen uneven legs grow. I ACTUALLY PERFORMED THIS ACT(and it is an act) at work once..........the same way the televangelists do. I asked the nurse with a sore back to sit in a desk chair. I had the staff gather 'round and as I rubbed her ankles I slowly slid the heal of one shoe almost off the heel. Then I showed every one that "one leg is shorter than the other." As I again massaged her "short" leg nobody noticed that I had slid the shoe back in place on the other foot!  It works. It is a fraud. "healings" are so easy to fake........the cons have been going on since the dark ages. I did my fake healing to show the staff they needed to use caution when sending their money to a WOF "church." I could have easily pulled it off in a packed stadium..............................Anna
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Jewish Talmud Jew’s Holiest Book Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus (“Yeshu” and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu “the Nazarene”) was executed because he practiced sorcery: “It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry…He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone.” “According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned. “The more popular accounts–which were nevertheless taken quite seriously–such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name ‘Jesus’ was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists… 
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This information you provide just goes to prove that the Jews really did turn Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified as the New Testament states (as prophesied In Isaiah 53 & Psalm 22, see our video at  SUPERNATURAL BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING JESUS THE JEWISH MESSIAH (PART #2)). The vast majority of the Jews at the time of Jesus refused to believe He was the Messiah.I plan to do a video on the documentation you bring up at some point in the future but just haven't gotten around to it yet (the documentation from the Jewish Babylonian Talmud validates what you're saying). Besides the New Testament which refutes the modern day Jewish religion & Islam as well, we have a two part video series that exposes Judaism & Islam along with a bunch of other religions based on Biblical teachings at COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS OVERVIEW #1: JUDAISM, BUDDHISM, ISLAM, BAHA'I, ROMANISM, NEW AGE, SCIENTOLOGY & COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS OVERVIEW #2: JUDAISM, BUDDHISM, ISLAM, BAHA'I, ROMANISM, NEW AGE, SCIENTOLOGY. John 14:6
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Hi, been a catholic for about 26 years now. Left the church for a period of 5-6 years after understanding the actual Gospel of Jesus. Couldn't find a decent reformed church here in India, most are pure charismatic in nature. Just have a question here; can we not consider the catholic dogmas and traditions as purely symbolic? A mass as a symbolic ritual initiated to reinforce the salvatory belief and help the believer have a physical and visual participation? The statues etc as means of holding attention as humans are easily distracted and visual aids help in creating a psychological framework for effective participation? I do find that having certain traditions in place act as glue, holding the collective attention and piety of the believers. Not to say that traditional beliefs be warped etc. What you have to say? Please do respond. I am not supporting their parallel belief system(if they have one) But rather their grandeur as a reminder of things to come.
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Kicaz, I'm sure there are some Christ centered Bible preaching church's around you. If not, go online to one of the hundreds of Christian sites and ask if they have any outreach programs in your area. I was a Catholic into my late teens and left the church in the late 70's. I became a Christian in 1986 and praise God constantly for His mercy and grace! No, I don't think attending the Catholic Mass would be a good idea. Remember we are in a spiritual war and if we don't reinforce God's Word in our lives we become more and more susceptible to the attack of Satan.
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See our playlist "Dealing with Roman Catholicism, Idolatry & the Virgin Mary" at //www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFFA8D69D1B914715 with 109 videos & counting. Concerning Mary & Roman Catholic idolatry see our videos at THE IDOLATRY OF MARY WORSHIP: MAKING MARY THE FOURTH MEMBER OF THE DIVINE TRINITY, APPARITIONS OF MARY: IS THE VIRGIN MARY THE FOURTH PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC "TRINITY"?, Mary Mother of God?: False Gospel of Roman Catholicism (Part #4 in Romanist Apostasy Series), The Idolatrous Roman "Mass": False Gospel of Roman Catholicism (Part #6 in Romanist Apostasy Series) & Uncomfortable Questions for Catholics Who Love Their Man-Made Traditions & Dogmas (in relation to the Romanist Mary versus the Biblical Mary & the Roman Mass as pure idolatry in the highest order). Also see the website of former Roman Catholic priest for 22 years Richard Bennett at //www.bereanbeacon.org/ & the website of former Romanist Rob Zins, Th.M of Dallas Theological Seminary at www.CWRC-RZ.org. Don't forget our video at EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH HISTORY PROVES ROMAN CATHOLICISM FALSE.Roman Catholicism, Mary, and IdolatryRoman Catholics have an extremely high view of Mary and have attributed some astounding characteristics and abilities to her, such as her interceding for us, atoning for us, and delivering our souls from damnation (documented below).  Protestants consider this elevation to be not only extreme but also idolatrous since they attribute to Mary what should only be said of God.  Roman Catholicism responds by saying it venerates Mary and gets its doctrines on her from Sacred Tradition, which is an "inanimate thing passed from hand to hand,"1.  Alright, so which is it, the sin of idolatry or the blessing of veneration?The Roman Catholic church teaches there is a difference between idolatry and veneration.  It says,"Idolatry etymologically denotes Divine worship given to an image, but its signification has been extended to all Divine worship given to anyone or anything but the true God . . . An essential difference exists between idolatry and the veneration of images practised [sic] in the Catholic Church, viz., that while the idolater credits the image he reverences with Divinity or Divine powers, the Catholic knows "that in images there is no divinity or virtue on account of which they are to be worshipped, that no petitions can be addressed to them, and that no trust is to be placed in them." 2The Roman Catholic Church has defined idolatry far too narrowly in its favor.  Let's consider two things.Divine WorshipFirst, notice that it says "divine worship" should be given only to God.  This works out to mean that other forms of worship to Mary are okay as long as it isn't "divine worship."  But what is "divine worship?"  After searching through the Vatican Website3, the Catholic Encyclopedia4, the entire Council of Trent5, Vatican II6 and the Catechism of the Catholic Church,7, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma,8 and the Catholic Dictionary9 the best I could find was, "Now the divine worship is directed to the glorification of God."10  That is a nice and brief comment, but it isn't descriptive enough.  Why is it that in all these sources Divine Worship is not defined?  Perhaps it is because offering a strict definition might make them vulnerable to criticism concerning their worship of Mary.Catholicism says that divine worship is for God only, yet it also says it is okay to bow down before a statue of Mary, pray to Mary, believe that Mary delivers us from death, believe Mary atoned for us, etc., as long as you don't give her "divine worship."  In other words, you can do almost anything worship-wise to Mary as you would to God--just don't call it "divine worship."Exodus 20:5 and "worship"The Hebrew word for "worship" in Exodus 20:5 (the Ten Commandments) is "shachah" שָׁחָה.  Take a look at what the Strong's Enhanced Lexicon says about the word."172 occurrences; AV translates as “worship” 99 times, “bow” 31 times, “bow down” 18 times, “obeisance” nine times, “reverence” five times, “fall down” three times, “themselves” twice, “stoop” once, “crouch” once, and translated miscellaneously three times. 1 to bow down. 1a (Qal) to bow down. 1b (Hiphil) to depress (fig). 1c (Hithpael). 1c1 to bow down, prostrate oneself. 1c1a before superior in homage. 1c1b before God in worship. 1c1c before false gods. 1c1d before angel."11Bowing down is part of the act of worship--as you can see above.  Clearly, Roman Catholics who bow down before statues of Mary (and others) are risking breaking the commandment not to worship other gods and not to bow down before idols.  The Catholic Church responds by saying that as long as it isn't divine worship given to Mary, it is okay.  But this is nothing more than a word game.  They do the same thing to Mary that they would to God and excuse it by saying that it isn't divine worship.  The funny thing is that God doesn't make the same distinction as the Catholics do.  God says don't do it.  Don't bow down before images (Lev. 26:1).IdolatrySecond, the Roman Catholic definition of idolatry used above says "the idolater credits the image he reverences with Divinity or Divine powers."  Again after searching all the sources listed above, divine powers is not defined.  The best I found was "divine power preserved Christ's body from corruption." (CCC 627) and "Divine power is inexhaustible" (Catholic Enyclopedia, Omnipotentce).  Roman Catholicism does not attribute divinity to Mary (at least, not yet), but it does attribute divine powers to her: atonement of sin12; divine access to God13, delivering our souls from death14; her intercession brings us salvation15, etc.Such magnificent attributes of Mary are found nowhere in Scripture.  Let me say this again, none of these things are found in God's inspired word.  They are, however, said to be found in the Roman Catholic Church's Sacred Tradition.  I cannot help considering what God said through the Apostle Paul about not exceeding what is written in the word of God."Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." (1 Cor. 4:6).16So, the Roman Catholic Church is commanded by Scripture to not exceed what is written in God's word.  Has it done that?  Has it exceeded the limits of Scripture?  Yes, it has.In the Bible, NASB, the word idol (and its cognates idols and idolatry) occurs 175 times in 162 verses.  I read every one of the 175 verses, and not once did I find a reference to the idolators actually considering the idols in their hands and/or to which they bowed as actually being alive because that is what it would mean to claim that they were divine.  Remember, Catholicism says, "the idolater credits the image he reverences with Divinity or Divine powers."17.  But this is wrong.  You see, the Catholic Church is stacking the definitional deck in its favor so as to separate itself from the biblical teaching of idolatry and maintain its practice of bowing down before various statues and praying to saints.But saying the Roman Catholic Church is practicing idolatry doesn't prove anything.  So, let's turn to God's word and take a look at the examples of idolatry and then see if the Roman Catholic Church practices the same thing concerning Mary. I D O L A T R Y Idolatry of in the BibleExamples of with MaryAltars to Idols2 Chron. 33:15, "He also removed the foreign gods and the idol from the house of the Lord, as well as all the altars which he had built on the mountain of the house of the Lord and in Jerusalem, and he threw them outside the city.""From the beginning of Christianity special veneration was paid to the Mother of God, which in the language of theology is called hyperdulia, to distinguish the honour rendered to her from that given to the other saints. It is not strange, therefore, that after the main or principal altar, the most prominent is that dedicated in a special manner to the Mother of God; and to indicate this specific preference, this altar is usually placed in the most prominent position in the church, i.e. at the right (gospel) side of the main altar. In general it signifies any altar of which the Blessed Virgin is the titular."18 Bowing Down to ImagesLev. 26:1, "You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God."  See Joshua 23:7All across the world, images of Mary are elevated in Feasts and Churches.  In those churches, people very often bow down to statues of Mary. This is a violation of scripture. Images in the House of God2 Chron. 33:6-7, He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger. 7 Then he put the carved image of the idol which he had made in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, “In this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen from all the tribes of Israel, I will put My name forever;Roman Catholic Churches are full of images of all sorts in, what we could call, the houses of God, the Roman Catholic Churches.  The most prominent are those of Mary. Idols in the heartsEzek. 14:3, "Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts, and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity. Should I be consulted by them at all?"Veneration of Mary is accomplished in the heart. "The Blessed Virgin, as manifesting in a sublimer manner than any other creature the goodness of God, deserves from us a higher recognition and deeper veneration than any other of the saints; and this peculiar cultus due to her because of her unique position in the Divine economy, is designated in theology hyperdulia, that is dulia in an eminent degree."19 Kissing statuesHosea 13:2, "And now they sin more and more, And make for themselves molten images, Idols skillfully made from their silver, All of them the work of craftsmen. They say of them, “Let the men who sacrifice kiss the calves!"All over the world, Catholics not only bow to statues of Mary but also will ceremoniously kiss the statue's feet.  There is no record found from the Vatican that denounces such a practice. Making Graven ImagesExo. 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,It should go without saying that statues and images of Mary are too countless to number within the Roman Catholic Churches around the world.  If Mary is in heaven and they make images of her, then they violate the Scripture. Making Male and Female ImagesDeut. 4:15, "So watch yourselves carefully, since you did not see any form on the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire, 16 lest you act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,"The Roman Catholic Church is full of male and female statues representing Jesus, Joseph, Mary, and others.  They are often used in worship services, and many people bow down before them. Prays toIsaiah 44:17, But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image. He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, “Deliver me, for you are my god."  See also  Isaiah 45:20, “Gather yourselves and come; Draw near together, you fugitives of the nations; They have no knowledge, Who carry about their wooden idol, and pray to a god who cannot save.CCC par. 2675, "Beginning with Mary's unique cooperation with the working of the Holy Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God, centering it on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries . . . " Request for DeliveranceIsaiah 44:17, But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image. He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, “Deliver me, for you are my god."Par. 966, " . . . You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death." Worshipping ImagesDeut. 4:19, "And beware, lest you lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."Ex. 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God . . . "" . . . when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son . . . " (Vatican Council II, p. 420).  Statues of Mary often have her depicted with Stars in her crown, an allusion, says Catholicism to Revelation 12:1-2, " And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." 20 Worship of false godsActs 10:24-26, "And on the following day he entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 And when it came about that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter raised him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am just a man."   Rev. 22:8-9, "And I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 And he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book; worship God."" . . . when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son . . . " (Vatican Council II, p. 420).Does the Roman Catholic Church promote idolatry?  According to the scripture and its own practices, yes it does."Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry." (1 Cor. 10:14).1. Catholic Encyclopedia, Tradition and the Living Magisterium2. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry3. vatican.va4. newadvent.org5. history.hanover.edu/texts/trent.html6. cin.org/vatiidoc.html7. scborromeo.org/ccc.htm8. Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Tan Books and Publishers Inc, Rockford Ill. 19749. Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Phd., S.T.D., Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division, Huntington IN, 200210. Summa Theologica, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Questions 93, newadvent.org/summa/3093.htm11. Strong, J. (1996). The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the text of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurrence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.) (H7812). Ontario: Woodside Bible Fellowship.12. Fundamentals of Catholic dogma, Ott, page 21313. Vatican Website:  Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-191414. CCC 96615. CCC par. 96916. The Vatican Website translates this verse as, "I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.17. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry18. Catholyc Encyclopedia, Altar of Our Lady19. Catholic Encyclopedia, Adoration20. Labor Pain is part of the curse and Mary is not supposed to be under the curse.  Therefore she would not have felt labor pains and this could not refer to her.Titus 1:9-16
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It is so apparent. We all know that Catholicism is paganism, which of course is Satanism. We all understand that. I love that he is giving both answers. But the most important question is? Why, why does the Catholic church do this? It is to drag people to Hell. That is the reason why. These men, the highest of the high in the Catholic church, worship Satan. And all this Mary nonsense is about, is Isis. And it is occult. And that is where people need to learn and focus. Learn the occult. We are not debating the Catholic church. We do not need to reinterpret scriptures to these men. There is no need to go into a doctrinal debate with Catholics. We know they are lies. It is deeper than that. What you need to do with all Catholics, is show them occultism. Show them the occult practices, then A B them with the Catholic church. They cannot talk about the bible, they are lying, deceiving you. It is about Lucifer trying to control the bible. That is the Catholic church. 
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You have made some good observations but at the same time your argument contains a few logical fallacies. For instance, the first logical fallacy you make is known as AD POPULUM (in argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so." It's like saying, "Fifty million Elvis fans can't be wrong." You are assuming that "everyone knows Catholicism is paganism" or is "lies" or is "occultism" which is simply not true. Too often these days, trying to convince evangelicals that nearly all Catholics are lost seems more difficult than convincing Catholics themselves that they need to put their trust in Christ alone for their salvation. There are many reasons for this, including the fact that most high-profile so-called (& heretical) evangelicals (Billy Graham, Bill Bright, Chuck Colson, Robert Schuller, Hank Hanegraaff (see ANALYSIS OF HANK HANEGRAAFF & C.R.I. ON ROMANISM (PART 2) & THE ROOTS OF EVANGELICAL APOSTASY & others), Paul Crouch, Jack Van Impe, Pat Robertson, Bill McCartney, and many more) promote the idea that Roman Catholicism is definitely within the boundaries of biblical salvation. These men definitely make a good financial profit for their own ministries by accepting Romanists as true Christians.The most grievous aspect of the growing acceptance of Romanism is the effect it has on outreaches to Catholics. Missionaries returning from largely Catholic countries are sometimes cautioned by their support-church pastor to "go lightly" on negative experiences with the Catholic Church, as though it were appreciably different here, which is certainly not the theological case. While it's a blessing to note that each springtime hundreds of evangelical churches send thousands of our youth across the border for missions-to-Mexico ministry, few, if any, of these young, one-week-only "missionaries" have been given any instruction about the religion of the people they are hoping to help win to Christ. Even more inexplicably, many of these churches supporting missionaries in Catholic countries are reluctant to help their own congregations understand what Roman Catholicism teaches so that they might become more effective witnesses in their own community. Is sharing the gospel with our Catholic neighbors, friends, relatives and co-workers a less important outreach?Then again, is it really necessary? Aren't the teachings and practices of Roman Catholicism close enough to essential Bible doctrines to render any attempt to evangelize faithful Catholics both unwarranted and offensive to "our brothers and sisters in Christ?" Growing numbers of evangelicals feel that way.Youth Specialties (YS), perhaps the most influential organization among American evangelical youth leaders and pastors, has scheduled a Catholic priest (whose own specialty is "break[ing] down the walls of denominationalism by building unity") as their 2001 Conference general session speaker. Thousands of evangelical and Catholic teens will also be instructed by YS co-owner Mike Yaconelli in how to "use meditations, prayer, and [Ignatius Loyola's spiritual] exercises from the Christian tradition [read 'Catholic'] to nurture your soul." Based upon our mail, by the way, we've seen a great increase in the numbers of letters from grieved evangelical parents regarding the marriages of their children to practicing Catholics. But wouldn't that be a good thing, if indeed, they are our brothers and sisters in Christ?On the other hand, the Bible teaches that a person is saved by faith alone in Christ alone. 1 This is so because only Christ could pay the penalty for our sin, which He did in full . There is then  nothing we can do for our salvation except put our trust in Him. Any attempt to add anything to our Lord's finished work on the cross 1) is a denial of His complete atonement, 2) is a rejection of His "free gift" of eternal life, and 3) presumes that we can pay something for our salvation, which is impossible. Why impossible? Because the penalty for sin is  death , spiritual separation from God forever (Gen:2:17). That infinite penalty cannot be paid in part. Death, physical or spiritual, doesn't function on a partial basis—you're either dead or you're not. Only Christ can save us from so great a penalty.Catholicism, however, teaches that there is much a person can and must do to help pay the penalty and gain entrance to heaven. He must be baptized. He must receive the sacraments. He must expiate his own sins by suffering here on earth and/or in purgatory. Prior to his death he must be absolved (by a priest) of every previously unconfessed mortal sin. When a Catholic claims that he too believes in salvation by grace alone, he is saying that  through the Roman Catholic Church,  through its saints and its sacraments, God provides the grace necessary for him to do the works required to merit eternal life. Yet the Bible teaches that salvation is "t hrough faith...not of works...it is the  gift of God" (Eph:2:8-9). If you pay for a gift, it's no longer a gift; man's works can have no part in his redemption. Yet if a Catholic were to believe this biblical truth, his Church would condemn him. The "sacred, infallible, and  irrevocable " decrees of the Council of Trent declare (and every Catholic therefore must obey or be condemned to hell) that "If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification,...let him be anathema [i.e., condemned]." 2Catholics are taught that the cleansing fires of purgatory exist for the punishment of their sins "so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven." 3 Again, this is a teaching which every Catholic must believe (even though it rejects Christ's sacrifice in full payment for sin): "If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema." 4The Catholic Church imposes damnations (more than 100 specific anathemas are listed) upon Catholics who decide  not to accept some of its teachings and practices. While liberal, lax, and even biblically leaning Catholics attempt to justify their contrary-to-official-belief views, they are mutinying against their Church which (according to Roman Catholic dogma) is their only means to heaven. The laws of the Roman Catholic Church, however, explicitly condemn those who hold "mutinous" beliefs. In other words, if a Catholic hopes to gain eternal life as a Catholic, he  must abide strictly by his Church's proclaimed infallible rules. This manmade religious system does not tolerate a pick-and-choose approach to its faith.Most evangelicals (other than former Catholics) are not aware of how Catholic beliefs and practices  critically differ from the Bible's teachings. For example, the Holy Eucharist, which Baptist Bill Clinton and Methodist Hillary received at a Catholic Church in Africa not too long ago, is the  antithesis of the biblical remembrance of Christ's death and resurrection instituted by our Lord. This Catholic ritual, referred to as "the Sacrament of sacraments," is a  total rejection of who Christ is and what He accomplished on Calvary's hill. In the Mass the priest (and only a priest) is said to transform a wafer of bread into "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore,  the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained ." 5 "For in the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord is immolated [killed as in a sacrifice] when 'he begins to be present sacramentally as the spiritual food of the faithful under the appearances of bread and wine.'" 6 The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is fully present in each of the wafers—millions offered simultaneously around the world each day—for as long as they exist (even though the leftover consecrated bread/body often putrefies—in direct contradiction to the biblical prophecies that His body would never experience corruption). 7If you have ever wondered why some of the great teachers/preachers of biblical faith have referred to the Catholic Mass and Eucharist as an "abomination before God," and why many saints of old chose to be burned at the stake rather than give credence to such a terrible perversion, I hope it's becoming tragically clear. What every Catholic is participating in is an occult ritual in which a man calls down the resurrected and glorified Christ from heaven, changes His body into a pre-crucified, pre-resurrected body, then turns bread into His body and blood, and kills this Christ on an altar. It is beyond ironic that  daily Catholic priests do what their Church historically has blamed and persecuted the Jews for having done once.Since this Eucharistic ritual claims to "re-present" all that Christ suffered for our sins, Jesus must undergo the same experience millions of times every day. Worse yet than the unending brutality and mockery He must suffer is the  continual experience of the agony of separation from His Father, which caused Jesus to "sweat...as it were great drops of blood..." and to appeal to His Father to "remove this cup from me" if it were possible (Lk 22:44,42). Hebrews is unequivocal in rejecting this ritualistic Catholic travesty: "[Christ] needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice...for this he did  once , when he offered up himself"; "So Christ was  once offered to bear the sins of many"; "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ  once for all " (Heb:7:27; 9:28; 10:10). And Peter, regarded by Catholics as their first pope, writes, "For Christ also hath  once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit" (1 Pt 3:18).All Catholic communicants  must believe they are eating the "real" flesh and blood of Jesus, otherwise they commit a mortal sin: "If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema." 8 One of the many reasons we cannot take John:6:53  literally ("Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you") is that doing so would constitute cannibalism and the drinking of blood, which both the Old and New Testament specifically forbid. Even Augustine, the father of modern Catholicism, rejected the literal interpretation for this reason. 9Finally, Catholics must worship the "consecrated host" (wafer) as God: "If anyone says that in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship of  latria [worship given only to God]...or is not to be set publicly before the people to be adored and that the adorers thereof are idolators, let him be anathema." 10  The Catholic weekly  Our Sunday Visitor reported that one of Promise Keepers' top evangelical executives was so overwhelmed by the "Real Presence of Jesus" at a Franciscan University Eucharistic Holy Hour adoration that he was compelled to prostrate himself before the sacred host. 11Considering only the few Catholic teachings which have been presented here, if every Bible-believing, born-again Christian reading this doesn't find them troubling enough to care about the eternal destiny of every Roman Catholic, they should sincerely examine their own understanding of the gospel of salvation. I'm hopeful that there are many who do see the serious problems and are willing to encourage their pastors and elders to teach their congregations to actively evangelize Roman Catholics. Endnotes 1.John:1:12,15-16,36; 5:24; 6:40; 8:24; 11:25-26; Romans:3:22: 4:5; 5:1; 10:8-13; Eph:2:8-10  (to name a few).2. H. J. Schroeder, trans., The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent (Tan Books, 1978), 43.3. Catechism of the Catholic Church (The Wanderer Press, 1994), 268.4. Trent , op. cit., 46.5. Catechism , op.cit., 346.6. Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents , ed. Austin Flannery, O.P. (Costello Publishing Company, rev. ed. 1988), 102-103.7.Psalms:16:10; 49:9; Acts:2:27.8. Trent , op.cit., 79.9. William Webster, appendix 8 of  The Church of Rome at the Bar of History (The Banner of Truth Trust, 1995), 195, footnote 17; citing Augustine,  On Christian Doctrine (n.p., n.d.), 3:16:24.10. Trent , op. cit., 80.11. Our Sunday Visitor  (July 20, 1997), 10-11.The other logical fallacy you make in your argumentation is called POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."). It goes something like this, "The rooster crows immediately before sunrise, therefore the rooster causes the sun to rise." You assume that "There is no need to go into a doctrinal debate with Catholics. We know they are lies." Then you assume the "occult" needs to be debated instead because occultism is what Romanism really is & is what causes it to exist just like the rooster with the sunrise. No doubt that occultism plays its part in Romanism but throwing out a doctrinal discussion with Romanists from the Word of God is not an option since the Bible itself says we are to engage in "doctrine" with all people, including heretics (Psalm 119, 1 Timothy 1:3, 10, Titus 1:9-16, etc.). The Bible itself is written so we can know truth from error (1 John 4:1-6) thus we need to go to the Word of God & share it with people because it is the "Sword of the Spirit" (Hebrews 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." 1 Peter 3:15P.S. We do have a playlist on the occult called, "Dealing with UFOs, Ghosts, Magic, Spiritual Warfare, Satan" with 18 videos & 19 hours of teaching material at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2CF1129D311BF9A6.
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Great Video so far, it would be great if your videos addressed all 3 forms of Catholicism; Roman, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Catholicisms.
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+CAnswersTVThanks for the info,From what I know isn't Rome the parent so to speak of the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Catholics they came out of Rome?, I am not referring to Eastern curch of Rome but even though both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Catholics both reject Rome presently they both are actually brances out of Rome?
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Thanks for the compliment. We do have a video on Eastern Orthodoxy at EASTERN ORTHODOXY: SALVATION BY EARNED WORKS, ICONS, TRADITION, DEIFICATION & THE VIRGIN MARY. I have to admit though that the vast majority of our videos on Romanism (see our playlist, "Dealing with Roman Catholicism, Idolatry & the Virgin Mary" at //www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFFA8D69D1B914715 with 103 videos & counting) are dealing with normal Vatican II type Romanism. I might try inviting some of our foreign missionaries from our church to come in to our TV studio sometime & give us a first hand report on the kind of Romanism they are seeing down in Mexico or over in the Orient in places like Papua New Guinea for example. Blessings. John 14:6

I wanted to question Petreus about 'successes' in Iraq, but got arrested - Ray McGovern

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern will not let his First Amendment rights be infringed upon by the New York City Police Department or any other organization, ...

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Is not the WHOLE WORLD DISGUSTED that a man can be arrested and charged for ASKING A QUESTION?! Not a word, by the way on our CIA CONTROLLED TVs! It takes RT to give us the TRUTH on this shocking event. You can now OFFICIALLY take the word 'free' out of the slogan 'Land Of The Free''.
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Yeah, land of the sheep, home of the slaves.
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Isn't it glorious, ray? You wont get that in Russia.
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+Shades shadyAnd in Russia all the media comes from SIX (yes, only six) media giants, four of which are under direct control from the government (Including Rutply, which often spews whatever they're told to spew). I dont think you understand. Both the US and Russia have the same sort of control over their media. THE SAME. Both are pretty bad.The rest of what you said is pure conjecture that means nothing, unfortunately.
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+Dragon Butt LOL in the USSA all media comes from the same six corporation sources. That's consolidated from 50 companies back in 1983.  Now go look who are the majority stake holders  are from these 6 corporations. Below are 3 groups that work hand in hand together , and in these groups are the controlling stock holders of the 1st world news media.The same media that keeps these 3 controlling groups mostly in the shadows and out of sight. The same Media that tells us that when people like Edward Snowden, Jeffrey Sterlingand Julian Assange tell the world of the WEST'S evil,lying and manipulating ways. The media turns us all against them as traitors because they only showed us how our countries were doing or committed wrong.Take a look in to the members of these 3 groups.#1 (The Unelected USA Government who really has the power)  The Council On Foreign Relations (CFR). #2 The Trilateral Commission. This group is a 3 ring circus. In ring 1 North America, ring 2 Europe and ring 3 Pan Asia that are some what of a 1 World Government + Economy composed of the super rich elite and current and former N American, European and Asian government and then #3 The Bilderberg Group. They represent ($) and are the wealthy 1% that have more money then the 99% of working tax paying peasants. If you do look you will see that China is the only BRICS  country to have a few members in the Trilateral commission.  So that means OPEC countries, Africa countries and the BRICS countries are not part of our control including RT and Aljezeers. I am sure they have some screwed views and agendas , but not even close to the once mighty USA propaganda.
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+Shades shadyYou do know that RT has already said they are exactly the same as CNN, FOX, ABC and the rest? "All ducks in the same pond"?//rt.com/usa/rt-government-broadcasting-radio/Literally, Read it and weep.
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+Jack SchittCyanide? Aint nobody got time fo dat. They'd probably do it the old fashioned way. Secret police at your door at night. Just like how many a journalist met their end in russia.
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+Shades shady I don't know about "run wild" you know, sometimes I wanna know about China. it's easy to spot the narrative because, they all repeat the same thing.
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+Jack Schitt  Ya well Russia has got an ace up it's sleeve with RT America. They just fund real honest reporters and let them run wild. Just like Larry King and other reporters that want to report on important and real truth news. Do you really think people buy what Cnn, Fox, ABC, MSNBC and all the rest of the lying American self serving and propaganda spewing News organizations? Just look at the last CIA whistle blower who tried going through proper channels to voice a concern on a CIA mission. He was accused with not one thing or shred of evidence pointing to him leaking information. The jury was hung and claimed they cant not agreew then after. a judge directed the jury to try and come up with a unanimous vote. In a 2 hour span the jury came back all agreeing guilty on every Charge.  NOT 1 AMERICAN news outlet touched this storry with a ten foot pole
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+Dragon Butt death by cyanide, probably.
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Mhmmm. In Russia they'd probably just jail him on a bogus charge, or kill him.
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Wow asking tough and real questions gets you arrested, were turning into a facist state
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+RT Myths DebunkedOh teh noes not the FSB. They'll tell everyone that U R GAY D8
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HELLOOOOO!!!!! YOU are in a facist state..
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+rainbo5250 Wasting your time and energy on this know nothing troll. All you will get is the snake speak of a lowly government minion.
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+RT Myths DebunkedOnce again,....DEFINE 'we' in the statement.... "We watch Ray."
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+rainbo5250 Oh, lol, better ask Peter Lavelle who Ray is sleeping with. As the younger people say today Peter "has the hook up." We watch Ray, as he isn't some typical dumbass, like Alex Jones, who as a community college drop out.
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+RT Myths DebunkedHow do you claim to know this information, about this citizen who was WRONGFULLY charged?* Are you sleeping with him?* Are you STALKING him?*Or,...are you reading from the page of LIES your NAZI commander has given you to troll TRUTH SPEAKERS?!Be GONE TROLL,....your bullshit has no power here.
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"turning into"hahaha
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+zarfii Yes, sir, just dont call the FSB on me, please!
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+RT Myths Debunked Fuck off Noddy.
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+zarfii You can try to evade and obfuscate all day long, anyone worth a damn reading this in days and weeks to come will see that you just resort to ad hominem attacks.
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+RT Myths Debunked You hav'nt produced any. What are you on, other than the government payroll ? Your brain dead shit wont work here. You will have to lift your game way above your pay grade,, Minion.
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+zarfii Yes, my factually correct statements are full of shit. Yep, you got me. Facts be damned I guess.
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+RT Myths Debunked And you are full of shit.
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+rainbo5250 More nonsense, You are a machine, Good job. Just plug your ears and sing lalala
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+RT Myths Debunked NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD YOU SAY!You are a TROLL, whose time is wasted here.RT has given us the TRUTH on a non-stop basis, and the people of this planet WANT THE TRUTH!Get lost,.... CRIMINAL,... U.S. GOVERNMENT defender!
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+zarfii I agree,...the CIA are murders and LIARS, who are known as the WORLD'S LARGEST DRUG DEALERS, and ultimately work for the PRIVATE BANKING FAMILIES.They are NOT a friend to humanity on planet earth.
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+rainbo5250 Thank god his freedom of speech is a right extended to the internet. Otherwise you might actually be right.
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+RT Myths Debunked Shut up TROLL,....NO ONE is interested in what you have to say.
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+RT Myths Debunked He is exposing criminality and corruption in the government.. I'm not too concerned about his motives. My large assumptions are what exactly. Your reply will be fascinating. 
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I like how you're saying that as hes already been cleared of his charges and is going on the offensive lol.Yeah, we're turning into a facist state alright, even though his charges were cleared lol.
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+zarfii Hmm, there are a number of large assumptions in your post, but to stick to the important at hand..there's a reason why McGovern didn't advance..is now disgruntled,..so he seeks his pat on the head from RT
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+RT Myths Debunked Whatever. He seems to be on the right track now. Why would you have loyalty to a corrupt criminal organisation like the CIA which is a part of a corrupt criminal government ?
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It's all nonsense. He regularly travels to Moscow, appears on RT, and was found to have questionable ties/interests in Russia years ago. One of the reasons why his CIA career stagnated as an analyst...for decades.
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why you assume it still turning, what does it take for fascist state completion, an extermination camp ? Germans did not know about theirs, neither we do about ours 

The Truth About Russell Brand, Alex Jones & David Icke - Friend or Foe?

Is Russell Brand, Alex Jones & David Icke "cointelpro", "Illuminati puppets", or "Jesuit assassins"?... Does it really matter? In This video I discuss these questions ...

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i agree Jones and Brand are shills, not sure about icke though
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+David McCormick  Interesting stuff David thanks for that i have not had a chance to do any digging, but i will, but what you say makes a lot of sense, i get what your saying about the source of the background, thanks for posting again bro
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+Jack Smith Hi mate, I've looked at 100s of pictures of the Groucho Club interior (google images and Groucho website) and i can't find one that matches. I looked through the comments on Icke's twitter accompanying this photo, there are only about 35. Two people suggest a ritual is going on in the background, highly debatable, more interestingly, one person just posted the word 'photoshop'. I had taken the image at face value, but looking more closely, I think you may be right in your initial statement about it being fake. Its Brand who looks out of sync with the visual qualities of the rest of the image. The more I look at it the more obvious it is. But we know Icke is the source. If the image IS fake, then at best, Icke has put out a fake picture (not in the Groucho Club). Worst case is that not only has he had an image faked, but also its an image at the Groucho Club with Brand photoshopped in. Which is pretty damning in terms of Icke's credibility for people who still hang on his every word. 
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interesting info there, this certainly warrants more digging, im at work so limited time, but i will post what i find when/if i find it here thanks bro
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+Jack Smith VERY interesting stuff, and you're definitely right about the focus being off on Brand. You should know the picture was posted by Icke on twitter apparently, in the same post, or a caption with the photograph, it mentions that they had just done a great show, so it doesn't really prove anything that they are both wearing the same gear. In fact that would be expected. I got the impression from the post I read, Icke had done a show with Brand (nothing specific mentioned) and that they had both gone on to the Groucho Club. No idea why the image would be fake, unless accounts of the twitter post have also been fabricated. Glad to see you're being objective though, its the only way to have a chance at finding the truth
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if you mean this imagehttps://icenirising.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/branick.png?w=640&h=295I dont trust that image, my father was a graphic artist, i grew up using Photoshop as child/teenager, the lighting on Brand looks incosistent with the lighting on Icke, also the focus is not matching, i would be inclined to distrust that photo...Blurred on Brand, and perfect focus on Icke??? looks like either one of them was there and the other has been added, or possibly a total construct, i would be very suprised if that picture was real, but i am no expert i know a bit and generally i can spot fakes, but i would love a pro graphic artist or image analyst to study the photo for authenticity, i totally accept i could be wrong
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It has also been sold (edit) not sure if this affects the admission of members or not, so date and time of the photo would mean a lot, but i will defo look into this objectively. Thanks
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+Jack Smith Look at the picture of Brand and Icke allegedly at the Groucho Club, then google other celeb names and Groucho club in google images, if you can find matching backgrounds then Icke was a member: Thats where I'd start if I was looking for evidence. I believe what I found originally, although some kind of proof of membership would be great. But I don't think people go flashing membership cards or advertising the fact they are members.
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Ok, I would say this though, wiki can be edited by anyone, so its not proof of membership, and membership does not mean or prove anything else, it does paint him in a bad light if true, but that is only because of the news in recent years that the groucho club are connected with a pedo ring... i.e. not directly at Icke. ive heard some people mention that Mr Icke is deflecting the issue from the BBC to Saville, which to be honest is BS i have heard him mention BBC in regards pedo ring many many times. I dont dismiss this i think it could be true, but im  not really sure how any of this would constitute proof, although confirmed membership certainly would alter my perception, at the moment though from what i have seen and what you have described, this could be as much a misinfo/smear campaign as legit (not saying you're smearing as such or its even not true)I will dig further though and thank you fo pointing me towards this
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+Jack Smith As the scandal broke, I went on wiki and there was a list of members. Fry, Terry Pratchett, Max Keiser, Russell Brand and Icke were all on there. No idea if the page is still up. EDIT; I checked, lol, David Icke is no longer listed as a member on wiki. However, there is still a picture on google images of David and Rushill Brand cosying up on a couch together supposedly at the Groucho Club. Evidence was a lot easier to come by last year, unfortunately it seems to be getting more scarce. What I can say is that I was in no doubt last year that he was a member, numerous people outed him, they didn't do it for no reason. At the time I checked their information for myself and found nothing to refute it
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I have, and many seem to be stating he is a member, but cant find anything that seems to be able to prove it, Plenty on Groucho, and its actions, plenty on BBC, but the stuff that most are saying about Icke looks weak at best, Im not saying its not true, im open to the idea, but if you have a solid link that proves it please post as i would be interested to read
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+Jack Smith look into Groucho Club, Icke is a shill.
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Bless you for the time and effort you put into sharing a positive message! :)) I just can't believe you put Russell Brand next to David Icke and Alex Jones. He's kind and not mainstream, but he's fully rational.
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+Paul Melnick Brand was in the Groucho Club with David Icke, google it. Brand is a Fabian Shill
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Russell Brand can talk all day about "Revolution" but he offers no solution, no real alternative. He is a narcissist, a comedian and likes to be put in the category of prophet/ messiah. He himself a recovering addict is encouraging the use of drugs to access DMT, when it occurs naturally. Brand is a great comedian love him for that but hes full of it. An armchair activist he talks the talk but cant and wont walk it. What will he redistribute ?
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Patrick Horan, you're comfortably sitting too, criticising one person for not changing the system. Brand's voices a message of humanity, as do thousands of others, he just became known to more people because his artistic inclinations... theatrical, visible, articulate and sharp. The man married Katie Perry without a prenup, during their marriage he made aprox. £6 mil, she made aprox. £44 mil, and he walked away from all that. I don't think I know anybody that wouldn't want something that the law entitles them to. So he's not without credibility.
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Dude your so right. People are so confused. People love thinking that they are correct and they also love thinking that they know things that other people don't know. That's why I find it difficult to deal with these people who think that they are awake but not actually awake. They have just fallen into the second of "illuminati's" traps of false information. Take for instance Alex jones. He gets millions of views and obviously understands some of what is going on but most of his videos really don't give that much information they are just random raving and yelling "WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP" "Trust me I have done the research" care to share any of that research Alex? If you feel brave enough go look at the comment section of some of these alex jones videos they are filled with ignorant people who believe that they are so awake. But like you said waking up is a continual process.
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+galaxyguy987 excellent comment.
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+BrainFeed.ca Hey cool  to see that you responded to my comment. I'm thinking of starting a you tube channel and doing kind of what you have been doing on yours. You have inspired me to do this so i thank you. Keep on moving forward brother through the river of shit that we have before us. 
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+galaxyguy987 Thanks for the great comment! :)

Author Chat Interview with John Ortberg ~ Soul Keeping

In this exclusive live author chat, pastor and author John Ortberg examines the soul and discusses his book #SOULKEEPING. Check out all upcoming author ...

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