The Cause of Narcissism. Explaining How & Why They Become a Narcissist. Narcissistic Expert
In this training segment, Ross Rosenberg explains the early childhood conditions that are responsible for the development of Narcissistic Personality Disorder ...
You really miss the point that many children REFUSE to please the
Narcissistic parent - I was the favorite and knowingly quit - and knowingly
bore the consequences. You are saying the targeted kid just hasn't figured
it out - rethink.
+Orlean Turner If I had figured out about my mother what would have happened is, she would have completely absorbed me. She was like the infinite sponge. Some people wouldn't realize it until they were wiping her butt for her. If you did anything that didn't revolve around her, she got you. Once I failed a chemistry exam because I was doing her work so she wouldn't get fired from her job. Par for the course. Resistance is futile.
+msmay54 EMM means Emotional Manipulator, which is synonymous for pathological narcissist (Borderline Personality, Narcissistic, and Antisocial Personality Disorders and an addict.
Here is an OPPOSITE view: The Trophy Child, is the more damaged one,than
the WILLFUL one. And here is why: The Trophy Child is ONLY loved as an
"object." As a performer of outside behaviors, pleasing the parents. It
is, therefore, a false love, which, the Trophy child feels; "If I don't
get the good grades, I will not be loved." And so, grows up, not ever
having a sense of connection to a True Self. Whereas, the Willful Child,
though suffering from not being the favored one ( of two siblings let's
say)... at LEAST has a "will." ie. HAS a sense of self. A sense of "I
am me. Not what you want "me" to be. That is NOT me." The Trophy Child
has no self, in this regard. And THAT is where Narcissistic Personality
Disorder kicks in -- the purpose of which, is to CREATE a "Self." But,
since it is a "False Self"... it is in the realm of "Narcissism."
+kmoon50 Interesting! your idea sounds similar to his co-dep talk. I have been pondering a similar yet different twist on an idea too: 1. Trophy child, 'addicted' to receiving love. Love provided was over-exagerated, readily available, entitled, expected, easily manipulatable. Child therefore loves to be idolised, is confident/charming, will do anything (lying) to maintain the flow else will rage/tantrum. Needs large/constant quantities of love to maintain the 'high'. Adult becomes a 'priviledged love addict' will do anything to get the 'fix' + able to manipulate people into giving love. Love bombers, ' indiscriminate' lovers. 2. Love-deprived child. Obsessed with the idea of becoming the 'image' of something which could receive the love it never had. Preoccupied with self-image, demonstrating greatness & apparent superiority. Requiring constant feedback & reassurance of his image through the eyes of others. Self-absorbed, superior, critical, negative of others who don't match his perfection, resentful, cold, cannot feel love, obsessed with being the perfect love 'object'. Would love to recieve some input on this idea from anyone....?
They can be very charming on the surface. But the ones I've met will a get angry easily. It's almost like it gets tiring being nice so they let their true nature show.
I was terribly abused by my narcis mother from a very young age.. I began
fighting against her when I was a teenager. but I didn't know the world to
be any better and I did feel cut off... My sister was the willful who
teamed up with her against me.. my dad so hurt n down not in the picture..
I'm 22 trying to recover but I'm so out of love and all the feelings of it.
my innocence, emotions, and my intimacy were all thoroughly violated by my
disgusting mother
+BendyBus Song Also, you will benefit by going no contact while you get your legs under you. Just be prepared for your mother and sister to do everything they can to discourage you on your personal quest into your healthy future. Stay focused.
+Potatoslice Hang in there, potato, I was where you are now 20 years ago. I've done a lot of educating myself on interpersonal dynamics and dysfunctions over the years and I would tell my 22 year old self some things: One is to realize that everyone else doesn't have life all figured out either and so don't think everyone else is in on some kind of secret about how to live. Another is don't waste time trying to figure it all out to fix everything. Go ahead with singular purpose and make your life goals as far as education and career and proceed along that path. Do this first before you get heavy and serious about any romantic relationship.
Dr. Ross, what I just watched in this video described my entire life
without skipping a single beat. I'm 33 and my parents treated exactly what
you described. and I carry the difficulty, pain, and everything you
described. I don't know if what I'm feeling is normal.
The way I cope is by staying stimulated by working or "keeping myself
busy." I just recently got laid off from my job and I haven't been busy.
Then my mind have been thinking of negative thoughts, because working was
my only way of coping. So I knew something was wrong with me. I recently
made an appointment to see a therapist. But I ran in to your video and my
jaw dropped. You described my whole life in 6 minutes. My only question is
how to I take care of this so I can feel normal again. I'll do whatever it
takes.
Hi Ross, interesting lecture! I just have a couple questions:
1. What are your thoughts on children developing narcissism or
narcissistic traits as a result of being idealized?
2. Do you think that narcissism can be developed from having role models
who are egocentric or narcissistic?
Thanks!
+Ross Rosenberg Thank you for your response. Of course, I am not sure whether or not your book will answer the questions I have. I would be happy to read it if you would send me a copy, free of charge.Thanks.
Chris, I am sorry, I am unable to answer questions as I get hundreds of them. I suggest you read my book or watch the full seminar, entitled, Reversing the Human Magnet Syndrome. You can find them at www.HumanMagnetSyndrome.com. Best. Ross
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Narcissists inflict unimaginable terror upon their children. Narcissists
hate other human beings, especially their children, because of their
potential.
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Who isn't a narcissist? Seriously? In a society where individualism is a
core value, where "care less for others" is an acceptable and often
praised, narcissism develops. As a consequence, you have people who see
everything as potential exploits. Cheers
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Have you ever felt that everyone is a narcissist? I think they are, others
are just better at getting what they want or do so in a more sophisticated
pleasant way than we, the love starved, can manage to. They know what they
want and how to get it because they were raised by parents who modeled
these things for them. We weren't raised knowing what real love and
acceptance is and therefore what exactly it is to work towards. We aren't
bad people, we're just broken mirrors. People get mad because we take what
they give us, but don't know how to reflect it back properly, it doesn't
mean we don't care, appreciate, or want to give back; their own base
narcissistic nature begins to show when dealing with a chronic narcissist,
(someone who has never known love) they don't like how ugly and unloved
they all of a sudden feel around us, It's unusual to them, and since every
narcissist needs someone to blame, we become the bad guys, they bounce back
and we are again abandoned.
How can a narcissist be healed, when he is ego syntonic?
I have been with a narcisstist for the last two years and have suffered a
lot. Especially as I am trained in psychology and had a lot of self
experience all my life, I found myself dependent and unfree. It made me
furious, very angry, to lose control over my life. "My Narcissist" is from
an arab country, also. In those cultures men are being raised as
narcissists. Abuse is daily routine.
Healthy communication is totally alien to him, as well es being empathic
towards himself or others, especially women. Women are there to serve the
men, to please them, to dress for them etc. It is a narcissistic culture. I
tried to seperate from him so many times, but he came back and made it
plausible to me that there was hope for change. But there wasn't. He just
knew exactly what to say, being totally hollow inside of him at the same
time. His words and deeds were never aligned or in harmony.
I am a deep person, but he was shallow. No conversation was possible,
without ending up in fights and ignoring each other for days. For him I was
"the professor", who had to be devaluated for the intelligence and
positivity. He seemed to be driven by a dark force, that was eager to kill
everything that was good in a person: laughter, joy, creativity,
compassion, hope, confidence, trust. I had the feeling of being trapped and
seduced by the personified evil. I can feel the energy behind words very
well. And I never felt genuine compassion or love behind any of his words.
When he said "We will find a solution" I didn't feel hope. I felt just
pain, because there was no genuine energy reaching my heart. I knew I
couldn't heal him. And I knew there was no way to fill the lack inside of
him. One time I put his hand onto his heart and said "There is the love you
seek." - hoping he would feel the effect that it can create to get in touch
with oneself.
I felt like a butterfly in a spider web. I couldn't free myself. I also had
dreams of this scenario. It was a time full of uncertainty and pain, loss
and tears, drama, lies, no hope for a future together in the face of his
ups and downs, manic and depression episodes. He was in control of
proximity and distance, I was left behind with irritation...
And on the other side I never felt so coveted. I will never forget his warm
hugs and his soothing voice. He had the most beautiful lips and hands I
have ever seen. But he hurt me so deeply and he was never truly available
for me and my needs. That made me really sick.
I am now seperated and blocked his numbers on all of my phones. I hope this
will save me from any further violation.
my brother hates me so much..he would love to go to my funeral as soon as
possible..he would love to see me murdered cause he can't do it himself..I
dared to become an american and leave islam , the only religion allah sent
to humanity..! so I'm a traitor and not worthy of this life..he makes my
life hell and put me in a small box...his energy is so negative and
distractive to me ...it's exhausting ..!
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Nothing makes more uncomfortable and even enraged to a narcissist than being told "I love you". First of all, the narcissist hates women and second, ...
Dr Vakin: If memory serves me correctly (and I have a disease/symptoms
cause "varied short-term memory loss", so I apologize if I'm mistaken, I
seem to recall that you mentioned you were also OCD - ? If so - do you
believe that could be a factor with the "Love-feeling" frustration you
discuss herr?
Please, also - if you see this and have time, address the female Narcissist
in this contex - (My young sister is Narcissistic. - yet to be EVER
diagnosed - I however was a student if Sociology/Psychology - and just for
understanding the point Journalusm and History (Majors/Majors and Minors) -
then - professional applied experience (children/adolescents primarily),
and an outstanding team of peers and research/outcome studies with our
treatment plans/program.
Be that as it may - "I can't see well inside my own fishbowl" - which
includes - my family-or maybe my denial -
My sister is cleary a Narcissist (dad was as well. The one above me is a
CLASSIC TEXTBOOK SOCIOPATH (I clearly define Sociopath - as an Adult
Manipulative Bully that meets ALL THE STANDARD CRITERIA as I consider a
Psycopath - a sad result of genetics and a risk for potential of multiple
bodies.
For the point of this, I beg your indulgence, should you disagree eith my
definitions.
Now - little sister - a born Lesbian - and never an issue with her
sexuality from a family member. Dp you feel that this female case and
others fall in a different "reaction" category. Because - SHE IS THE MOST
NEEDY AND CONSTANT POSITIVE PRAISE COMMENT NECESSARY - INDIVIDUAL - I'VE
KNOWN - +/- the curve. She had one long term partner that was tragically
loss in an auto accident - other than that - all her relationships are
temporary - and less as she ages. She is an alcoholic and durning daily
drinking episodes - she goes fro kind and appearing normal TO The Most
selfish, self-centeted, arrogant BITCH and is so Jekyll/Hyde - has been for
YEARS. Dad did too - but didn't drink daily.
And she demands I say "Love You" when she's departing or calls at bedtime.
This is an interesting case - I am 8 yrs her senior - was the primary
caretaker - (mom and dad wete work-aholics and not discliplined parents -
divorced - and I took care lil sis and the home (I was a popular/active in
school/Band/Cheerleading/Homecoming Court - overachiever - maybe she is
angry w me???
But I'm think SHE WANTS EVERYONE TP LIKE/LOVE HER - COURSE ONCE SHE GETS
THAT - SHE DESTROYS IT -
SHE IS NOT OCD - "I AM TERRIBLE OCD"!
Thank you sir and apologies for "the story" - Journalism ;-)
Thank you so - for your work and gifts of understanding!
P.S. YOUR WIFE --- A SAINT!!!
+Beth Bartlett Your sister sounds like my sister. She has been such a horrible BITCH to me for no reason that makes any sense my whole life that I haven't talked to her in several years and never will again. She is so sick in the head that she fired her therapist after seeing him 2 to 3 times a week for something like 8 years. She told me that he got to where he wouldn't say anything at all during "session." Plus she got herself blocked from calling the suicide hot line. She had been "suicidal" for years but never made good on her threats. She LOVED to torture people like that, turning caring people into calloused people. That way she could feel real sorry for herself that nobody gave a damn enough anymore to stay on the phone with her for hours and listen to her giant PSYCHOTIC rampages. Talk about being bent in on oneself! Bent in and twisted to a shocking degree! I don't believe there is any cure for someone this SELFISH, especially as she has no desire to be anything other than a psychotic BITCH.
in highschool i called my mother from boarding school because i realized i
hadn't told her or been told by her i love you in so long i couldn't
remember. when i said "i just called because i want to tell you i love
you" , her instantaneous response was "STOP IT… STOP IT KAREN"…. in
other words, I AGREE!!! AND YET, decades later when i BEGGED her on the
phone to tell me she doesn't love me… i BEGGED!!!!!! TO BE let off the
hook, she refused. TOTAL selfishness. love to all you children of
narcissists like me… it won't WORK!!!!!!! ACCEPT the disorder. it
isn't YOU!!!!
+karen goldman I'm talking about you. And yes, Sam was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder three times in his life. He ignored it the first two times, saying that he didn't have it (common Narcissistic traits) but got help when he hit rock bottom. He dedicated his life to helping others with the same problems, you coming here and pretending to be a Narcissist frankly is quite insulting.
hi. are you talking about sam vakin? i do not believe he is a narc for the same reason you site. no narc would post videos like this. he scares me. i will not watch his videos anymore.
You're not a Narcissist. A Narcissist doesn't come to videos like this and say "I'm a Narcissist". In a Narcissist's eyes, it is weakness. A Narcissistic trait is a sign of imperfection. They think of themselves as Gods. They do not care about you, what you feel, how you feel. If you think you might be a Narcissist, see a mental health professional. This all coming from a professionally diagnosed Schizoid.
I am curious? You seem like you understand my condition very well but there
seems to be an element of hatred to your videos. I have watched many of
them and you are incredibly accurate but seem to show no compassion to the
person suffering from this condition. You and I are aware of the impact
those of us with this condition have on those around us but you don't seem
to care about us. We didn't wish this upon ourselves. So are your videos
only for the people we have an affect on or do you care about us too Sam?
Perhaps its because Sam is a self admitted narcissist himself. He speaks the truth from an educated place. Hi own, uncaring if you will, place. But its honest.
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I agree with Annemarie You described the N that I was with to a T.I was
only with him for a year and a half and I can honestly say nothing in my
adult life has dammaged me like that experience. After he degraded and
discarded me the final time. - I was having incredible disabling symptoms
I also felt like I was left with the enemy.... me - because a part of me
knew the whole time there was something terribly wrong , but I took the
candy so to speak " Here little girl have some candy " between the abuse he
would put out the so called candy and I became addicted and could not say
no evern though time and time again it would mean more and increasingly
more cruel abuse.. I have been in no contact for 9 months and am just
starting to get myself on my feet - I am sick of needing to educate
therapists about the devistating effect of these relationships and would
really love to learn of someone who might help me to heal the underlying
trauma that influenced me to become so easily conditioned to ignore my self
loving instincts .I know its about loving and caring for my self and
about identifying and grieving the original wounds but am unsure how to go
about doing that . .Thank God I am out. I need lots of help to pick up the
pieces and to love those pieces and forgive them and have faith they will
come back together in a more integrated and strong version of the lovely
women who mistakenly entered this nightmare and she was lovely ...once. God
bless you . Margie
+margie canty hi margie! sounds to me like you already know how to go about identifying and grieving the original wounds....it is an obscure concept, really. awareness, acceptance, allowing.....the author David Richo wrote some amazing books on these three words...."How to be an Adult", "When the Past is Present".....amazing writings i wish you all the best xo