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Ping have announced that they will be bringing out the i30 irons but no driver as the LS Tec has the low spin of the i Series but the forgiveness of the G Series. The perfect combination?

I too play the i25 but I'm off work with a bad back so let me know how you get on if you try it

+massivesurfboard Why this would disappoint me if i was in your shoes is that it's not really "the next model", it's part of the same range and really should've been available to you to compare with G30 at the time of purchase one would think.  Perhaps it was unavoidable as i say, but i hope they stick with the 3 club choice (it makes sense) and bring them out together when we get G35!

"A Ping lover with a preference for lower spin might've bought the G30 a few months ago only to now find there's an even more preferable version.  That's either a costly upgrade or a feeling of dissatisfaction.  Disappointing. "  Er, that's just how I'm feeling having bought my G30 just before Christmas - had I known, I would have definitely hung on to at least try the LS Tec.  That said, you can wait on forever for the next model or prices to come down and never end up buying anything. 

thanks for the response. ive been considering getting fit for a new driver recently, i live in toronto so fitting options are limited. taylormade and titleist are two close to home options, might get fitted for both manufacturers and choose from their. 

I am 100% certain you would hit this driver further than your stage 1 tour. Go get fit for one. I had the stage 2 tour and I hit the standard g30 30 yards further on average, and as a high swing speed player, I would hit this low spin model even further. Anything over 100 mph is definitely above average, and would more than likely benefit from the lower spin model. 

+Danny Worsdale I am quite strong and very fast, doubt its great technique. No way of filming it and i would be quite embarrassed to do so.  Well I was taught to swing at school in 1964 when i was about 12-13 so I must have laid down all teh right neural pathways. didnt go on to play the game. It was just something i did in teh school interest period once a week. Golf club was a tuesday morning at the local course with 15mins with the pro in teh nets and lots of putting. I didnt have any clubs of my own so didnt take it further. I only started  now because 4 years ago a friend said lets play golf and i got a second hand set. She married and moved so i didnt get a game. Then I met a friend who was a keen golfer and she invited me to play at Oakridge june 2013. We played 9 holes with a guy she knew. Then she got ill. In the Autumn I decided to go to the local range and try and went once a week. Thought may as well join the club and joined at the club Christmas party and got my first real game in January. Rest is history. I am as surprised as everybody that I hit the ball so far. I didnt at first. I had old Wilson ladies woods but the driver was no further than the 3 wood at about 170 yards. So in the sales i bought men's standard Nike covert woods half price. Well as you can imagine, when i got them i couldnt hit the driver at all. Two range sessions a week and it took me 3 weeks to get the ball to launch at all and then only twice. Just kept going at it. Suddenly  off it went and I was hitting teh range balls 180 yards. A month later I fiddled with loft. I moved it from 12.5 to 10.5 and that was quite the longest but the ball went everywhere except straight. i dropped it back to 11.5 and that was perfect. it was shorter but dead straight. Couple of months later i was rolling the range balls past the 200 yard mark. On teh course that panned out to 240yards. I know that for a fact because I hit a long straight drive on the 18th and the Captain measured it out of interest on her friends GPS watch. I had just a short chip for a birdie. I doubt my swing is pretty, brute force and ignorance. But I do hit good shots mostly. I will either hit the shot well or not at all, there isnt any in between. Mostly the range is spot on but not direction, that is poor. If I sort that this spring I will be fine in future ;-)

Can you upload a vid of your swing if you don't mind? For a women in their mid 60s that's only recently picked the game up and tops 1 out if 3 that's very impressive. However to hit it 240 you must have great technique in terms of power?? On the ladies tour many if then only average 240!! I agree with Kararam here, your only looking at yourself and your type of golf this driver isn't for you I assume. So your basically saying mark hit all the ones with g30 LS tech in the sweet spot?! No is be very shocked if he did, he'd probably pick up more then that if both hit in the sweet spot

I only use the driver on 3 holes so it doesnt get much practice. So I will only top one, hit one long  but wayward so will need a longer approach and hit one very long and straight. I can get an extra 15 yards but changing loft but will lose accuracy. I dont need that 15 yards so why bother. At 240 yards I hit the ball further than many of teh men. I can reach  all greens in regulation without a driver so why should i bother? 6 yards means absolutely nothing to me ;-)

+Vici MartynovTo sum up, you top 1/3 shots, you miss 1/3 fairways = you´re not a very good golfer = you dont care about 6 yards from the club as you would probably gain 50 yards by learning to hit the ball as you should.However better players who have higher CONSISTENCY can start looking at these small differences as they matter a whole lot more to them than it does to someone like you.

Well Jack you have put your finger on exactly what I am asking. If a golfer hits this driver sweet every time, there is no doubt at all the club will deliver 6 extra yards. But no golfer and I mean no golfer will hit it like that. The question I was asking is this, is it feasible to hit  it that well and average more distance or will natural variability disadvantage it over the standard club. You wont hit the standard club any better but what is the mean of its performance compared to teh low spin. That will only come out in useage. Its why Tiger wont put a club in his bag till he has tested it comprehensively in game practice. He wouldnt change to Vapor last year because he said he couldnt put in that practice with his back. He accepts that Vapor appears to be better from launch monitor testing but he wants that confirmed on teh course. That is why I would love Mark to test what the spin is across teh face for both models. What difference does strike accuracy make. These are the interesting questions, not does it hit longer off teh mat under ideal conditions. The interesting thing is how does performance change with strike. What is it like on an off day ;-)

Anyway I'll leave it there:) think mark will be getting annoyed with the constant replies so really want to hear what he has to say about it:)

No human will replicate strike or exact swing everytime and the only way to test how you say every shot the same and strike in exact same position everytime what would be the point in hitting more shots than one for each Club and mark is.human he will not replicate the exact swing all the time the best I way to test is robot testing and that is what manufacturers do to prove claims so that they can release clubs with the claim they have

You play how you want and say what you believe or think. So will I but I think many will agree that you're talking rubbish. Absolute crazy. You don't understand how this has the ability to benefit the better golfer. You can only test the club so much. Mark will feel he can hit the low spin model further. He is a straight hitter as it is. I an beind mind blown by what you're saying

You are way over complicating this. Yes he did say that but they know what they're doing it all marketing to give the club a name. You surely can't tell me they didn't know high launch low spin is optimum distance?! So in this video do you not reckon mark miss hit both clubs?

Oi sticky vici get a clue before you comment again and so you read what you.put before you put it all you do is contradict yourself over and over again

The genesis of the SLDR is exactly as I said, that is what the fitting expert from Taylormade said on one of these youtube videos. But that is how clubs are developed, you follow and idea and adjust by trail and error. These things are too complex to calculate. But if you miss hit it do you get relative low spin, is it like for like with the standard, maybe but that deoesnt follow. If you tweak a thing for performance you tend to change the response across the device. Its like a racehorse, they tend to be more jittery than ponies. Improved tour models tend to be longer but less stable. I wouldnt bet on it remaining lower spinning if you mishit it. But this is the stuff we would like to know. We want to see the thing pushed to the edge of performance under true conditions. Do we really get better performance. Mark didnt even know he had trouble with his 4 iron till he studied game golf. You only know by real trials not hitting off launch monitors.

Game golf isn't about seeing how far a club goes! You simply cannot conk are then because there are so many different variables from one day to the next. For example: wind direction and the wind speed, how firm the ground is, temperature, where it bounces (May get a bigger bounce), how you are hitting it on that day, how you are feeling etc. As I said it would still not spin as high on a miss hit. At the end of the day, these 2 drivers, one that suits mark more has gone 6 yards further with less spin. It's as simple as that really. So if someone said to mark do you want 6 yards of more distance on average I think he's say yes therefore ping have brought out something for everyone. Would love to hear what mark thinks about this. I'm not arguing with you and don't think your stupid as I love talking to fellow golfers that enjoy the sport however I think what you're saying is simply ludicrous.

Well the point is I dont believe this 6 yards based on a few launch monitor shots. When Mark uses this for 10 games and Game Golf shows me that he consistently gets that extra 6 yards then I will believe it. I want to know how reliable it is in real use. I suspect it is spurious. Ping claim that it will give 400revs more, Mark tells us that a few millimeters across teh face will change by 1000revs. Well how often will you hit that sweet spot. If teh face is less stable and you mostly hit half way up the face that is 500 - 400 you lose 100 revs whereas if you reliably hit the sweet spot on teh standard then you get  more distance accuracy. You see it just isnt black and white, these things never are. Science is statistics and teh club that gives best distance and accuracy over many games is teh better club for you. Like Rory wouldnt use the tour driver till version 2.0, in practice he found it less stable. You cant just  take these things for granted. Yes you can hit this driver 6 yards further but, how often will you do that compared to teh standard driver. The real answer will come from GameGolf. We dont really know enough about  performance in practice to be sure about these things.

Also if you miss strike it with the low spin model for mark or whoever suits this driver that the spin would be lower aswell so yes it's an advantage on miss hits aswell!!

And about the SLDR driver low launch and low spin will get you poor numbers. You have to get the right launch to get good spin to give optimum distance! I'm sure it wasn't accidental vici, I think they know that the cg being so far forward and low with a normal loft will create low flight low spin but they know that high launch with low spin will give you good numbers

Well just ask some people I play with I hit the ball so straight. Not blowing my own trumpet but I don't miss a fairway often and that's a strength of mine so for me YES 10 yards carry would make a huge difference!! I agree that sonetimes this extra 10 yards would certainly punish more than 10 yards less HOWEVER it would benefit a lot more than punish!! Think about it, hitting a wedge into the green is easier than a 9 iron distance. Obviously your different on this as you'd prefer to hit a 5 iron into the green than a 70 yard shot. Mark I would love to here your response to this:) but vici I don't believe this extra 6 yards would benefit you and much as a very good golfer. I thought you said driving was a strong point of yours?? 1 out of 3 topped and 1 out of 3 isn't centre if fairway?!?! Erm ok:( please understand that this IS EXCITING for some people. Say if mark used the regular g30 and there was a ditch that he could clear however it was risky if he miss struck the shot that he would be in the ditch therefore he'd lay up short if it. He then uses this LS g30 and he can carry it comfortably and carry it even on a slightly miss struck shot. How does that make no difference?!?seriousky??:/ maybe his strike was all over the place but it's just funny how the driver that should suit him more always performs better?!

I think where I am coming from is this, Mark has only just scratched the surface of performance. Everybody is looking at parameters such as MOI and spin spin spin at the extreme limit of what their prejudice is telling them. This is what you get  if you take this to the limit. But, physics is not like that, its a trade off of many parameters. As you increase one parameter you decrease others. I would like to know how total performance change right across the range of adjustable parameters. I have a feeling there are some big surprises lurking there. Like SLDR, the design concept was low spin but it was a total failure, poor distance but yes low spin hmmmmm. Then they started fiddling with it and accidently discovered that if you upped the loft then you increased performance amazingly, suddenly it was very long indeed. This was so against acepted widom of low loft that they made a sales campaign out of it. Well I have a feeling that there is more to discover big time, they have just scratched the surface. If you push things to the limit they are rarely stable, you often find that there is more mileage in knocking it back a bit and increasing something else that compliments it. The main thing is Mark seems about the only person questioning these so called home truths. I await his research  with bated breath ;-)

errr you think 6 yards of carry from an existing good great quality driver on a launch monitor in a shed is exciting. We are discussing a man who was frequently a dozen yards off the fairway and even lost a ball in his last blog using his favoured SLDR. This is noise in real useage. The figures were all over the place and he was rarely getting the promised spin because even Mark isnt capable of hitting it that accurately and certainly not off a real tee box with a breeze blowing. Even a slight change in strike and the advantage was gone. Look at the pictures of his strike pattern from launch monitor under perfect conditions, its a scatter gun. Plus, we are not being told what we are paying for this increase. You dont get anything in this world for free. What is happening to the other important parameters of performance. what is happening to stability, accuracy and feel etc etc. There is no point having 10 yards of increased carry if you always land 20 yards off the fairway. We havent quantified those questions have we. That will come from GameGolf sometime down the line. I will reserve judgement on my excitement thanks ;-)

well actually the wear damage on my clubs is in the middle of the face but alas, its a centimeter below the toe end of the NextCor face symbol. I dont have that much trouble with my driver but it certainly isnt low spin. If i do miss a drive its mostly topped but then that is one in three, another one in three is just not up the centre of the fairway. Going to have to do much better this year sigh - rolls up sleeves ;-)

Yes this is an exciting release. However for the better player or someone with more club head speed. How isn't it an exciting release if he is picking up 6 yards carry?! Nobody cares if it's a slight adjustment or some revolutionary technology aslong as it is performing!! Mark had said that THIS CLUB WILL NOT BENEFIT EVERYONE because it's not made for every golfer. Ok, so if ping brought this g30 out with the LS tech as the original and it didn't perform because it was too low and weren't getting great numbers out of then they brought out the actual original one and it performed well, that wouldn't be exciting even though you aren't in the better player category. You have to understand that good golfers, your pros or even the average golfer won't anything they can to help them, any little aspect and especially for the tour pro as competition is so high. If spin doesn't bother you than that's ok but it bothers a lot of people because they want optimum distance. It's just like anything else in the game of golf. It's such a hard sport as it is so why do you want to make it harder for yourself?? I'm not having a go just don't quite understand where you coming from of your thinking about EVERY type of golfer not just yourself.

like mark said they brought this driver out for the player that wants to spin it lower and this will benefit a lot of the better plays who will hit the ball better and more consistently unlike the sticky vici who cant find her driver let alone the middle of the face 

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