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I keep coming across that you don't really search for any evidence, in fact
I don't think you even watched this video because of some of the stuff you
said. I feel like you listen to some people and then piggy back on that
weak defense, but don't look for evidence for it making you (if you didn't)
an uninformed voter. So you believe in something that you will never live
to see and tell about, something that is highly disputed, something that
requires the new atheist definition of faith?Continued
The evidence for Jesus is not very strong, there are even histories who
dispute whether he even lived. The bible is not an historically accurate
document, no matter how much you want to believe it is. Also the if the
multi-verse theory is true the fine tuning of the universe is anthropic and
not very special. I get tired of telling you that the burden of proof is on
the believer, for which you have yet to show anything solid and keep
telling me there is no evidence to disprove him which is flawd
1, nothing means what? NOTHING! how can anything be created from Nothing
when there's nothing there, unless someone/something GREATER than 'nothing'
exists to bring about something out of the 'nothing'! 2. ..Is & Always
B.S?...who's B.S now? yu! why? 'cos yor statement is FALSE. 3...'right'
according to who/what? what does 'adequately' in reasoning mean?
Christianity is the only TRUE religion ACCORDING to the Will of The
Almighty God! 4.WRONG. More like "more I undastand, the more I worship God"
1. Lawrence Krauss doesn't resolve anything in this instance. 2. His point
is that science isn't at war with Christianity which he demonstrates to be
true both historically and currently, (only 10% of Nobel-prize winners are
atheists) 3. He doesn't need to prove the others wrong if his is right,
they are mutually exclusive. 4. No, that's basically not what he's saying.
He's saying "it looks like it was created - now lets keep this in mind with
regard to the larger context of the presentation'.
Just a few points: 1. His notion of 1+1=2... To this, please see Lawrence
Krauss work "something from nothing" 2. Famous scientist argument is and
has always been bullshit: Google: Top Ten Creationist Arguments - its #6 in
the vid 3. I have never seen Prof. Lennox adequately reason why his
religion is right and all the other ones are wrong. 4. His argument around
15mins is basically him saying 'It looks like it was created, there for it
must have been created' Lessons from Carl Sagen would help
When you say there is no evidence; you're wrong. You mean no irrefutable
evidence, because there is evidence; the only problem is that all the
evidence is affected by people's bias or it happened long ago. Either way
it is all affected by bias. You see, the truth of the matter is that there
is possibility for God; those who proclaim that there is no God, have too
many faults in the arguments and really, I find little problems in Lennox'
argument, well not enough to prove him untrue. Continued
And your comment is exactly what I am talking about. You don't call a
Philosopher to build a bridge, you call an engineer. You don't call a
businessmen to heal the sick, you call a Doctor. You don't call a doctor to
fight a legal case, you call a lawyer. And you don't call a religious nut
to do science, you call a Scientist. Sometimes I don't understand what
science says, but it is not my place to criticize a theory which 99% of
scientists agree on. I would rather try to understand and learn.
Bhuddha was a mere human being. His body still decays in his grave. He is
NOT a god but a teacher who taught good things & people who never met him
imagined/fantasised him for a god/idol started worshipping him. Allah is a
demon spirit (a fallen angel) who has deceived millions, even now. He's
already condemned. Hindu gods are ALL demon spirits (fallen angels) & are
ALL condemned. No matter what religion anyone is in, IF he/she repents of
sin and TURN & BELIEVEin JESUS CHRIST, he'll be SAVED.
So there is no space for discernment in your world view? And formulating
beliefs based on discernment, is unnatural? Why then when your dad told you
not to stick your fingers in the plug hole as a toddler, did you obey? Why
would you avoid a dodgy looking person loitering in an alley on a dark
night, with no evidence of their criminal convictions? Discernment is
perfectly logical, it has saved you a thousand times before "proof" ever
did, and whats more, it is natural to discern a creator -
Ignoramuses betray their lack of informed opinion by the way they parrot
(inchoately by way) the gossip, rumors, and hearsay which they've picked up
via the grapevine. To read three or four books -- all on the same topic --
which show reasoned disagreements between the various authors is utterly
beyond their intellectual capacity. The Christian religion's shelf-life is
nearly 2,000 years old. No philosophy of man can match this, with but one
exception: scepticism, a philosophy of ignorance..
Now to prove God, first let's start off with the basics and turn the
question on it's head. You claim that God has no undeniable evidence, yet
is there undeniable evidence against God. I say Substance A is going to
explode, but you say it has no evidence; isn't it logical to provide the
same evidence you want against it because if you don't, that makes both
ideas on the same playing field and it all comes down to a matter of
belief. Now let me ask you are a "Truth Lover" or "Religion Hater"?
That's great, now show me where God doesn't fit in the equation. Because I
do not believe in a God of the Gaps because that isn't a logical idea. You
see, I don't find that science points away from God like in the case of
Zeus or Ra rather it flows and points to God. I believe that Darwin found
an amazing process, but I do not believe that it can support all the weight
it carries; I believe in evolution, but not that it was the beginning of
the universe... Continued respond to the other one.
all im saying is god is feasible with not much in the way of evidence these
other theories you talk of yes there feasible and alot with some evidence
im not a believer im just stating what i see i know there is not much in
the way of evidence with it and saying god did it dose not get much
justness but being said naiver dose saying only multi-verse theorie there
tuns more and i think you will agree with that in mind we have to take them
into account so in short we don't know what came tobe