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+Aaron Kelley I thought I knew what cognitive dissonance meant but maybe I don't...maybe your right!

+Robert Wallace Dude, you reply on sooo many Mormon Stories podcasts; or just argue with people anyway. Everyone is just laughing at you! YOU are the definition of cognitive dissonance my friend.

+R. Gabriel Fortunately, many of us who have left the church are still strong Christians. I feel closer to God now than ever before.

+Daniel Miller You have some points to contradict Mormonism but you have no constructive argument to replace its doctrines. That is the problem with anti-Mormons and skeptics, in general. You can poke holes but can't come up with a plausible explanations of existential questions.

+Robert Wallace I'm referring to evidence that Mormonism isn't what it claims to be. I have loads of evidence for that. On the contrary, you have no evidence that it is what it claims to be, just warm fuzzies.

+Daniel Miller I have never said anything about warm fuzzies.....that must have been the basis of your belief. The existence of God, in general, makes logical sense. You DO NOT have evidence to refute the existence of God and you are blowing smoke with all your claims about evidence and data. Give me evidence that God does not exist.

+Robert Wallace I'm not at all enlightened about the Mormon Church because I left the church. I'm enlightened about it because I separated my beliefs from my sense of self and identity. I made the decision to go in the direction I did as a tilt of the evidence. People like you claim warm feelings as greater enlightenment and continue to believe in spite of the evidence. It's part of how brainwashing and mind control tactics work. When you are able to really evaluate the evidence and do the right thing, no matter how hard it is, then come talk to me. Until then, I wish you well with your warm fuzzies.

+Daniel Miller What evidence? It is interesting that those who question their faith somehow believe they are all of sudden "enlightened" and more intellectual than believers. I have spent my entire academic and professional career studying science and engineering and I am a believer in the LDS doctrines. DO I have doubts and questions, of course? But does that mean you are more enlightened than I am because you left the Church? Nope!

Really? Wow...just wow...! It's amazing to me that you think that someone can't be a moral and good person without religion. My children will be just fine. In fact, I recommend doing some research on the studies done on children who come from secular homes compared to those that come from religious homes. The evidence is overwhelming that secular homes raise children who are more charitable, service oriented, loving and accepting of others. It's because they are this way because they choose to be rather than because they are told to be. If you need the fear of torment and hell to be a good person, then you're not a good person.

+Radio Vikings Those mental gymnastics were exhausting! It was such a relief to let go.

+Aaron Ament - So now you're an "intellectual?" because you no longer believe the tenets of the LDS Chruch?

Ya, I got tired of doing "mental gymnastics" by trying to make sense of all the crazy church history. I got tired of ALL the contradictions!

+bowrudder That is NOT why it doesn't matter. It is that I am no more concerned with the nuances of Joseph's revelation as I am with John the Revelator. How do we know he didn't edit and change the Book of Revelation. Who more has the right to modify revelation than the one who received it? Not all prophets have the convenience of Moses where the hand of God Himself inscribed the revelation. Prophets are men and mistakes can be made with recording revelation. This is a weak point to discuss.

+bowrudder See Mr. Miller's statement: "I'm pretty much agnostic myself. I think there is a higher power of some sort, and that our consciousness continues on in some way, but if that's not the case, I'm fine with that too! ✌

+Robert Wallace"Most people who leave the Church become atheists." That's "Joseph's revenge" -- the bromide that "If the Church isn't true, then nothing is." People forget who taught them that.

+Daniel Miller I did listen to the whole thing, granted I was doing other things and may have missed some things but most people who leave the Church become atheist altogether.

+Robert Wallace"It doesn't really matter." LOL! Of course it doesn't. Because if it did, you'd have to reevaluate things. That's why David Whitmer left. Joseph was re-writing "revelations". 

+bowrudder Doesn't really matter.

+Daniel Miller Your arrogance would be amusing if it wasn't so sad what you are putting your family through....good luck with your new-found enlightenment.

+Robert Wallace I've taken on debates with far better prepared and well versed apologists than you over the years. The result is the same.

+Robert WallaceAre you LDS? The one I've never been able to understand, and maybe you can explain this to me: How am I supposed to think about the changes that were made to Joseph's revelations between 1833 and 1835? Some of them doubled in length. I've never been able to understand that. How can you revisit and edit revelation?

+Robert Wallace I don't deny the existence of God at all. You obviously didn't listen the podcast. Why would you come here simply to troll without listening to the podcast? I guess it's what's to be expected from typical Mormons. You all are so sure you have all the answers, yet you refuse to look at anything that contradicts your biased claims. Listen to the podcast, then come back and all be happy to have a public debate, even via podcast with you about the facts and evidence that Mormonism isn't what it claims to be.

+Daniel Miller You can worship however you want, but when you put yourself up on the internet discussing your beliefs, then you have created a forum for debate and discussion which means I can poke holes in your argument to deny the existence of God, etc.. once again, I have never said my belief in the Church is based on a "fuzzy feeling." Not to say that emotions and feelings does not play a part in recognition of truth - My testimony is more intellectually based and I get the same emotional feeling of truth by watching PBS's NOVA about earth creation as I do by attending the Temple. Make sense?

+Robert Wallace again, the evidence supports my claim. If you have evidence to the contrary, let's see it. Every believer in every religion ever made has a claim to the exact warm fuzzies that you stake your claims to truth on. Have you ever met a believer in a religion that didn't say they have received their witness through the spirit that their religion is the one true religion? Everyone gets the same witness that you seem belief is exclusive to your religion. That's not critical thinking at all, that's not caring whether something is actually true or not, just as long as you get to believe it is. When you're willing and able to put that aside and really weigh out the evidence for and against, I'm positive you'll see things differently, but doing that isn't easy, and it isn't for everyone. If it makes you happy, I'm happy for you. All I ask in return is that you and other Mormons back off and leave me to worship to the dictates of my own conscience as your articles profess.

+Daniel Miller In your OPINION, religion is man-made. It is not clearly man-made, you just seem to think so. If you were really a critical thinker, then you w ould realize your capacity to err and that you may in fact be complete wrong in your assessment of God.

+bowrudder yeah, once you begin to allow yourself to critically think about your religious beliefs, and begin to study the foundational claims and origins of certain books, it's quite easy to discover religion is man made. You should do some research on the origins of the Bible. It's clearly man made.

+sayatheblakat A book that Joseph had nothing to do with says "It is appointed unto men to die once." According to the good book, you only live once.

I'm pretty much agnostic myself. I think there is a higher power of some sort, and that our consciousness continues on in some way, but if that's not the case, I'm fine with that too! ✌

+Bone Doc I bet if you shoved a lump of coal up their asses, in two weeks you'd have a diamond.

+A Get a photo frame. There might be ones that play videos as well as photos.

Me, too, Zach Haywood; in fact, this was actually me before school in general, whether it be preschool, kindergarten, elementary, junior high, high school or even college, so you're not the only one who feels this way.

One of my favorite scenes in any movie of all time!

+Zidders Roofurry couldn't agree with you more!

+Rachel Hudak Yeah it's one of the reasons why what seems like a light hearted bit of escapism is really a profound commentary on teen angst. John Hughs was brilliant. //www.vqronline.org/essay/john-hughes-goes-deep-unexpected-heaviosity-ferris-bueller%E2%80%99s-day

+Zidders Roofurry Honestly that was beautiful. No kidding. Thank you. I didn't know that.

+Rachel Hudak Go Down Moses is an old negro spiritual. It's a song about being in bondage. Cameron is a slave to his anxieties as well as his fathers (and his own) expectations.

I would really like to know what the synth track was too.

Cameron is a slave to his anxieties and his fathers expectations like Moses' people are enslaved to pharaoh.

+John Collins Go Down Moses is an old negro spiritual. It's a song about being in bondage. Cameron is a slave to his anxieties as well as his fathers (and his own) expectations.

+jeff prebis It's supposed to be a spoof of the scripture in Genesis that said "When Moses was in Egypt's land, let my people go".

+Silentsenior09 never thought about that! Good catch!

I could so imagine that

Bad. ASS.

+LINDAANGELLADY I wont take anything away from him that he has done, however I have learned not to put people on pedestals no matter who they are or appear to be...