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Vibrams 5 fingers VFF + barefoot running vs proper running shoes. Durianriders experience. #190

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P943044S commented on 30 Mar 2014

what a load of tripe... I have suffered for years with constant pain in my left leg caused by running. After my last 10K race I could hardly walk, in fact I couldn't even straighten my leg. I resolved to make a pair of huarache running sandals as per Chris McDonald's book 'Born to Run'. Result: after two weeks I can run faster, further and easier than ever before and the best part is the constant pain is almost completely gone. Seriously, if you have not tried barefoot you need to. PS: I tried walking 1.5 miles each way into town wearing my still fairly new Asics running shoes, they felt unstable, heavy and tiring... worse still the pain had spread to the whole leg... anecdotal, but empiric proof to my mind that barefoot running is natural and better for you long term. PPS I have just run 2 half marathons on city streets in the past three days and did a 10K today... no problems and no pain.

gurumagoo commented on 19 Jun 2014

Minimalist running will definitely not injure you if you do it properly; but you can't just jump into it and have to slowly build up the necessary lower leg and ankle strength to do it without injuring yourself. You need about 4 or 5 weeks do this. You should start out running about 1/4 or less of your normal distance the first week (assuming you run 3 or more times a week). After that you should slowly build up. I recommend wearing your minimalist shoes as often as possible. If you lift weights, do calf raises (both standing and sitting), and do as much weight as you can stand. Don't try to be a hard ass and throw them on your feet and try to bust out 10 miles on the first day. Trust me, you will regret it.

matrat2006 commented on 31 Jan 2014

you are clearly an experienced runner. I don't think you know that much about barefoot training or the physics of force uptake through differing foot strike patterns. Your advise about building up mileage gradually is good but your unfounded claim that running in VFF will injure you is junk your just as likely to be injured running in regular running shoes. I have seen a number of recreational runners come in sub 3 hours in marathons in VFF world class no but that's' not slow for the average Joe

livingfoodscafe commented on 12 May 2011

Barefoot Ted wore the VFF's in 'Born To Run'. You didn't mention him, but people can go to his website to see his perspective, or Chris McDougall, the author himself. If you check him out on Google talks or YouTube, he ONLY runs in VFF's or barefoot these days - that's after all his research into the Tarahumara running style, after all his experience in the running world & he is now running pain free, and in a way that supports a long and healthy life vs. competitive, wear and tear and burn out.

James Bailey commented on 15 Nov 2012

"Videotapes examined by Olympic officials, showed Zola Budd in closeup, as visibly in pain.... "Barefoot Running: A Natural Step For The Endurance Athlete?"" ZB was running that way for meny years whilst still growing. thats the big key here. I do all my running in minimul shoes at pressant, (i'll be getting some salomon sence for longer rocky runs - learnt this the hard way ;) it genuinely takes meny years to build the strenght, even more so the later you make the move to more minimul footwear

James Bailey commented on 16 Nov 2012

**irony** i do some barefoot running myself-on sand and pavment and a very sometimes on clear trails - not something i like want to do often - its slow and at risky - roots/stones all of my running is in minimal footwear-ALL of my shoes are/have minimal shoes - 0 drop. however when increasing the miles and/or the severity of the surface your running on, a little protection can go ALONG way. barefoot/minimal is great - that doesn't mean nature can't sometimes be helped a little along the way :)

JumpingJazZCat commented on 13 Dec 2011

What do you mean you can't run fast in Vibrams..? I do. And I'm definitely not the only one. Sure, you're not going to speed off like a cheetah on the same day you transition to barefoot style. It's going to take quite some time to get your muscles used to it. My hamstrings cramped for months after running no more than 20 minutes. But once your muscles get strong enough for this, in fact, natural running.... Wow. What a revolution. And it's a fast revolution, dude - not a jogging revolution.

zigzigerblat commented on 11 May 2011

@durianriders Is tarmac the soft stuff at playgrounds? I would love to run on that, but I am not aware of a track like that. My preference for thin soled shoes is not so much about the shoe, but my preferred running technique. I like to bring the ball of the foot down then barely touch the heal long enough to spring off. It seems to protect my knees and back.. like a jogging sprint. I know it is not as fast but I don't get the knee pain during recoup. Maybe I could do it with those shoes too.

jimmygorun commented on 03 Jul 2015

I've heard a few people saying that they can't run as fast in their barefoot running shoes as they can in racing flats or so called normal running shoes. The reason for this is because they haven't fully transitioned to proper minimilist/barefoot running or do not have proper form. I use Freet 4+1 barefoot shoes and always run at full pace with no concerns. Running in so called normal running shoes would probably slow me down and would have a negative effect on my natural running gait!

Gregory Wilson commented on 12 May 2011

Have to disagree here harley. I've been barefoot running 3months and it's been wonderful for back + knees. You just have to take it sslloowww. Ppl expect to just "do the barefoot thing" and crankout miles quickly. But our feet are weak from wearing shoes so long, so it would be like taking off a cast (which you've had on for decades), and expecting it to be ready to go immediately. Unrealistic. Oh and concrete's actually the BEST surface. Perfectly smooth w/ no twigs or rocks. Divine.

sclaysdharma commented on 04 Oct 2011

Yes, you are right Harley, the design of the human foot is flawed. Can you believe God thought the design was perfect? Of course not. We need to cushion the heel so we can heel strike and destroy our knees and hips and arch supports since everybody knows that arches need to be supported. Just take a look at the shoes which Olympic sprinters use, you genius you. Any time you want to put some money down on who is faster, come bring your big cushy shoes and we can go for a 100M sprint.

mocowboy1982 commented on 24 Sep 2012

You may be able to run FASTER in running shoes but how long can you run faster in them shoes? It doesn't take long to be running in a pair of running shoes at a fast pace and then get tired and start having a bad running form which leads to injuries, Guaranteed. Not only that but when you start off as a beginner runner it doesn't matter if you wear Vibrams or running shoes, if you start off doing multiple miles you are not used to, you will possibly injure yourself either way.

Regenere / Thierry Casasnovas commented on 11 May 2011

i just can agree 100% at this video...as a long time long distance runner i've tried the VFF... and throw them away after one training , there are not convenient to wear , dangerous for the knees , and definitively inable to handle fast and long training! i use my regular brooks , same as yours , minmal "regular " racing shoes are perfect , light , kind of flat sole , just awesome! don't be amazed by look of VFF , look has nothing to see with performance and health...

zigzigerblat commented on 11 May 2011

I wouldn't run on concrete period, with any shoes. A doctor that I know mentioned a study on Kenyan runners who ran for many years and had little or no wear on their back and knees. I prefer wushu shoes and I run ball to heel, but I don't run long distance and I don't run for speed. I do it solely for health. I want to note that I completely defer to Harley on the sport because he is ultra-advanced and I am ultra-novice.

100 Squats a Day commented on 12 May 2011

harley, they did a study and found that landing on soft surfaces like the surfaces gymnasts land on has a harsher impact on the bones and joints than landing on a harder surface like concrete does. they found that the impact of landing on ur barefeet and impact of landing on a rubber shoe is much different in that the impact of landing on barefoot is lesser than the impact of landing on your shoe!

Aubrey Johnson commented on 04 Aug 2011

I disagree. Ive been running in Vibrams and getting a lot faster times in high school cross country and track with no major injuries since I switched. I Love the video though. There is nothing I cant stand more than people trying to start running serious mileage in these without working up to it, then getting injured and blaming it on the shoes or running in general.

Dan Wells commented on 14 Apr 2012

I started off running in vibrams and have never ran in anything else and my knees got better than before I ran. I was born with bad knees and can run great as long as I run in vibrams or barefoot. People only get hurt if they run using the same stride they would use in shoes, in their vibrams. There are lots of people with bad knees that got better running in vibrams.

jeremy price commented on 16 May 2012

I run in both fives and regular running shoes, and I found that I actually go quicker in the fives. I would agree that you cant jump straight into them, because you are likely to get injured, but with conditioning you can run on tarmac, trails... Whatever you want really. I think in your case, its probably just related to running form - they dont suit everyone.

Free man commented on 17 May 2013

kenyans arnt some overweight noobs that just started running when you run a few years, you know exacly whats best for you but most people dont have good techinque, bad form and run on asphalt wich MOST of the time results in injuries. To much shoe can be bad just aswell not enough. I would start with a good zero drop shoe and then slowly transfer to a minimal

Amir Amran commented on 15 Jul 2011

harley, i think of buying the green silence. do you think they will be good for casual 1 hour slow running/walking everyday on dirt and concrete? i'm afraid they won't last long because they are pricy... and what other high quality green/barefoot shoes out there would you recommend aside of these 2 (i tried the vibram but my foot is too big for them)? thanks

WithChildLikeFaith commented on 01 Oct 2011

I can easily run a sub 20 minute 5K in Vibrams or barefoot. Going bare allows you to run with the most efficient stride so you are in a better position to go faster than if you were shod. Abebe DID have shoes that day but was frustrated with the fit and decided to go bare. A few years later after Abebe did go shod, he became plagued with injuries.

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