ISKCON-International Society of Krishna Consciousness-Hare Krishna: It’s a
fact, we started out racist against blacks, homophobic against gays, sexist
against women, anti-Semitic against Jews and thoroughly against all others
who don’t believe in our illusions, fairytales and fantasies and we still
are today, but we love our cows, and we eat our vegetarian meals.
We have lovingly grown up in the past 50-years to be known as specialist in
child sexual abuse, child sexual torture, slave labor, mind-control,
thought-reform and brainwashing.
We put the god in Krishna, and our bone in your kids.
We will put you in such a hypnotic altered robotic state with our chanting,
meditation and mind control techniques that your family and friends won’t
recognize you, and you will be washing our feet and drink the dirty water
as if it was nectar, enjoying it, and asking for more.
Even though we are not material, we love your money too, so you can become
more spiritually advanced with Krishna, and us with your money, and with no
more child sex abuse scandals unless of course we get caught again to pay
attorney fees and the pittance of a small settlement we had to give your
tortured and sexually abused kids last time we got caught. Yes, we are
celibate but we like our sex with your young kids.
Cheers to the free market system, now chant a couple rounds and tell
everyone how “happy” you are. Sell, sell, sell those books, and recruit
unsuspecting others to believe in the illusion but please spend wisely as
we would love to take your money for Krishna.
But please DO NOT go on the internet, there are smart people and ex-members
out there who figured it out and think it is wrong for us Gurus “as good as
god” to take your money, abuse you, your kids, your brains while ruining
your lives and now you know why we can’t stand outsiders who ridicule us
and make up TRUE stories of the terrible abuse and for us taking your
money, lives, kids and brains. Now go chant a couple rounds.
And whoever said “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting a different result” never chanted the same 3-words 1,728 times
every day (Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare
Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare).
You chant, you meditate, and we control you.
Keep chanting as we need your free forced slave labor, money and your mind
to continue.
We are your caring Pedophile Gurus of ISKCON Hare Krishna.
Carl Woodham UF Gainesville a/k/a/ Kalakantha Dumb Das ACBSP
+HariDhun The power of social influence is great — and sometimes dangerous. Wouldyou know if someone or something else was controlling your mind?You know how the sayinggoes: With great power comes great responsibility. Unfortunately, psychology atits most powerful can be entirely stripped of responsibility. Groups like ISIS don’tuse just violence to get their messages across, they use psychologicaltechniques to recruit and keep members. Cults and controversial religiousgroups gain followers and power by instilling lifestyles of fear and obedience— arguably rewiring people’s brains and manipulating their minds. Members,then, begin to act in ways unrecognizable to family and friends, leading someto wonder: Have they lost their minds? But what is “mind control”?How does it work? And just how much are we influenced by those in our socialspheres? Furthermore, is there hope for those who have fallen victim to thiskind of psychological abuse?The Differencebetween Healthy and Unhealthy InfluenceMany experts argue thatmind control and social influence — how much your emotions, behaviors, and evenopinions are affected by other people — occurs on a continuum. It can rangefrom good and healthy, like friendship, to negative and unhealthy, likeimprisonment. Healthy social influencerespects individuality, free will, conscientiousness, honesty, integrity, andaccountability, says Steve Hassan, one of the foremost experts on mind controland cults, and author of Combating Cult Mind Control: The #1Best-Selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults:25th Anniversary Edition. Witha healthy parent-child influence, for example, the parent is influencing thechild to be his or herself and grow up to be a good adult, he says.But on the negativeside, influence is destructive. It becomes “about control and obedience,cloning people in the image of the group, not encouraging individuality orcreativity, regulating what people read or who they can associate with, and theinstallation of phobias,” he tells Yahoo Health.How can you tell thedifference? “Ethical groups tell you up front what they want and who they are,”says Hassan. There is what he calls “informed consent” among members. But withcults and groups that practice mind control, there’s “a lot of deception, a lotof lies, and people don’t know what they’re getting into.”What is a cult, in thefirst place? Hassan says there are a “million definitions, from theological tosociological. I define a destructive cult as an authoritarianpyramid-structured group that uses deception in recruitments and mind controlto keep people dependent and obedient.” Of course, there are benign cults, too— people who are into rock stars or musicians, for example. And cults aren’talways religious. For example, Hassan calls the Islamic State of Iraq andash-Sham (better known as ISIS) a political cult that happens to use religion.And cults can be all sizes — one-on-one or a state with millions of people. Most cult leaders, headds, believe what they are preaching — which makes them more dangerous. Thevast majority of leaders are narcissistic, probably personality disordered, andhave some antisocial characteristics, he adds.Hassan would know. At19, he was recruited into the Unification Church of the United States,eventually growing into a leadership position within the cult and breaking awayafter two-and-a-half years. In a nutshell, the church is a destructive cultwhose position is that founder “Sun Myung Moon was the new Messiah and that hismission was to establish a new ‘kingdom’ on Earth,” Hassan writes in his book.“I wasn’t looking tochange religions when I was recruited,” says Hassan. “I was situationallyvulnerable. I was a junior in college, my girlfriend had just dumped me, andone day, three women approached me and we started chatting. I thought they wereinterested in me. They didn’t tell me they were celibate. I had no idea thatthey were part of a cult. If they had told me what they believed, I wouldn’thave had them sit down.”Mind-Control TacticsExplainedAfter that initialconversation, the women Hassan had met invited him on a weekend getaway. “Iworked on weekends but happened to get that weekend off, so I thought, ‘Am Isupposed to go to this?’” he remembers. Hassan attended what turned out to be atextbook recruitment weekend for the group. He was isolated, deprived of sleep,had no privacy, and had hypnotic techniques practiced on him. “Day by day, theywore me down and put ideas in my head — like that World War III was about tohappen between the Soviet Union and the U.S. I wasn’t religious, but within aday, it was all about God. When I said, ‘I’m Jewish — I’m not interested inChristianity,’ they did the classic technique of trying to make me feel guiltyfor being close-minded. Within two weeks, they had their hooks in me. I wasmade a leader in the cult. I changed into a stranger.”What Hassan knows now isthat that weekend, he fell victim to the initial stages of mind control —something that, years later, he would become an expert counselor in.Defined by Philip Zimbardo, PhD, professor emeritus at Stanford University andformer president of the American Psychological Association, mind control is:The process by which individual or collective freedom of choice and actionis compromised by agents or agencies that modify or distort perception, motivation,affect, cognition and/or behavioral outcomes. It is neither magical normystical, but a process that involves a set of basic social psychologicalprinciples.But don’t noncultreligions and groups also have influence over us — and what we think and believe?Hassan says that if religious indoctrination is respecting people’s free will,is love-based, and allows people to leave if they want to, then it’s on thebenign or constructive side of the influence spectrum.The process of mindcontrol includes a slew of steps, including isolating people, interruptingtheir information flow, doing an information overload, throwing off theirbalance, or creating mystical experiences. All of these, and more, are part ofa set of criteria developed by renowned psychiatrist Robert J. Lifton that mustbe met in order for one to be mind controlled.1. Milieu Control. This involvesthe control of information and communication both within the environment and,ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree ofisolation from society at large.2. Mystical Manipulation. There ismanipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were plannedand orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divineauthority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that willthen allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as heor she wishes. 3. Demand for Purity. The world isviewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform tothe ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction ofguilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here. 4. Confession. Sins, asdefined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor orpublicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members'"sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussedand exploited by the leaders. 5. Sacred Science. The group'sdoctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond allquestioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewiseabove criticism. 6. Loading the Language. The groupinterprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outsideworld does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminatingclichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to thegroup's way of thinking. 7. Doctrine over person. Member'spersonal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contraryexperiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of thegroup. Dispensingof existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the rightto exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means thatthose in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and theymust be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the groupor are critical of the group, then they must be rejected bythe members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. Inconjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejectedalso. Hassan developed his ownmodel, called the BITE model, based on Lifton’s criteria that determines justhow much social influence a group has over someone. BITE stands for behaviorcontrol, information control, thought control, and emotionalcontrol. You can go through each of those components and size up where a groupfalls, he says. Hassan refers to ISIS as a mind-control cult on the extremenegative end of the spectrum. Are Brainwashing andMind Control the Same Thing?An extreme version ofmind control has been referred to as brainwashing, a term coined during theKorean War. Initially, it referred to prisoners of war taken by force whoappeared to — over time and through enduring torture — buy into the communistpoint of view. Later, people began applying the term to nonforce situations,explains Hassan. But experts are divided on the use of the word — and the ideaitself. Some argue that it’s outdated and specious. Others suggest it existsonly to describe forceful situations.“Brainwashing probablydoes, as a term, apply to the prisoners who turned in the Korean War, but itmeets the criteria of decisions and changes in outlook and philosophy thatoccur under extreme duress,” H. Newton Malony, master of divinity, PhD, andformer senior professor at the Graduate School of Psychology at FullerTheological Seminary, tells Yahoo Health. (Malony is considered a “cultapologist,” a term given to experts who — controversially — don’t automaticallyassume that just because someone is different or is in a cult like group meansthat he or she is “brainwashed” or under mind control. Maloney has also servedas a resource to the church of Scientology.)We all disagree withISIS and its social influence, for example. ISIS cannot be defended in the waythey line people up and kill them. “Mind control and coercive persuasion occurwhen a person is not free to counter a thought or enter into a dialogue. AndISIS’ actions represent the ultimate duress,” says Malony.“Brainwashing is fartoward the destructive end of influence,” adds Hassan. “It implies force —kidnapping, beatings, branding, or threatening to kill.”With mind control, onthe other hand, there’s an illusion of having control over your own life, saysHassan. There’s benevolence toward teachers or respected individuals “above”you, and “taking over someone” requires a process, he says.The Dark Side ofSocial InfluenceLess radical groups usepsychological tactics, as well. Take the homeschooling education program Advanced TrainingInstitute, used by thereality-TV-famous Duggar family — where sexualabuse is, in a way, taught to be something that can be blamed on the immodesty of the victim.I have a real issue withany group where there’s no encouragement for people to have a conscience, andwhere a group proposes ideas like that women have to dress a certain way,”Hassan says. “That’s not on the healthy side of the continuum in my opinion.”Be wary of any group, he says, that uses ‘us versus them’ or ‘good versus evil’simplistic ideology and can’t consider things from a different point of view.Scientology is anothergroup with recruitment tactics and practices that have been criticized as cultlike — particularly the practice of cutting ties with former members, andsuggesting that current members to cut ties with those who don’t share theirbeliefs. “I’ve often felt that social shunning — where … [some religiousgroups] would not allow a person who left to have any contact with the group —is pretty powerful for us human beings. We are social animals and value familyand people to a great degree,” says Malony.The most powerful partof mind control, though, may come from the “t” part of Hassan’s BITE model:thought control. “Early on in my involvement with the cult, my father calledand told me he read an article that Moon [founder of the Unification Church ofthe United States] had a gun factory,” he remembers. Normally, that would havestirred up doubt about Moon and the group. But Hassan had been trained by thegroup to do what he refers to as “thought stopping” to avoid critical thinking.So instead of asking his father: “How do you know that? What proof do youhave?” he started chanting in his mind things like “crush Satan.”“You become so polarizedagainst the outside world,” he says. “There’s a tremendous amount of fear thatyou need to do things the right way.”The Installation ofPhobias as Part of Mind ControlWhen the movie Jaws wasreleased in 1975, a new phobia of sharks was born. People took their boats outof the ocean and kept their kids on the shoreline. “People became afraid,” saysHassan. “But the truth is that shark attacks are rare.” The point is, the movieled to a misfiring of our protection system — our way of safeguarding ourselvesto perceive danger, says Hassan.Similarly, mind-controlgroups use phobia indoctrination, says Hassan, to keep members obedient.Sometimes, these can be personalized based on what a group learns about aperson. Other times, they’re broader: that you’ll get cancer, be hit by a bus,or your family will be killed if you leave the group. While Hassan was in theUnification Church of the United States, he “was drilled with the fear of evilspirits,” he says. “I didn’t even believe in spirits before I joined the group.But when The Exorcist movie came out, Moon gave a lecture saying thatthis is what would happen if you left the church.”Sometimes, in extremecases like sex trafficking or terrorism, these phobias aren’t just talkedabout — they are actual, possible outcomes. “Killing is not just a threat inyour mind. It’s something real that happens, as seen through the way ISISkills,” says Hassan.So if someone is heldunder these mental conditions, Hassan says they can’t imagine leaving the groupand being happy and fulfilled: “The moment they can, they are out the door.”The Power of theSituationBut why don’t peoplejust leave a mind-controlling group, you may wonder.“The public tends toblame the victim and see people who have been mind controlled as weak ordefective instead of that they were subjected to a social influence program,”says Hassan. “And what social psychology teaches is that we are very socialbeings — we are hardwired to conform to what we perceive to be our socialgroup. People identify with and follow who we believe to be authority figures,and this can be taken advantage of.”In fact, socialinfluence is much more powerful than you may realize. Take the classic and controversial Stanford prison experiment that Zimbardo conducted in 1973. (Ethically, itwould never be allowed today.) He recruited Stanford college students toparticipate in a two-week experiment, in which 10 students pretended to beprisoners and 11 acted as guards. But the study didn’t last two weeks; it spunout of control, and after only six days, the prisoners were showing signs ofdepression, anger, and anxiety. The guards harassed prisoners, acting insadistic ways. The study — which is taught in psychology classes around theworld — sheds light on the idea of the power of the situation.It’s research andtheories like this, that could explain — at least in part — high-profile caseslike that of Patty Hearst, granddaughter of publishing tycoon Randolph Hearst,who was abducted at age 19 by the terrorist group Symbionese Liberation Army, andwent on to conduct a slew of crimes including robbing a bank.Can Anyone Be MindControlled? There’s an importantdistinction between people who join cults and leave a previous life, and peoplewho were born into a situation, says Hassan. “For people born in, that’s allthey know, and there’s a difference there in terms of sense of self. When I wasrecruited, my real identity got broken down and replaced by a cult identity.”Take ISIS, for instance.Islam is, in itself, a peaceful religion, and most practitioners don’t agreewith the extremist views of ISIS, which promotes violence in the name of thefaith. But ISIS uses (and twists) concepts from Islam — concepts that may bemore familiar to someone who is Muslim, who could be the target of recruitment.“You would have to say that their decision is not entirely counter to theculture around them, while it may seem incredibly counter to someone else,”Malony says.The flipside, accordingto Hassan, is that people have vulnerabilities. “If someone is broken up ormoving to a new city or graduating or has an illness or death, they may be moresusceptible to someone new entering their life, because they’re vulnerable,”says Hassan. And people who may have trouble reading social cues correctly, orwho have a very rule-bound approach to reality, can also be suggestible to cultrecruitment, he adds.Scarily enough, fallingsubject to mind control feels a lot like falling in love, says Hassan.“You have that strong feeling to be with someone, so you commit — that’s oneslice of what it feels like,” he explains. “You feel swept up in this veryintense emotional state. You have this very strong belief and hope that whatyou’re doing is the right thing.”Where it differs fromfalling in love: There’s an “extreme dissonance between your real identity andyour cult identity,” explains Hassan. For him, it was tumultuous going in andtumultuous coming out. In his pre-cult life, Hassan was a poet who read threebooks a week — to him, the essence of being human was being creative. But inthe cult, he was told to cut his hair and wear a suit, go to bed at the sametime every night, and throw out his poetry as a sign of devotion to God (whichhe did). “I became like the opposite of who I was before,” he says. “Lifebecame about following orders.”Undoing the DamageFor two-and-a-halfyears, Hassan followed the orders of the cult — until one day, he fell asleepat the wheel of a car and rear-ended an 18-wheeler. He wound up in thehospital, lucky be alive, and called his sister. Since she had never criticizedhis involvement in the cult — or accused him of being mind controlled — he wasallowed to visit her in what he thought would be an opportunity to meet his newnephew. It turned into what experts call a “deprogramming” from the cult.Hassan admits that, at first, he was convinced that the deprogramming team— agroup of people including ex-cult members sent to help him start over —had been“sent by Satan.” But when he agreed to listen to ex-members, “lights startedswitching on.”Gregory Sammons, MEd,LPC, the executive director of Wellspring Retreat and Resource Center in Athens, Ohio — a facility that offers clinicalcounseling, workshops, assessments, and support for survivals of spiritualabuse through high-demand churches and cults — helps people start switching thelights on for a living.Wellspring is one ofjust two rehab centers in the U.S. geared toward people who have been in cults— Meadow Haven in Lakeville,Mass., is the other, says Hassan.“The standard treatmentprogram for cult survivors will typically last up to 10 days,” Sammons tellsYahoo Health. The program includes a minimum of 20 hours of intense one-on-onetherapy with a clinician, standardized clinical assessments, and educationalworkshops, which help the survivor understand the cult phenomenon.Rehabilitation is notalways easy, and depends on the person’s experience in the cult. “Early in thetreatment, the client and clinician will walk through a timeline of life eventsbefore, during, and after the cult,” he explains. “Recognizing what washappening in our lives before the cult can often provide a frame of referencein our recovery, which includes taking back our identity.”In sessions, thetherapist recognizes what mind control is and conveys to the survivor that itwas not his or her fault for being trapped in a cult. The goal: to provide anunderstanding of how it happened, why it happened, and how having the righttools can prevent it from happening again, he says.Identity confusion,phobia disorders, decision-making, sexuality, sleep, and eating issues — not tomention trust issues and trauma-related symptoms — are just some of what peoplestruggle with in rehab, says Hassan. “When you leave a group, you’ve got all ofthis indoctrination in your head and sometimes you don’t know what’s true.” Headds that most people don’t rationally leave cults having researched it, butrather run away — which makes coming to terms with the change even moredifficult.“Most people operatewith an incorrect notion that only weak people who are looking for someone tocontrol them wind up in cults or mind-control scenarios,” says Hassan. “That’ssimply not true.” Destructive groups don’t always look destructive at first.They also come in all shapes and sizes — therapy cults, political cults,business cults, religious cults, terrorist groups, and sex trafficking, hesays. And humans are vulnerable simply by being a social species.Education, though, aboutmind control, cult techniques, and psychology can help, says Hassan. Andknowing how to spot unhealthy influences can help you avoid them.Whatis Mind Control?MindControl techniques include:Hypnosis Inducing a state of highsuggestibility by hypnosis, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.Peer Group Pressure Suppressing doubt and resistance tonew ideas by exploiting the need to belong.Love Bombing Creating a sense of family and belongingthrough hugging, kissing, touching and flattery.Rejection of Old Values Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former values and beliefs.Confusing Doctrine Encouraging blind acceptance andrejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.Metacommunication Implanting subliminal messages bystressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.Removal of Privacy Achieving loss of ability toevaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.Time Sense Deprivation Destroying ability to evaluateinformation, personal reactions, and body functions in relation to passage oftime by removing all clocks and watches.DisinhibitionEncouraging child-like obedience byorchestrating child-like behaviour.Uncompromising Rules Inducing regression anddisorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulatemealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.Verbal Abuse Desensitizing through bombardmentwith foul and abusive language.Sleep Deprivation and Fatigue Creating disorientation andvulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholdingadequate rest and sleep.Dress Codes Removing individuality by demandingconformity to the group dress code.Chanting and Singing Eliminating non-cult ideas throughprolonged group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.Confession Encouraging the destruction ofindividual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelingsof doubt.Financial Commitment Achieving increased dependence onthe group by burning bridges to the past, through the donation of assets.Finger Pointing Creating a false sense ofrighteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and othercults.Flaunting Hierarchy Promoting acceptance of cultauthority by promising advancement, power and salvation.Isolation Inducing loss of reality by physicalseparation from family, friends, society and rational references.Controlled Approval Maintaining vulnerability andconfusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.Change of Diet Creating disorientation andincreased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous systemof necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting.Games Inducing dependence on the group byintroducing games with obscure rules.No Questions Accomplishing automatic acceptanceof beliefs by discouraging questions.Guilt Reinforcing the need for salvationby exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.Fear Maintaining loyalty and obedience tothe group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest negative thought,word or deed.Replacement of Relationships Destroying pre-cult families byarranging cult marriages and families.Some of the above techniques used inisolation are not necessarily harmful in and of themselves. However, in apsychologically coercive cult environment, they are usually used en masse, inextreme ways and for prolonged periods of time. I have more respect for you than any god, and I wish you nothing but the best.
+Leela Woodham hey Leela, How are you ? Thanks for responding, Well i think i will just let go here..i think objective of a person is to be happy and i think you already have a path of becoming happy by not getting into cults, Religion or anyother hoch poch :) Wish you a happy and healthy life..i would have been more happy i could have formally introduced to you, BTW i am Hari a Software engineer by profession and living in London i am indian nationality but live in London working for a banking society, so you know what it is..anyways nice talking to you and will chat again soon...All the best Hare Krishna !! Ooops you don't like it..anyways bye..
+HariDhun Prabhupada said not to surrender to "rogues" etc but that we should surrender to a spiritual master...in other words him. And you fail to see the manipulation there? Wow. You poor creature. You think that by following some process given to us be old men and old books we can become perfect? You say I don't understand but I think I've understood a lot better than you have, and for your own good I hope you stop being so naive. It would really suck for you if you devoted your life to this bullshit and then in your old age realized how you've wasted your life to a cult built on lies and manipulation. Everything you wrote I've heard before, almost verbatim, out of the mouths of other brainwashed people like you. You've lost your ability to think for yourself, that's why you all just repeat what you've been told. Instead of getting defensive about it and insulting people who point out the wrongdoings in the hare krishna movement, why don't you do some research and at least attempt to think critically? Do yourself that favor. God
+Leela Woodham you are happy with your knowledge and understanding it is great, There is many higher principles in life which is out of reach of Modern Science and all this Anti Material phenomenon is baffling our Tiny Human brain, However such highest form of knowledge was made available and there are wide ranges of different school of thoughts who propounded to lead a controlled life and this is what is seen in the ISKCON Devotees, Inorder to achieve higher state of human existence and to See God we need to do some control, Secondly coming to Rebirth its is as truth as your own existence if you deny it will not change natures principles, This is not Fable or BS or whatever its fact as death itself, One who dies will be born again not necessarily human every soul has got some account balance which can be good or bad according to this he or she will be given another body as per natures laws and thats how we keep on and on going,Is it possible to end this cycle ?YesDevotees want to end this cycle by reaching God and As God Promises in Bhagvad Gita "one who remembers me at the moment of death, relinquishing the body ascends and achieves my nature, There is certainly no doubt about it" B.G Chp 8 Ver 5BTW i was laughing all the day when you told you to be treated as God, Well show some proof lets says lift a hill on one little finger of your left hand for one minute and i will believe in you..Can you ? Can't right this was done by Lord Krishna and again i say its not fable or BS or whatever, Its fact..hahahahah you have good humorThanksHari
+HariDhun There is no such thing as Repeated Births, and we are all going to die, and you get one chance at life, and its for you to decide how to live it, or alternatively to listen to make believe beliefs, fables, fantasy, and BS. If you are going to give me some made up story with no facts or substance, then please start referring to me as God or as good as God.
+Leela Woodham Certainly you are good and doing good to all creatures including animals, All fine i agree i don't disbelieve you.. But my question is still not answered, My question is what is your approach to deal with Repeated Birth(if you don't believe in this i can give you some logic explanation, will come to it later), Death, Disease and Oldage ? What is the strategy according to you in your life ?Let me tell you i am not imposing any religion, cult or faith lets Strictly keep it aside ok..Please Please answer to my question thats all..ThanksHari
+HariDhun Please believe me when I report that I do not require religion foranything. I treat people and animals well because I empathize with them and totreat them with dignity and respect makes me genuinely happy. I truly enjoybeing a social creature. Temptation is simply not a problem for me. I am happyand content with my joyous life. Furthermore, I am simply toointelligent and educated and informed to be able to believe in any religiousmyths or dogmas. I cannot possibly believe in talking 3-headed snakes and demon-infestedpigs and all that nonsense. Fortunately, I have a functioning conscience and a genuine innate desire to promote human society.
Hi I am not contradicting your opinion nor i am anyone who should do like that, well as i said i don't say that everyone is pure but i also not give away with the fact that Pure people with pure intentions are present and this combination will always be there with any new religion or cult or moment which comes up on Globe in any given point of time. I hope you understand..Finally i would like to ask you one question do you want to deny the ISKCON entirely or you are just against the scam or bad people there ? or if you think this is a mental bondage then how should one over come our present bondage of Birth, death disease and old age ?Please keep the discussion one i promise i will do a healthy discussion..Kind Regads Hari
+HariDhunm an objectiveposition to see it as nothing more than another mind- I hope one day soon you will see through this scam and have an opportunity from an objective position to see it as nothing more than another mind-control cult.Respectfully we are going to have to agree to disagree. You have beenconditioned by a cult. Hope you find the Truth – before it finds you.One can be spiritually based, have control of the senses as the Gita impliesand not belong to a mind controlling cult. But that’s what the Iskcon HareKrishna keep drumming into you, that everyone who is not part of your cult isevil and engages in these activities.You are simply mind controlled. There is no question of this. I will never beable to have a balance discussion with you. You ought to objectively speak tothe hundreds of x ISKCON members across the globe who have been screwed up bythe mind cult.I just wish you can get deprogrammed and face reality.Thank you anyway for contributing
+Leela Woodham Where is contentment in fullest in this world, Sex is the only biggest energy which drives crazy no one can escape this since we are made out of it so its very very difficult to focus our mind in spiritual aspects, No doubt Prabhupada's intention was pure and he gave this philosophy which is bonafide and accepted by all great acharyas but question is who accepted it ? It was accepted by both pure and impure people, Impure people tried to change there lives but could have succumbed to frequent fall down since they were still not determined (half baked) and due to this reason due to few impious people the big banner was stained and people who were outside neither tried to understand nor had any interest other then materialismThese People have a opinion that whole banner is stained and due to this outcome many wrong interpretations still continue, i don't say existing devotees are all pure and follow regulative principles as advised by Prabhupada and being followed, however lets start this with mimicking, Lets start this as an imitation (not real) just for laugh, Just for fun and you will realize something is very beautiful, Something is very vast, Something is very pure and innocent and that is Krishna Consciousness, Have you ever tried this ? if you have tried this then did you put full efforts to really understand honestly, I think you have a very shallow understanding and probably you are just frustrated by meeting some wrong person or had a bad time unfortunately, Believe me This is full contentment This is full of life and away from sinful life (Nonveg food, Killing animals, Killing human beings, Abusing someone etc.,) This is the real, Its light can't fade due to some few rotten men, Some rotten fruits spoil whole lot however this might not happen here since we are dealing with supreme, We are dealing with infinity, we are now connected to vast and imperishable full of life.. I hope my long argument will help Hari Bol, Hare Krishna !!
Just Become a Devotee of Krishna - Prabhupada 0084
Prabhupada speaks during a Bhagavad-gita Lecture in Hyderabad on November 26, 1972 This video was created from the Vaniquotes page ...
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Ten Tips For The Aspiring Devotee Of Krishna
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nice video. this is what i simply and basicaly have to do to be an aspiring
devotee of Sri Krishna. Thank you Lord for sending this video post. it
reminded me of whats to be done on the spiritual path. Hare Krishna!
They r somalians but I don't think so they r Hindus since if they were Hindus Thn they could have known what hi.duck culture is and what is supposed to be wore. .. they r Muslims for sure
+Ali Ansari may be you are true. And most likely you are..! because it is possible that Hindu accepts islamic attire as apart of social custom. They don;t have problem. They are moderate by nature. But Muslims changing and accepting other customs very unlikely. Having said that , but , supposes if they are muslims then it is really a good suprise..!
How sure are you that they are Muslim? Not necessary those who wear such
are Muslim. It was informed to me that it can be custom of wearing such but
not necessary they are Muslim
A passerby sat down and engaged in a long conversation with Dwija Mani, a Brahmacari monk of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, who was ...
hare krishna prabhu ji...dandavat pranam.. keep on spreading Krishna's
consciousness to the world..lord gopal will help you from each and every
trouble.. hare krishna
wicjh goes to prove even if you are very rich and educated ...you can be
brainwash into beleiving that women are inferior and homosexual acts are
DEMONIAC...so are the teaching of he Hare Krishna mouvement
+henri jolicoeur Hanuman Goswami prabhu, why not focus on your own life, instead of insulting very sincere devotees of Krishna. You cannot feel blissful with all this negativity. Please give up this destructive mood.