got to hang out with Steve Colman in Seattle at a bar. He talked about
ancient Egypt and a jazz improvisation program he wrote. He programed it to
make improvisational choices similar to his and he told me he showed it to
Dave Holland who promptly told him to destroy it . Anyway I love his work
with Holland . That was a great unit .
Beautiful! I am off to order this on DVD! The dancing is wonderful from the
littlest girl and boy at the Christmas party to the dance of the Sugar Plum
fairy! This looks like a well staged ballet! Bravo!
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[Arthaus 100282] DUTCH NATIONAL BALLET
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Hard to cast my vote here. It was not awful and it was not great. I would
like to see more from the males in solos( especially the one with the curly
hair) so I can truly access things. Does anyone know the names of the males
in this clip?
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es is ned mal frage des verstehens, obwohls das interessanter macht, es
verstehen ja auch ned alle leut die hintergründe der diatonischen musik,
trotzdem gefällt sie ihnen. ich durchschau stockhausens musik nur
beschränkt und trotzdem finde ich zb das klavierstück X einfach schön. es
ist nur gewöhnungssache. verarsche würd ich eher der musikindustrie
vorwerfen die menschen geld aus der tasche zieht für musik die man ohne
großen geistigen und finanziellen aufwand auch selbst produzieren könnte.
ich persönlich glaube, dass bei allem religiösen bezug den S. oft seinen
werken andachte dennoch etwas anderes dahintersteckt. Ich schätze seine
Kindheit ohne Vater und das Umfeld der NS Zeit haben einen Menschen aus ihm
gemacht hat, der nicht anders konnte als sich durch musik raum und freiheit
zu verschaffen, ich meine experimentelle musik ist ja durchaus sinnvoll,
aber wer bis ins hohe alter sich zurückkzieht und stets nur seine eigenen
ideen anerkennt, entflieht ein stück weit der realität
@Mrspitzfink bei seiner musik gibt es doch nicht die frage ob verarsche
oder nicht. Stockhausen hat wie viele andere auch ein hochkomplexe technick
angewandt, um diese musik zu produzieren. Hinter all diesen Liedern gibt es
eine raffinierte Struktur, da gibt es keinen zeweifel. Zugang zu solcher
Musik hat nur der, der diese Musik" versteht". Noch mag ich solche musik
nicht, aber ich bin mir sicher, je mehr ich über diese hochkomplexe
musikart erfahre, desto mehr weis ich sie zu schätzen.
And that sums up the problem with Mozart Fans rather well. Only the
condition is not extended only to Mozart's music, nut music in general.
Otherwise they would not be Mozart fans. Your profile says you are a
composer, so you hold that composers should be completely ignorant of
musical techniques etc.? I do realise that in a perfect world nothing more
interesting than nursery rhymes would be available for musical consumers.
However I do sometimes think a callenge is a good thing.Don'tyou?
It does when the said Mozart fan's opinion is based on nothing but 2 mins
of music and a complete ignorance of another composer's compositional
techniques. Now I don't happen to think this particular scene from "Licht"
is the best ("Lucifer's Farewell" knocks spots off it) but I do know what
is actually going on here and why. It makes perfect sense to me. I even
know why they are counting to 13. Do you? That is because I have actually
looked into Stockhausen's working methods. Have you?
"Every musical composition is built around our total musical experience?"
Who says so? A composer can only write from their own experience. To claim
that music has to speak to some lowest common denominator to be valid would
have left us at the plainchant stage. Now whilst that is clearly the case,
it is also clear that said lowest common denominator believes it has the
absolute right to come on here and look for composers they hate. Then bore
the rest of us stupid with their ignorance.
actually, i think the other direction is more common. i know a lot of
people, who listen (for instance) to mozart, but won't even accept
stockhausen as a composer. i mean, for them its just noise and not art.
maybe in your environment, there are a lot of people hating (for instance)
mozart while listening to stockhausen, but i am pretty sure, that is not
normal. as a (weak) proof: which kind of music is most played, popular and
selled? mozart or stockhausen? i guess it should be clear.
Why does KS's Electric Toothbrush Symphony receive less exposure than his
HSQ ? Just because helicopters are more spectacular than culinary utensils
the Kitchen Blender Quartet gets left on the shelf, along with the suites
for unaccompanied pepper grinder and the etudes for prepared waste disposal
unit. Have we learned nothing from JC ? I despair. So few of today's
audience are anywhere near to that state of suprahuman evolution necessary
to be able to appreciate such leaps of genius.
die Aufnahme hört sich leider sehr schlecht an. Stockhausen auf CD pressen
geht halt nur sehr bedingt, gerade mit so einem Stück, dass man ganz und
gar vor Ort erleben muß. Ich glaube daß die eigentliche beudeutung von dem
was Stockhausen gemacht hat erst später rauskommen wird - im Moment wollen
die Leute halt noch 'Musik' hören... aber die Realität ist tiefer, und
vieles was uns als Kind im Spiel zugänglich war ist nun unter all der
'Vernunft' begraben. Stocky ist wertvoll.
Either computer could be applied to either avant-garde and traditional, I
suppose. The point of the argument was to highlight the uselessness and
lack of efficacy when debating over avant-garde and "traditionalist" music,
much like the Mac/PC wars. But it could work if you assigned the schools of
thought those computers. I would suspect emulation software (or in the case
of wine, DLLs made to create an environment for Win programs) to be
polystylists, e.g. Alfred Schnittke.
To proceed, however, one must take into account the history of music. That
is what many avant-garde musicians have done — even Xenakis had to study
traditional Western music theory, even if his music doesn't necessarily
reflect this. Also, I wouldn't necessarily call any new work "avant-garde"
(I know you have not said this). There have been plenty of works that have
propelled art evolution and yet were considered "good" (subjective, I know)
by a majority.
der Mann ist ganz kreativ, aber ich finde ihn auch etwas tragisch als
Menschen, es wundert mich, dass er selbst in späteren Jahren sich nicht
wandelte, normalerweise macht man mit dem alter automatisch zugänglichere
musik, aber er kritisierte andere Künstler zudem, ich verstehe die
faszination für musik völlig, aber nicht wie jemand glücklich sein kann,
wenn er ausschließlich seine eigene welt mit musik beschreibt, ohne sich
groß zu öffnen
People approving this and putting others, who love (for instance) Mozart,
down, don't realize how ignorant they are themselves. I know people who are
very interested in experimental, avant-garde music, like that by
Stockhausen, but at the same time will never stop listening to the classic
composers. Their music will always be intriguing and moving to them, which
doesn't mean they'll neglect what's new.
Well said! I also am of the opinion that many people who don't like this
kind of music are generally just very ignorant about it and prefer to be in
their Mozartian comfort-zones. Which is fine. And hey, they could all live
on McDonalds for the rest of their life's, but there are some of us who
want to explore the world of music and experience new things. We shouldn't
be penalized for that..
Before anyone calls me someone who dislikes this music, I'd be happy to
report to you that I am very well appreciative of avant-garde music. I just
don't appreciate all the hatred from some members of the movement, however,
toward those who listen to tonal music as well. I enjoy both — one minute I
listen to Vivaldi or Bach, and the next I listen to Xenakis or Ligeti, for
example.
You're using a grievously false dichotomy — simply because people are
"Mozartian" doesn't necessarily mean they're completely hermited to only
one period of music. Don't get me wrong — I love the Helicopter Quartet and
many other compositions by Stockhausen, but I don't necessarily think that
someone who only listens to tonal music is secluding themselves from other
music.
You know, an electric toothbrush symphony would not be bad at all. I could
just imagine the overtones created by a group of electric toothbrushes
running, and some of the fascinating dissonances created by it. I remember
when I was younger I used to listen to my mother's Sonicare with much
fascination as I heard the overtones created by the hum of the motor.
@SoernBabbat Schön, dass immer noch Sachen gefördert werden, die nicht der
Generalmeinung von Millionen entsprechen - Schönheit ist ein individueller,
freiheitlicher Begriff, der nicht von oben herab - und schon gar nicht vom
Staat festgelegt- und dementsprechend verallgemeinernd gefördert werden
sollte!
Have just received the first three parts of "Mittwoch" and am awaiting the
final 2 parts (including this) to arrive now. The opera is actually (like
much of "Licht" profoundly ritualistic and meditational). I will be
intrigued to see the liner notes for this. I shall then have the complete
"Licht" cycle!!
And faced with the incomprehensible gibberish from the obvious "Mozart
Fans" below, I would be more than happy to join you Stockhausen. Guys,go
and listen to "Eine Kleine" for 20,000,000th time, clutch your wine glasses
and "Oh, how divine" to each other and give the rest of us a break.
Case in point. I can actually listen to both Mozart and Stockhausen. Unlike
yourself obviously. Incidentally, check out Josef Myslevecek whilst your
sipping your brandies. It's where most of Mozart came from. Not that the
average Mozart fan would recognise the fact.
FYI I'm a composer myself of both, acoustic and electronic music, I have
composed symphonic music several times, and both of them are equally
difficult. And these noises are by no means "easy to make". It is way more
than turning knobs.
What people often forget is, that these noises are _easy_ to make. Turn
some knobs on a synthesizer, record some things in downtown, whatever... It
can be classified as "random". Writing a classical symphony is way harder,
believe me.
At the same time, however, I don't appreciate people from the tonal side of
the world barking at those who compose or appreciate the avante-garde. If
you don't like it, so be it, but please do not insult us as if we were
criminals!
Well then i suggest you Google the words "Licht" "Superformula" and
"Stockhausen" and then get back to me. Ignorance is not a virtue, the
Superformula technique may have its drawbacks but it is worth studying and
looking into.
"I don't understand why people are afraid of new ideas. I'm afraid of the
old ones." - John Cage Well said, Mr. Cage. Maybe I should become a
counterexample of those narrow-minded folks who doesn't tolerate such novel
stuff.
Fine, the criticisms are levelled at people who ONLY listen to Mozart and
Haydn (or the "greatest hits" of both, to be more precise) and then hold
them as the sole archetype to which everything should conform.
Einfach nur schrecklich - Just terrible Und das sind keine "neuen Ideen"
das is einfach nur bescheuert. Und sowas wird mit tausenden von euros
gefördert... Könnte man auch besser anlegen
das ist einfach nur bekloppt, nichts weiter. und dieser traum von seiner
flugkunst zeigt nur wie sehr er von anderen bewundert werden möchte... vier
geigen in hubschraubern... hirnrissig.
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[Arthaus 100412] ROSSINI, G.: Barbiere di Siviglia (Il) (DNO, 1992)
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