Matt Cutts explains the difference between how Google interprets underscores and dashes in a URL. Have a question? Ask it in our Webmaster Help Forum: ...
Mr. Cutts, Thank you for taking the time to explain what Google does with _
and -. However, I'm a Cuttlet who would rather see the _ used as a
separator and joiner in the url. Index both. For years I've made pages with
_ in the url for the same reason the original Google kids made _ a join
operator. Because I write my code like that. I really only care about it in
the url. My urls are helpful to the user's experience. A keyword in the url
should be worth at least as much as in an H3 tag IMHO.
PLEASE UPVOTE There is also a usability problem with having underscores in
URLs. Since URLs are generally displayed with an underline, an underscore
in the URL could potentially get "lost" in the user's eyes. Thus, that
underscore may be perceived as a space. This may be not be a problem if the
user just needs to click on the URL (wherein the perception whether its an
underscore or space doesn't matter), but it may be a problem in cases such
as dictating the URL to a friend over a phone, etc.
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Bug; You're thinking of domain names, yes? Traditionally only 37 characters
have been allowed in domain names: a-z, 0-9, and -. Upper or lower case is
irrelevant in the domain name. Some phrases should never have their spaces
removed. For example: penisland (net) -> pen-island, speedofart (com) ->
speed-of-art, are real sites with unfortunate names. More people should use
that hyphen. BTW, China (and other countries) want domains with the full
unicode set.
So, basically, instead of incorporating some kind of override or
countermeasure purposed to alleviate potential confusion, such as searching
for underscored terms in quotes or providing a colon function to specify a
search for wildcard text, you decided to keep this outdated method of
searching as part of your core search functions? With no alternative
options, nonetheless?
A brief moment while we search for any remaining common sense here.
Reasons why underscore is better than hyphen to separate words in friendly
urls: 1. It's much more readable 2. "Nineteenth- and twentieth‑century
writers" becomes "Nineteenth--and-twentieth‑century-writers". In some
languages, fe. finnish the hyphens are used extensively to join words
together. (see Wikipedia article for hyphen for more examples) Being a
finn, I'm not too happy about Google forcing me to use the ugly hyphens.
If we talk about URL (and even in code), we do use underscore mostly as a
word separator, don't we? The fact that both words are tight together is
just another data about these value, and this rule should also apply to
hyphens which is also used to "join words". Actually from what I read
"dashes" and "hyphens" are different thing and people really type hyphens
from what I understand. I repeat, hyphens are used to "join words".
Paradoxically with the historic reason, lot of developers are used to use
underscore to separate keyword, so it is/was more likely that they use the
same pattern to name their resource/filename. However, with all the SEO
talk, hyphen gained the popularity contest. Without that, we would see more
underscore in URLs. Only potential valid reason for hyphen would be that it
is easier to type/read for non-techy (?)
Could I suggest that you add an option in webmaster tools "split on
underscore". By default this is off. So if you are one of the idiot
"underscore" webmasters like me you can opt in. This should then mean that
the project to split is really a lot simpler to implement in respect of
checking for webwide impact etc. You'll be producing better quality
results! Smart idea eh? Regards, Mark
Lovely. I hope you understand that calling anyone retarded makes you sound
like one. Unless of course you're thirteen years of age or under. It's
simple really. With dashes you lose the possibility to revert a friendly
url back to it's exact original form as the dash character gets a double
meaning (it can be a space or a dash). With underscore you don't lose that
information.
Let's be clear, this is a well made, helpful video. That said... So you're
inherently disadvantaging any CMS that uses underscores in its URLs by
indexing things in a confusing, arbitrary way because of a programming
decision make over two decades ago. And since fixing it hasn't been a
priority for over two decades, it probably never will be. Just making sure
we're clear.
Idea to index the parts AND the sum (i.e. tmp, max, tmp_max for "tmp_max")
is interesting. Idea to let the webmaster define how their website URL are
defined are interesting for a "search engine" point of view (would prefer a
global standard to define this, rather than Google only). I am sure, at
least I hope, some people at Google have thought of these ideas already.
THIS ALSO EFFECTS SEARCHING IN GOOGLE APPS DRIVE! FILES WITH UNDERSCORE
DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE SEARCH RESULT. Funny though they appear in
Autocomplete but not later in the searchs result list. This is very
disturbing and I cannot find any information that it will com a change and
now we are writing 26 August 2015!
@polyglut Yeah I agree. It's terrible when a company has a service and then
tells us how to make best use of it. It's as bad as those help pages for
all the software on my computer. How dare they tell me how to use it, now
other people are going to be more productive than me because they are
reading the same docs.
I don't think people should adapt to Google, but Google should find way to
get the most out of content about real usage (and it probably does on most
point). People should however do the "right" thing, and that is where I
would support Google, but then I have to be convinced it is the "right"
thing. ;-)
Dashes instead of underscores is a no-brainer. The real question is,
dashes, or no dashes? In other words, is redwidgets better than
red-widgets? And does the correct answer (if there is one) depend on
whether the dash or no dash term is in the domain itself, versus a folder
or filename?
Keep in mind that it is the search engines that should adapt to find good
websites and not otherwise. Do thing right and they should find you. Of
course in practice, we cannot wait for Google to fix their low-priority
tasks and we want to take advantage of every tiny bit of SEO.
I was looking for the answer to which one was better UNDERSCORES vs DASHES
and this video seemed to sum it up pretty quick. Matt indicates dashes are
better but if you already have lots of URLS with underscores, don't bother
to go back and change them. Thanks for the advice.
Thanks Matt for the valuable instruction!!! Although dashes in the URls
play a crucial role in the SEO prospect, it’s not recommended for the sites
already have indexed on search engine. However, use dashes instead of
underscores for new sites for better ranking impact.
Please Google, do not use _underscore as a separator, we have lost
"define:" operator in searches and I still miss the time when I could
search for strings in a back-trace and find relevant information that has
helped find a solution..
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Music by Hoyt S. Curtin. This music is available in a compilation called "Pic-a-Nic Basket", by Rhino Records. This compilation, copyright 1996 by Rhino ...
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Destiny SFM Underscore
So I wanted to try my hand at scoring animation, after some quick searching I found the intro to this video to be the perfect candidate. This doesn't count for ...
Elijah Manor - Using Underscore.js to Solve Common Problems
Recorded August 9, 2012 at the Nashville .NET User Group (//nashdotnet.org). Underscore.js is a very powerful JavaScript library that provides a suite of ...
The "Exterminating Common jQuery Bugs" shows the presentation, but the
beginning of this one is not. I'm sure this will be as excellent as the
other presentation, I'm searching for the slide deck now.
A Golden Gate - Mob of the Dead underscore (Black Ops II Uprising DLC)
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in gameplay, at about 20 seconds into the underscore, does anyone else
notice and get creeped out by the bell sound that plays? i think it is from
nuketown zombies.
Here is a mix I made of all my favorite underscore moments taken from this out-of-print 4 CD box set I had the chance of purchasing in the 1990s. The music is by ...
Genius.....I love it, takes me back. I'm collecting anything I can get my
hands on from Hannah Barbera. I have all of the Flintstones (my favorite),
and I'm starting my Jetsons and Josie and Pussycats collection. Thanks so
much for sharing
The use of African and South American vibes and percussion is SO important
to the sound of this music and the lively tone of the cartoon in general,
it's amazing.
It's not in the Public Domain. It is the property of Time-Warner. The life
of the composer is not the issue since it was work for hire and is
corporately owned.