How to Be Vegan : Nutritional Myths About Vegan Lifestyles
Learn about myths associated with a vegan lifestyle and diet including that vegans don't get enough nutrients with expert tips on being vegan or strict vegetarian ...
I think you have been quite rude about her to be honest, which is a shame.
I was merely making a joke to someone else about how everyone goes about
how unhealthy vegans are, and yet they still seem to live a really long
time. I am a great believer in science, and have done copius amounts of
research on the subject, and I imagine most vegans do too, and probably
know a lot more about it than you. Like I said, you shouldn't be so
judgemental, and it is sad that your whole attitude is so agressive
A meat diet is a cruel and hypocritical one. Would you eat your pets? Why
not? They're animals too, in fact humans are made of meat too. Why is it so
difficult to say I can live on a diet that doesn't involve death so I will?
The point is, people who turn vegetarian for moral reasons show a caring
for those around them on this planet regardless of species or whether they
know them. Thus they are likely to treat everyone else kindly, making the
world a nicer place. It's called empathy and sense.
yes, when she was born the word vegan didn't even exist, she and her father
just saw it as a natural diet. There are many people who chose to eat no
animal products, including famous philosophers, and that was a long time
before the word 'vegetarian' came about. I actually do know her very well,
and I think it's sad that you're so against the idea of someone being
healthy by leading a different lifestyle to you. I'm happy being vegan, and
I didn't ask your opinion, so stop being so judgemental
B12 deficiency leads to permanent brain damage, it is barely noticeable at
first but rapidly deteriorates by the time it's spotted it's too late an
they can be left crippled for life or more often... death. There are quite
a lot of cases, usually in countries stricken by famine but also in the
west and the main sufferers are militant vegetarians who continually ignore
health advice. B12 is more of a proof that veganism is an unnatural diet as
humans can ONLY get it from eating animal products.
You do realise that 10,000 years is almost as long as human being have even
been on this planet? It is certainly longer than the earliest human
civilisations. It doesn't matter if they didn't need to drink cows milk
before that time as before milk humans have always eaten the flesh of
animals which is an even better source of B12. They key to longevity is not
a lack of animal protein but a lack of calories. Keeping rats on the brink
of starvation increases longevity more than any other factor.
I'm sorry but all the vegans I have ever heard of are *pretty militant*
with ridiculously dogmatic rules, they won't even eat honey! They also
can't resist having a go at me with some snide comment any time I dare to
eat meat. B12 is merely PROOF that Veganism is an UNnatural diet as it is
both vital to survival and the ONLY NATURAL source is consuming other
animals (or their milk/eggs). I support Veganism as a personal choice but
it is dishonest to call it natural nor fundamentally healthier.
We are advanced because we can rear animals efficiently on such large scale
yet still kill them humanely with as little stress and fear as possible. We
are the masters of this planet, 99% of people want to eat meat. Are you
really so naive to think you can only eat meat if you hunt it? We have this
little thing called an ECONOMY! That means each person specialises in doing
one thing really well for money and use that money to buy meat that
professionals have reared, slaughtered and butchered.
Wow, a person you don't even know 1st hand has apparently been a vegan for
27 years longer than the word vegan even existed? Never ate ANY animal
products in almost 100 years? Well there is *NOOO* chance that 2nd hand
info is exaggerated nonsense! I know smokers who've lived to their 90s,
does that make smoking healthy? One explanation is her diet is so bland she
eats very little as scientifically the biggest increase in longevity is
achieved by restricting calorie intake to lower metabolism.
Tell me, what is so healthy about nerve damage? It's scientifically
impossible for anyone to live more than a decade without B12 which can ONLY
be obtained from animal sources (including milk, eggs, etc) or artificial
supplements which weren't readily available till she'd have been in her
50's. Gandhi tried veganism & almost died from it, he eventually faced up
to reality and would occasionally drink cow's milk. Nothing would be gained
from scrutinising the veracity of your aged friend's diet
I've actually seen animals slaughtered, it is harrowing yet fascinating at
the same time. Animals weren't "put on this earth" by or for anything, they
simply are here and humans have always exploited them, though I believe it
is something uniquely human to care for livestock and instinctively prefer
humane treatment even though one eventually kills it for food. "Why should
things have to die for you?" For the same reason the bear eats fish, it
wants it and it can. This is a childish question.
Who cares what the appendix was for millions of years ago, the point is
humans RIGHT NOW cannot digest cellulose AT ALL. We used to used to walk on
our knuckles, should we now walk on all fours just to be "more natural"?
The only function of the appendix seems to be a kind of "safe haven" from
symbiotic bacteria in case we ever get diarrhoea, our gut is repopulated
from there. "Which one do you think is natural?" Why to eat cooked meat/veg
of course because that's what humans are EVOLVED for.
Have you seen footage of the meat industry or know anything about
slaughterhouses? Animals weren't put on earth to be pets or food, I expect
you'd argue with a species higher than us if they wanted to keep you as a
'fetch' pet or eat you. If you like your pet, yet you'd eat it just because
of a bad situation, it shows how fickle your morals are, and that you'd
probably eat a person, or do anything bad just for your own survival. Why
are you so important? Why should things have to die for you?
"Why is it so difficult to say I can live on a diet that doesn't involve
death so I will?" Because it is a LIE! Have you any idea how many pest
animals are deliberately killed by farmers each year, for just a single
acre of crops? Every week farmer fill sack loads with dead rabbits, birds,
mice, rats and other adorable animals. You're not even reducing death, as
one cow gives 4 years worth of beef, though pest animals are smaller in
size there are more deaths per lbs of veg than lbs of meat.
Speciesist? That isn't even a word. How about you are in favour of this
certain species called humans, ever heard of them? They eat meat, yet you
are calling them murderers and abominations of nature. Would the same apply
to a bear? Badger? What about other omnivores? Gonna restrict their diet.
All these sources simply said it was possible, not endorsing it. More
recently UK's Department of Health (highest authority on this) said
veganism is no healthier than a balanced meat-inclusive diet.
It's a fact you NEED B12 (+ other vitamins) that we can only naturally get
from animal products. That's fine for vegetarians who eat eggs/milk but
vegan means you're dependant on artificially fortified food/pills. I'm
merely defending my right to eat meat as this video and many others call
meat consumption unnatural. IMHO, it isn't natural to need artificial
supplements to survive. Your cousin also didn't choose disease. I have a
problem with CHOOSING a diet that needs pills like diabetes.
Treblaine, most vegans aren't stupid enough to be so militant as to let
themselves die of vitamin deficiencies. Many vegetarians and vegans choose
to eat as little animal products as good reason allows. This works, because
many essential vitamins (such as your precious B12, as well as iron) have a
special balancing act going on in your body naturally. (You absorb lots
when you're low, you don't absorb any when your diet is plentiful.) Bodies
regulate themselves when you have a varied diet.
Speciesist, one who is guilty of Speciesism, look it up. It's a genuine
word! But I'm not surprised you've never heard of it.. Vegetarianism has
been proven healthier over and over. Humans aren't animals, otherwise you
would eat humans too, so why argue that you should do as they do? That's
regardless that it's debatable humans are even omnivores rather than
vegetarian naturally as we can digest meat, but not optimally, it creates
disease. Humans also have advanced thought for a reason...
Well the highest health authority of my country (your country too) have NOT
found vegan/vegetarianisms to be healthier, and you can't just quote a load
of half baked speculations when definitive conclusions have shown no
difference. We don't eat humans because that is both cannibalism and
murder. Idiot. It is a scientific fact that humans are omnivores. Trying to
say there is debate about meat consumption is like creationists saying
there is debate about theory of evolution. THERE ISN'T!
The biggest trick of Vegans is to compare a meticulously controlled and
balanced Vegan diet (that tries as hard as possible to balance every
nutrient) with a meat diet with absolutely no regard to healthy eating such
as living on ONLY fast food. I've already pointed out that what makes fast
food diets unhealthy is not the meat part but the veg: deep fried chips,
sugary drink, etc 20 years for nerve damage? Not only is that bullshit but
don't you want to live for longer than 20 years!?!!
I know, I always find it funny when other people comment on how lacking in
nutrients a vegan diet is. An old friend of my mother's is 92, and has
never eaten any animal products in her entire life, nor does she take
supplements. She has no friends her own age anymore... so why is she not
dead? She doesn't even need a walking stick, unlike many omnivores even in
their sixties. Some people just think they know it all, so I wouldn't even
bother arguing with them. Just laugh to yourself...
But if we're not animals and so advanced as you seem to agree, we should
have the thought and moral judgement not to act like animals, and learn
from past mistakes, especially in these days where it's more and more easy
to go vegetarian. You're the one with childish reasoning saying if wild
animals do it because they want to and can, then that makes it ok for you
to do the same, yet hypocritically see yourself above them. And when was
the last time you hunted for yourself like a bear?
@LierreKeithPwned Do you eat any animal products at all such as eggs,
cheese, milk, etc? Also, do you eat anything which has been fortified?
Especially considering fortification of food has only been practical for 50
years or so. Iron fortified cereals are VERY common, virtually unavoidable
now. I've said over and over again about the necessity of humans eating
"animal products" but said just "animal" by mistake, probably tried of
having to explain the same thing over and over again.
The point is humans and all its recent primate ancestors have been entirely
dependant on consuming animals and animal by-products to survive. B12 is a
prime example. Another is how we cannot digest cellulose but can digest
completely all animal protein. Saying it is possible for humans to live
vegan IF you follow and incredibly rigorous diet and IF you take artificial
supplements then those are two very big "ifs". The diet is down right
dangerous as it is too hard follow it safely.
But you're vegan? Why abstain from milk, eggs and even honey (as I most
vegans do). No more animals are directly killed for those than for the pest
control of a soya plantation. I also think you always knew animals were
killed for meat, you just discovered one day what it looked like, it was
what it LOOKED like that turned you away. Not simply the fact that the
animals died, a toddler can figure that out, you just can't stand the icky
details. The moral point it irrelevant to you.
Organic kills just as many animals, I mean how else do you stop pest
animals eating crops? Ask the vermin nicely? They may not use chemicals but
they use traps, guns, and trained animals as well as extensive
extermination programmes. For example a lovely organic farmer will track
down a rabbit burrow and systematically kill every single rabbit he can
find, no chemicals though. Then he will wipe the blood off his hands and
sell his grain to vegan stores blissful at your ignorance.
How many apple trees do you just see in your area? Even if you did you
would have to find it at just the right time of year. Plus you WILL die
living on fruit alone, just wiki: Fruitarianism. But I see rabbits,
squirrels, birds and other animals all the time... and I'm a pretty good
shot with my air rifle :D However I have no idea how to start growing
crops. My granddad's generation when food was irregular, he'd go out with
his shotgun to hunt, not a basket to pick apples.
You are incorrect. "recent primate ancestors have been entirely dependant
on consuming animals and animal by-products to survive." No, meat was only
ever a rare, often scavenged addition to a primarily plant based diet. My
example of past plant digestion over meat digestion shows what we were
naturally built to eat. That's why it's genuinely hysterical that you have
to cook your steak to eat it safely or make it appetizing even, unlike any
other natural meat eating animal.
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