Joe Rogan Experience #419 - Lorenzo Hagerty (Part 2)
Lorenzo Hagerty is a former attorney, corporate CEO, and US Naval officer. He currently hosts the popular podcast "The Psychedelic Salon" Part 1 HERE ...
Dude I took X almost everyday for a year when I was 15-16 along with daily
pot use and mushrooms, I ended up in an insane depression for two years,
couldn't even form a sentance for awhile or handle social situations. They
really need to educate teens more on drugs, not just say all drugs are bad,
because I was a rebellious kid. lol. Anyways after the 2 year depression I
became a drunk and by 23 I was in and out of the hospital with health
problems. SObered up at 24, Now at 30, Iexcercise right, eat super healthy
and teach and practice yoga daily. Human beings are strange creatures and
beautiful, takes time for one to become self aware.sorry about the rant.
not looking for sympathy just telling my story. I once shit my pants in
public in shorts I was so out of it.
Plus, the priesthood doesn't produce pedophiles (proximity to kids attracts
pedophiles). Teachers, Psychologists, scout leaders, etc... It's not
rocket science.
Joe my respect for your achievements and being a good fighter and all that
but I think you lack wisdom..'no offence'..I know a lot of martial artists
that could go in the octagon and embarrass a lot of you guys. so keep it
real my friend and show a bit more respect to others!
+Aniruddha Sharma You said he doesn't have a background in a martial-art that's a part of MMA. That's false as he has a strong Jiu-Jitsu background. Oh and earning a background from Jean Jacques Machado is a very impressive accomplishment, one that requires loads of sparring and competing. I never said it wasn't an impressive accomplishment, but it still doesn't change the fact that his start and biggest accomplishments in martial arts were both in TKD. Jiu-Jitsu was something he picked up either just before or around the time he began working for the UFC.Anderson and Lyoto have never attributed their front-kicks to him. Seagal himself claimed responsibility for teaching them that kick, which is nonsense. The front snap-kick is something that you learn in your first day in Karate or Tae Kwon Do. And Anderson started with Tae Kwon Do and Lyoto started with Shotokan Karate. They never said that Seagal taught them that kick and in fact, Anderson recently put-out a video of him making fun of Seagal. Seagal is known as a fraud in the combat-sports community and Jon Jones basically asked him to piss off when Seagal wanted to 'teach him some moves'.So Anderson and Machida went from this:https://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Steven-Seagal-helped-Anderson-Silva-with-KO-fron?urn=mma-317407//www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/steven-seagal-ufcs-newest-guruTo this?//www.mmamania.com/2013/9/12/4723850/anderson-silva-distance-steven-seagal-training-ufc-168Yeah, something doesn't add up here. Besides, wasn't it you who said that Joe Rogan helped GSP throw a "proper" spinning back kick? Call me crazy, but I think the Kyokushinkai-based GSP was doing spinning back kicks long before he sought out Joe Rogan's help (in fact, he threw them in several of his early UFC fights). Joe Rogan provided him with the missing technique that fine tuned the kick and made it more effective. If you give him credit for that, then Seagal can get the same credit for the work he did with Anderson and Lyoto. Otherwise, you're just using a double standard.As for why Anderson and Lyoto broke off from Seagal: who knows? It wouldn't surprise me, though, if it was for personal reasons (Seagal's entire career has essentially been a study in rubbing people the wrong way) and Anderson is just trying to save face now.Did you just make a correlation between the hand-movements that Anderson does at times to the stuff Seagal does in his movies (which are choreographed sequences btw)? Lol, that is the definition of jumping at straws. Most of Anderson's hand-movements is to confuse and befuddle his opponents, which didn't work all that well in his last fight. And similar parries are a part of several martial-arts, not just Aikido.Yeah, I did. And I also know that they're choreographed sequences when Seagal does them in the movies. Still doesn't change the fact that the movements, when put in the hands of a competent user, can have effective real-world applications (such as the confusion and befuddlement you mentioned which, up until his last few fights, were working pretty well for Anderson in his world title fights). Nobody thought the low-line side kicks Bruce Lee used in his movies in the 1970's would be much use in a real fight either, and now look; they're virtually redefining MMA. A technique isn't fantasy simply because it's used in the movies.Of course, none of this really matters because you're right; those parries and hand waving motions could have come from a wide variety of martial arts. Given Anderson's relationship with Seagal, though, and the fact that TKD, Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ and judo typically don't use those kinds of hand movements, I'd say the odds are pretty good he learned them from Seagal and that you may even be seeing the beginnings of the next technical and strategic revolution in MMA.
+AceandScotch2 You said he doesn't have a background in a martial-art that's a part of MMA. That's false as he has a strong Jiu-Jitsu background. Oh and earning a background from Jean Jacques Machado is a very impressive accomplishment, one that requires loads of sparring and competing. Anderson and Lyoto have never attributed their front-kicks to him. Seagal himself claimed responsibility for teaching them that kick, which is nonsense. The front snap-kick is something that you learn in your first day in Karate or Tae Kwon Do. And Anderson started with Tae Kwon Do and Lyoto started with Shotokan Karate. They never said that Seagal taught them that kick and in fact, Anderson recently put-out a video of him making fun of Seagal. Seagal is known as a fraud in the combat-sports community and Jon Jones basically asked him to piss off when Seagal wanted to 'teach him some moves'.Did you just make a correlation between the hand-movements that Anderson does at times to the stuff Seagal does in his movies (which are choreographed sequences btw)? Lol, that is the definition of jumping at straws. Most of Anderson's hand-movements is to confuse and befuddle his opponents, which didn't work all that well in his last fight. And similar parries are a part of several martial-arts, not just Aikido.
+Aniruddha Sharma Joe has a Black-Belt in Jiu-Jitsu from the legendary Jean Jacques Machado and also another one from Eddie Bravo. Jiu-Jitsu is arguably the most important aspect of MMA.That's nice. Joe still doesn't fight though.As far as his Tae Kwon Do background goes, he has competed on a State and National level. And TKD has tons of application in MMA; there are an increasing number of guys who combine Boxing and TKD or Muay Thai for striking. Pettis is the first one to come to mind; coming from a TKD background, Pettis has incredible leg dexterity and fast, powerful kicks which he combines with Kickboxing for an excellent striking arsenal. Conor McGregor; he comes from a Boxing background but he has added a lot of TKD to his game and trains with the Irish National team. He uses his kicks primarily to set up punch combos.That's why I said TKD traditionally doesn't have a lot of application in MMA. Guys like Pettis, Wonderboy, and the like are recent phenomena. For a long time, TKD was dismissed (even by Rogan himself) as worthless for MMA. Who knows? Maybe one day Aikido will find it's way into MMA. In fact, it may even be starting now (more on that below).And unlike Seagal, Joe has actually taught fighters. He taught Dillashaw some kicking drills to improve his speed and precision and how to disguise his kicks, he also taught him choke positions on the D'arce choke. And most famously, he taught GSP how to throw a proper spinning back kick. Joe has an insane spinning back kick.When you put it like that, Seagal has taught fighters too; both Anderson and Lyoto Machida have attributed some of their new kicks to him and the waving/parrying hand motions Anderson sometimes does is similar to the hand-waving Seagal does in the movies.Oh and he has competed in Kickboxing tournaments too.So he says . . .
+AceandScotch2 Joe has a Black-Belt in Jiu-Jitsu from the legendary Jean Jacques Machado and also another one from Eddie Bravo. Jiu-Jitsu is arguably the most important aspect of MMA.As far as his Tae Kwon Do background goes, he has competed on a State and National level. And TKD has tons of application in MMA; there are an increasing number of guys who combine Boxing and TKD or Muay Thai for striking. Pettis is the first one to come to mind; coming from a TKD background, Pettis has incredible leg dexterity and fast, powerful kicks which he combines with Kickboxing for an excellent striking arsenal. Conor McGregor; he comes from a Boxing background but he has added a lot of TKD to his game and trains with the Irish National team. He uses his kicks primarily to set up punch combos.And unlike Seagal, Joe has actually taught fighters. He taught Dillashaw some kicking drills to improve his speed and precision and how to disguise his kicks, he also taught him choke positions on the D'arce choke. And most famously, he taught GSP how to throw a proper spinning back kick. Joe has an insane spinning back kick.Oh and he has competed in Kickboxing tournaments too.
+Aniruddha Sharma Both are actors, both have roots in a sport that traditionally doesn't have a lot of application in MMA, both are very opinionated about fighting despite never actually competing in pro MMA, both are extremely opinionated politically, and both are followed primarily by people who don't fight.