Battery Backup Power - How long will Something Run?
This video is in response to the many questions I receive on "how long will something run" on backup power. Hopefully this will give a little more incite into how ...
+chaseswafford The kill o watt meter is an excellent tool to let you know how much power each appliance is using. Using it will help you add up the watts needed to determine what your power requirements will be.
Thanks even I understand and believe me its hard (lol) in terms of the
negative people out there (haters) you don,t have to watch if you don't
want to no one is making you. Don't let what they say get to you. One
question with items that are pre wired and you have no outlet plug to plug
into (the kill a watt) how do you determine the wattage? IE lights,
AC,heat, water heaters etc). not to up on this stuff just learning. Thanks
+Barbara Walthour Thanks for your comments. I don't let bad comments get to me, I just laugh and shake my head. But anyway to view your overall home energy usage, use a TED unit (The Energy Detective). Check the video links for more info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnHDFHC271Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHZM7_BEzk
Very interesting video but when your battery drops to 10 volts your
inverter when shut down that is all the AC power you will have less the
amps the inverter will use to convert to AC your calculations are only
correct it you were using dc applicances direct from your battery
I am not knocking your video it was produced very professionally , but from
personal experience with my system which is a 24 volt solar / wind system
if say my battery bank full at 28 volt my 24 volt inverter will work until
my bank runs down to 20 volts the alarm will sound and at 19 volts it will
shut down so the only useable amps is between 28 to 19 volts for to
continue using power I would have to use DC Applicances straight from the
battery bank . Keep up the work .
Kind regards .
+Droumreague Thanks for your comments, The calculations are just general calculations to give people of an idea of runtime. It's definitely not precise, just general. Thanks.
Can I use my power inverter to plugin my AC120V battery charger then
charging it back to the battery I used from the power inverter. power
inverter input 28 amp. at 12 volts. Battery charger input AC 120V, 2.7 amp.
but producing/ output of 12V, 10 amp. to the battery I used for the
inverter. Does this mean I'm actually charging the battery roughly 7 amps.?
If i calculate it right.
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Hi i did installed solar system in my house in africa but the power is not
last for long 12 light bulbs
And i have 12 battery and 8 panels
Can u help me out
+kofi ben what is the ratings of bulbs , panels , batteries and inverter used.? type of charge controller and rating? Dc inverter or AC Inverter? Dc lights? please revert with details
I have 3200 watts of solar pnls they run two 550 wat A/c units and the well
pump 8 hours a day. I'm using an AIM 8k power inverter. I've been doin it
for five years now.
+Troy Brownrigg That's a lot of panels, $$$, needed to run 2 AC units and well pump, which should be low power. Yes, to run high energy AC systems, you will need a lot of solar PV panels, not an economical way
Do you need more Solar Panels or Battery? To run all the appliances use at
home? If solar energy is much efficient or it is sunny day, would a 10
watts of solar panel distribute energy to four 12 volts battery?
From what I've read, UPS batteries aren't a good choice for solar because they aren't meant to be cycled too many times, but if you are getting them for free, that's not much a factor :-) Good luck with your system. That sounds like a fun place to work if you can pick through the stuff!
+sdold Thats great info my friend. I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge...The gel batteries was more luck than judgment. i'm not sure if they are deep cycle or not. It's a bonus that they don't leak, but as I say its more luck than judgment- I happen to work in a computer\ recycling business and we get UPS units by the pallet load. and I can take as many as my car will carry... hence why i'm battery rich and panel poor !You would think that UPS manufacturers would use the most efficient batteries to provide as much power when needed but obviously they are designed to shunt 240v for a short period so perhaps they cut out at a safe level to protect the cells rather than giving you all they have... some more research required I think!I guess I just need to keep ramping up my panel array bit by bit.. cheers
+TheComputec I'm not really sure about gel type batteries. Those aren't used much in solar because they can't be charged as fast as the AGM or Flooded batteries, because they develop bubbles in the gel. So for those I'm not sure. I think they would be OK because they don't have liquid electrolyte that can stratify. The problem with the liquid electrolyte (flooded) batteries is that they need a charge rate of from C/12 to C/8 (C being the amp-hour capacity). If you go much less than C/12 they will build up lead sulfate crystals at the tops of the plates that will harden and not be removable. AGM batteries are more forgiving and can be charged much slower (and faster, up to around C/4) but are about twice as expensive. So your panel needs to be sized so that the current will be at least C/12. For a 100 AH battery, that's 8.3A, or about 100W from the panel. It takes about a 180-200W "12V" panel with a PWM controller to do that. Maybe you could get by with a little less, but not a lot less.
+sdold Sorry to hijack your conversation, but following on from the response you have just given to +Ramp10er, does this mean that somebody with a cabin and small panels (like myself) cannot simply add more batteries so that they can store a higher capacity charge when for the majority of the time I am not there (ie I might spend only 1 week every 2-3 months) I was hoping that my 160hr bank could benefit from uninterrupted charging from my 60w (2 x 30w) panels while i am absent and then give me enough to run a couple of small items (tv radio and satellite a couple of hours a day for the weeks i am there)... would this also be the case if the batteries were gel batteries from UPS units? Any info greatly appreciated
+Ramp10er If you are using flooded batteries (the kind with liquid electrolyte), they will never charge the batteries at a rate to prevent stratification and early battery death. They need to be charged at about 1/10 the AH rating. For example 100 AH of batteries needs about 8 amps. The panel you mention gives a tenth of that in the best conditions.
That would only work if you had a cabin that you used for one day a week for evening lighting etc and it was charging up all week with no load... even then the maths probably wouldn't work out for a small 10w panel... you could do that with maybe a 25w panel in a setting with good daytime sunlight hours. You would need to buy a cheap charge controller to make sure that the power going to the batteries cuts off when they are topped up and also to prevent you discharging them too much if you hang too many items off them (easy to forget to switch off a porchlight or a radio for example) Solar is great but you do need to research what you NEED... how much power you need and how often you need to apply a load to the battery banks
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+Naboulsi Khalid Yeah, on the AC-side (120V) of the inverter ....... Hofpodcast was talking about the battery-side (12V DC). With a 2000 Watt load on the inverter, the wiring on the DC-side has to deal with 166 amps.
wait. big mistake 2000/12v is just 16.6Amps. not 166 Amps. the worst, you
kept explaining and convincing as its exact science. please reviews all
what you said. thank you
THANKS! GREAT VIDEO; HOWEVER I AM A GOOD BEAN COUNTER, YET STILL NEED TO
SEE YOU DO SOME ELECTRICAL HANDS - ON. FOR EXAMAPLE, COULD YOU DO A
DETAILED MATERIAL LIST FOR A OFF GRID SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM IS , A
REFRIGERATOR , A WASHER, A DRYER. MY POINTS OF CONFUSION WOULD BE: HOW TO
PROPERLY WIRE UP THE BATTERIES WITHOUT GETTING HURT; HOW NOT TO DAMAGE THE
SOLAR CELLS OR SHORT THEM OUT;HOW TO PROPERLY HOOK UP THE CHARGE
CONTROLLER;HOW TO PROPERLY CONNECT THE INVERTER. FINALLY HOW TO DO
MAINTENANCE AND STAY SAFE.
+duck featherland Its on my list to do, its just that I have a day job!! This does not really pay much at all... I have some electrical videos in the que from the old house, just have not got them edited yet - too damn busy!Steve
Thumbs up on that one. I saw a few videos showing fancy looking inverters
(full of displays and so on) but you just made me realise that many of them
do not have pure sine waves as I previously assumed. Do you think most big
and expensive ones do have pure sine wave? What about charge controllers,
do they have to be complex like the ones made for Lithium batteries? Is
permit required even if not connected to grid?
+Stephen Balogh It all depends what you are trying to do. If its a simple backup system, I think a more simple approach is probably all you need. I you want to go off-grid, then more $ invested in electronics may save you more than that in batteries and give you a better performing system.
Hey Mr. Leavitt, great explanation!!! but I have a question for the
teacher, if you are using a 6ooW boost converter to power say a tool, and
want to calculate the current of the circuit. do you use the output voltage
or input voltage to calculate the current so as not to smoke the boost
converter that can only handle some much current.
I would think it would be the output voltage, right!?
+snaprollinpitts I would agree with you. No machine is 100% efficient so it would be better to use the output to calculate the more accurate current. Then again I don't have a lot of XP with boosters.