+Gary Martinez Sergio was never conditioned enough. He was too smooth. Arnold lost against Zane when he first arrived in America because of it. He learned from this mistake and got in shape. When Sergio would have dieted down he would be much smaller than he was.
+Gary Martinez Sergio was never conditioned enough. He was too smooth. Arnold lost against Zane when he first arrived in America because of it. He learned from this mistake and got in shape. When Sergio would have dieted down he would be much smaller than he was.
+Gary Martinez he had good proportions in the sense that his body was very aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. Bodybuilders nowadays are hideous despite the size.
Did you see Arnold or Sergio in their prime? I did in '73 and '74. I saw Arnold at the Olympia which were both held in NY. The '73 in Brooklyn and the '74 at Madison Square Garden. I also saw Sergio compete in NY at Dan Lurie's show. Arnold did not have a 32 inch waist as claimed. More like a 35 inch waist. Sergio's waist was small and was probably a 31 at the time. Art Jones measured Arnold's arm at just under 20 inches. He never had the 22" arms that he claimed. You can spout all the stats that Weider would publish in his magazines. they were all lies. A look at the BB of today would tell you all you need to know about the bullshi+ measurements you threw out there.
+Gary Martinez You are dreaming.....not in black and white, but in technicolor. He won, and went on to Win the Olympia the same year(1970). He had the biggest biceps, chest, and calve measurements to ever walk onto a bodybuilding stage at the time of this contest. 28 inch thighs was 1/2 his chest measurement which was considered perfection back then. I still believe a bodybuilder is in correct proportions when his thighs measure 1/2 of his chest measurement. A top bodybuilders waist should be at least 22 inches smaller than his chest. Arnold's waist was 24 inches smaller then his chest. He could easily run a 100 yard sprint in less than 10 seconds or do a one mile run in under 5 minutes...... which was excellent for his size. Today's bodybuilder's thighs and waists are too big. They look awkward, clumsy, have no symmetry, don't look athletic at all, and could not run a 1/2 mile to save their own lives.
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Sergio had better simetri and had more size. His waist was 28 inch and 23
inch arms. Arnold's waist was 32 with 22 and half inch arms. They both had
60 inch chest.
Again, it is my opinion and everybody has got his or her own opinion.
Honestly to me, and everybody has a view of what they think the ideal
physique should be, Sergio Oliva's physique in 1972 was the best I have
ever seen of anybody even to date. If I could pick anybody's physique that
I would like to look like it would be Sergio Oliva's physique at the 1972
Olympia.
Now that doesn't mean that Arnold was not smarter and a lot more cunning in
the way that he did it (beat Sergio) but I thought that Sergio was clearly
superior from a physical standpoint. this coming from Boyer Coe himself.
I dont agree with you.I think Arnold was the best,especially when it comes to arms ,chest and back.look at Arnolds back at 1.35 f eks. Also the biceps peak of Arnold is much higher".I dont think Sergios upper arms are very impressive to be honest.They just dont have the same peak...Sergio maybye had more massive legs,but lack definition.And finally,it is not all about the mass:Arnold just look just like a freakin statue!..
+Diego Alejandro Guzmán Torres no you r a bigger loser. Arnold said it himself in an interview. If they gave it to Sergio I wouldn't have said a thing because he was that great...So guess what hump head fuckoff
Sergio's front lat spread, arms straight up overhead front and back, front
double biceps and most muscular poses are off the charts fucking amazing
The only 'wow' moments I got from Arnold's routine were his twisting back
double biceps and front single biceps poses
Of course they were both phenomenal bodybuilders with incredible physiques,
although for me Sergio has much more of an insane 'wow' factor than Arnold
Would be a much fairer comparison if we could see them posing side by side
on stage at the same time together
+Kemit Hitler it's called the pose-down. Arnold is 6'2.....sergio 5'9.arnold beat sergio in the pose-down.because sergio by himself is the winner with better delts, more arm mass,lat spread and waist size.but sergio's quads needed more definition.
Sergio seemed to be his own worst enemy. Faced with a foe who could compete
on his level, (Which he probably thought would never happen) He took no
steps to truly improve himself.
Sergio's shoulder to waist taper was second to none. His thighs were
spectacular, and his arms were huge.
However, Sergio's calves were weak, (which is why Arnold emphasized his
calves in his routine to point attention to that) Sergio's biceps were thin
with no peak. (Another muscle part Arnold emphasized) Sergio's muscles
always lacked in that extra level of definition, and his posing was always
rushed.
Sergio always came off as a guy who was coasting on his God given gift
of genetics. If he actually worked at being the best instead of assuming he
already was, he would have worked on his weaknesses to truly be the best.
Arnold was the best because he always worked at improving himself. Look
at the Arnold of '69 compared to the Arnold of '74. In 5 years there's very
obvious improvement in every area. Sergio never improved.
+Ruben Rodriguez sergios calves were among best ever on a black guy along side paul dillett and dickerson PUNK.They were same size as arnolds and FULLER.Arnodls calves look bigger becuase they are beneat h significantly smaller quads, its illusion. as for peak , who cares about peak?the legs and back are far bigger and more important muscles than lil biceps , and sergi owas better in both those.sergio always off?he wasnt off at all here and in 69 .He was only off in 1970 at the O, 71 he was banned.That is hardly always off imo.arnold was also off big time in 1980 yet nobody says shit.youre a confused fellow , sergio did not have weaknesses.Many greats and writers say it, arnold omn other hand with his puny legs delts and triceps and wide waist, THOSE ARE WEAKNESSES.aRNOLD 74 still had small legs, delts and triceps, a largest waist of his era.NICE TRY THOCaonditioning wasnt THAT important back then.If that was the case frank zane was always more conditioned thn arnold, so was serge nubret, and they were also more aesthethic.That is not valid argument as proven by who dominated contests those years.
+Dexter Haven Dexter, nice name!!!!!!!!!, Take Sergio's cock outtcha mouth, you don't deserve to smell his asshole after he takes a shit and doesn't wipe!!!
+Dexter Haven why DIDN'T YOUR MOMMA TAKE YOUR DADDY'S COCK OUT OF HER SEWER STINK HOLE OF A VAGINA AND SWALLOW YOUR DADDY'S CUM, INSTEAD CUMMING IN HER PUSSY?????????????????
+FichDichInDemArsch No, I backed it up. What you say is the mark of someone who lost the argument. You have nothing to say on the merits, no logic, so you rely on the cheap insult. Ha!
+Jack No, I gave two examples of those who contradicted your point. You only listed Zane. So you lose 2:1 in examples so far, silly. You initially made the unsubstantiated claim about, "Pretty much every guy that trained with Arnold agrees." So the burden is still on you is to support that. Who are these "pretty much everyone" people? You could only list one so far. Weak case.
+Dexter Haven lol Frank Zane said in an interview that he hated Arnold and he was extremely cocky. Pretty much every guy that trained with Arnold agrees with Zane. They said that Arnold would always tease and joke, but the moment they teased him he got butthurt.
+b7r7u7c7e dude, whatever arnold said in pumping iron was mostly scripted. Watch the making, his shit talking was probably said for the fan service and add the darker shade of him. Not wanting to go against you, but arnold had slimmer legs because he wanted the beach body which everyone dreamt of. Peace yo
+Dexter Haven I live in California and he sucked! lol That being said there are many people on record who said Arnold was an ass. Of course his friends are going to say nice things about him. Arnold had a huge ego and would only be nice to people he didn't view as a threat.
+b7r7u7c7e No, Arnold was a lovable teaser. Ask any of his old training partners like Ric Drasin, who has a channel and talks about Arnold. You confuse fun cocky with hateful cocky. Sergio alienated people. He was never elected governor for a reason.
+Dexter Haven Yea and so was Arnold. Did you not see Pumping iron? He was an ass to everyone including his best friend Franco. The double standard is funny. Everyone makes excuses for the most over rated bodybuilder.
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