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+Chi Zeus Freudian? Nah, just bad with spelling and grammar.We are very much in sync when it comes to what the end goal is. I would take it further and say the big problem is our disrespect for most things on this planet. We started changing our nature before we even understood it and I still don't think we understand it.Sadly things take time and we will see what comes first, our real enlightenment or the end of us... We will see.

I think you meant "excuses" - not "accuses".Freudian slip?Or perhaps we can also accuse others when we are doing something that we know is far from ideal.That's common enough also ;-)Unlike 'us', and especially those born into westernization/consumerism, most other animals are content with comparatively very little.But we can be miserable on a beautiful day just because we didn't get an Xbox for Xmas.We have created an enormous amount of misery and stress for ourselves, and this is inextricably linked to our, generally-speaking, phenomenal disrespect for other species and their habitats.The problem arises through extreme identification with persona, and an indoctrinated feeling of seperateness from, and subjugation of, the surrounding environment.We call other animals 'wild', but many of us fail to see that our own mind is, often, a raging, out-of-control inferno.

+Chi Zeus I agree with most of what you are saying. You know there was a time when people raised animals in a more natural setting, in keeping with THEIR nature and habits. They were actually treated well and because they eat off the land they couldn't breed in unhealthy and natural numbers. I would like to see us go back to that first, before we start trying to turn the world Vegan.We all make - excuses - for the things we want to do, I'm sure you do as well. It's about moving the ball forward a step at a time.

+Swanky Butters There is degrees of sentience and pain.Get someone to kick you in the back of your leg calve muscle, and then if you think that all suffering is the same, get them to kick you in your genitals.There is little doubt in my mind that if Krishnamurti watched the animal cruelty documentaries that we have available today, that he would be vegan, like many others.Anyone that thinks that (not purposely) stepping on an ant, is as bad as owning and farming beings with comparatively massive neural structures, and then subjecting them to terror in their final moments, is seriously deluding themselves.Folks know dam well that a tree that loses a leaf, or a piece of fruit, is suffering no where near as much as some of these exploited animals.Same argument applies if a carrot is dug up.Shall we rank these hypothetical situations in order of suffering experienced?I don't think that's it necessary - as it's pretty easy to figure out, unless one is still at the intellectual level of not being able to understand content on sesame st.It's just another pathetic, so-called, excuse that used to try to justify one's inconsiderate habits and actions.Check out this page://insects.about.com/od/insects101/f/Do-Insects-Feel-Pain.htm"The insect nervous system differs greatly from that of higher order animals. Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain. Within the brain, the thalamus directs these pain signals to different areas for interpretation........Even a locust being devoured by a praying mantid will behave normally, feeding right up until the moment of death.Of course that doesn't mean that there is absolutely no suffering - but under everyday, non-inhumane, situations, it is obviously nowhere near as intense, as compared to that of a pig, cow, turkey, goose, chicken, sheep, rat...etc

+Joseph Vargas We mark sentient by us... Just saying.

No central nervous system. they aren't sentient

+Ersin doğan His comments are very interesting, I disagree with some of them but it's good to know people care and that's a good thing.

+The Radical Revolution thanks for existing, love your comments.

+Quantum Chang We assume we know what life or sentient beings are based on us. Same reason we use 10 digits cause we have 10 fingers. We see life as us and animals close to use but lessor or dumber but once again, through a human point of view. You ever feel pain but was not hurt by anything other than emotional? Even that is a human bias. See what I mean? I'm not saying plants feel anything but we don't really have a good enough definition for life, emotions, pain, etc.You say you know what cutting and taking the life of a living plant is and what it means but you really don't, none of us do. We might have some ideas about it but until we can define it better for ourselves and know our universe better, we can't say for sure.

+Swanky Butters Cutting a plant is like cutting a laboratory cloned liver or any other organs. Sure a liver by itself is a bunch of functioning cells just as a plant is. You can call it "alive" if you wish, but don't let the limitation of the human language to confuse your ability to see a big difference between killing an animal and cutting a plant or a cloned arm, liver or ear. //earthlings.com/?page_id=32 There is no one at home to feel the pain and the suffering when the cutting is being done to the latter. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANTS AND ANIMALS. Ever heard of the phrase "The lights are on but no one's home" ? It is like pulling the life support system off from a brain-dead person. There is no sentient life when there is an absence of a (living) brain. When you cut a brainless person (on life support for instance) into pieces, there is NO ONE to own and feel that pain and suffering, hence that body is is not sentient. Similarly, cutting a plant or a cloned organ into pieces is the same. There is no sentient element, hence no pain, no suffering. "Sentient beings" in Buddhism means anything that is capable of suffering pain and only animals have that in common, not plants.

+Pushpjeet S Koushik Hear, Hear. Nice chatting with you, damn fine talk. :-)

+Pushpjeet S Koushik Bummer isn't it. I mean, even as we hold our violence in check, the things we have to do to live every day. Maybe this is too deep but I think humans do and will continue to strive for better.... everything. Here's hoping for a cruelty free world someday. I'm going to eat meat till something changes in me but I will do my best to eat less of it and see how I can make veggies taste better.

+brucenash No one said plants had feelings. I just said, what if they do? I know you like to rely on what we know now but they use to say animals didn't feel pain like us. Maybe plants are the same and we will learn they do feel and do wish to keep living and not be eaten by you... Clearly you don't want to spare yourself or you would have keep your fingers shut.

+Pushpjeet S Koushik I see were you're coming from. I guess taken as a whole, survival on this planet is a pretty mean business. When almost all things need to eat some other living thing, it's kind of a nasty system. We come around and start thinking about how to make things better for all concerned and I think we have made roads to that. For now, can't go veg but I eat less meat cause the wife's a veg. If they could only make vegetables taste better.

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as a vegan I am so sick of having discussions with stupid people...I will spare myself from this one..

plants feel pain and have feelings? for fuck sake, how much stupidity one read on the internet...

+brucenash I do, just not enough to stop eating meat. Maybe someday it will think different but I doubt it. I know plants are not the same, clearly but they are living things until they die or we eat them. I wanted to add, I've always been separated from how I get meat, don't hunt and kill and of course it makes it easier. There are a lot of things like this in the modern world. What things would you not do, if you had to do them yourself?

+Swanky Butters human beings are suposed to be better than animals. we can be qualitatively different, evolve. the more u work on yourself (to call it that way) the more you do the connection with nature.

+Swanky Butters there are paths that lead to veganism: one is out of conceptions (thoughts) and the other one is for sensitivity. mine is the last one. I just find it painful for myself to kill animals (or pay someone to kill them, as you do when you buy meat) so if you dont have the sensitivity or empathy towards animals, you won´t feel nothing...

+brucenash We see things... all of us.... in a way that suits us... That is the truth. It's an everything, eats everything world.

+Swanky Butters you got schooled bitch! ahahha nah kidding xDI didnt read the whole thing, its too much...and because I understand what you saying about plants, its a very common "argument" from carnivores. anyway I am amazed for the patient of the other guy...

+The Radical Revolution I was just thinking of our chat while feeding my dog. Yes, I have a dog, the wife wanted one and she was a rescue, so it's not too bad considering my thoughts on dogs and slavery.However, I was feeding her chicken and she loves chicken. I'm pretty sure this dog would never be a vegetarian and I was wondering how you square something like that? Just wondering.By the by, it's been interesting chatting with you and none of it has offended me in the least...

+The Radical Revolution Thanks for all the info but as with all things, the devil is in the details.I'm no expert but as with most things these days, I'm not convinced and doubt I will be swayed that what you say is correct. It might be what we know now but live itself is one of the more complex mysteries of the universe, one I'm sure neither of us are going to solve here or in out lifetimes. As you can see, I'm not insulted and I do like to think about the universe and our place in it. I just see the long line of things humans where sure about and were dead wrong.What makes humans...humans? In my opinion, two things, we can build things and we can think complex thoughts. As recent thinkers we like to believe we know so much more than we do, we also enjoy the feeling that our thinking is correct. So you and I are a product of a number of things, most of which we had nothing to do with. Who are your parents, where you were born, money, friends, others who influenced you. You, as I follow what seems right to us and most are sure they picked the right path. Our thinking is evolving, as is humanity.You and I did not set the universe, the world or humanity in motion. We are just responding to it. I did not make everything eat everything else. This is just nature. As of right now, a nature we are still very much a part of. Do I want us to step out of the nature we were born into, yes indeed I do but this, like all things in our universe, take time. It will take more time than anyone's lifespan. I do really love that people like yourself who try to steer us in the right direction and overall, I believe your intentions and your decency is a great start but it's just that, a start of a very long road, we will likely not see the end of. I will not stop eating meat but I do eat a lot less than I use to. The Wife is an occasional fish eater but is mostly Veg and because of her, I eat more veg than I ever would have otherwise. For that I am grateful.We no longer live in natures flow for the most part. When we started crawling out of the swamp, we had ideas, not always right or good ones. I think we went too far too fast in places and not fast enough in others, it's the same reason I am not against eating meat. Eating meat is more natural than most things we do today.I really wish I had the time to go into depth on my thoughts. I just think we humans are doing all things a bit off but we are trying to fix it, we are trying to make it work better. We are getting their but slowly. We've run too far, too fast and we need a deeper understanding of all things before we act. Planet might be in a lot better shape if we thought a bit more like that. (Edited cause I'm a terrible writer) :-)

+Swanky Butters , again, as I mentioned before, your comments display a profound of ignorance of animal rights theory. I am not meaning this an insult, and I hope that it does not come across that way - all I am saying is that your questions have already been answered long ago. All the points that you raised have been answered and resolvesd by numerous writers, philosophers, ethicists and scientists. All the things that you are mentioning are common misconceptions, some of which I believed myself before I engaged more critically with the subject, and I still encounter them on a daily basis when conversing with others on the subject when I am advocating, raising awareness and campaigning. But I will be happy to go over each point that you make step by step."You can believe what you want but these are just our beliefs, yours and mine."That plants to do not have the physiological capacity to feel pain is not just a belief, but it is an empirical fact as reported by science. This, as of right now, is the best tool that we have to make sense out of physical reality, which has proven itself to be reliable over and over again by making countless of predictions about the natural world."Someone lives a life different than yours, so they are not afforded the respect of things that live as you do?"This is not the point. It is not "ok" to eat plants simply because they are different - this would be the same logic that people who kill non-human animals and eat their flesh use when they say that cows, dogs and pigs are "only animals." The point is that we ought to treat other organisms differently in their specific ways that they are different from us. For example, you and I are both human beings and therefore will pain when hit in the head. I know this from my own experience and understanding, and therefore I treat you in the same way that I treat myself and other humans and I do not hit you in the head. If another human, however, might be in a wheelchair, I would not treat him exactly the same way as other people. I wouldn't go up to him and say "Hey wanna round around the block?" because that would be an insult to him. I treat this person differently, in respect to the differences between us. I respect the differences between me and him, and amend my behaviour to accommodate those differences.Animals clearly have the physical capacity to feel pain, and therefore, I treat treat them the same way that I treat humans in that respect - I seek to avoid harming them. Animals, however, are different from humans in many respects, and in those ways I treat them differently. It is the same with plants. Plants clearly do not have a biological mechanism to feel pain or emotions, and therefore, it would be meaningless to treat them with the same sense of respect toward those faculties as we do toward humans, dogs, dolphins and cows, because they are non-existent. "You mention enslaved animals but do you or others you know have pets? Some of the very same people who hate the idea of slavery have animals as pet, in my opinion that is also a form of slavery. Maybe you agree, maybe not."Again, a commonly explored and discussed topic in animal rights circles, which is complex. I absolutely agree with you that pet-keeping is a form of slavery. Particularly when it comes to non-domesticated animals, like exotic animals, birds and so on, which would escape at any moment that they could.Pet breeders cause massive damage, routinely kill inferior specimens, force sexual reproductions upon animals, and so on. Of course it would be immoral to purchase a pet from such a breeder, as you would continue to fund these barbaric practices. On the other hand, people should certainly adopt animals from shelters which would otherwise face being put to sleep. These domesticated animals are, as you pointed out, essentially slave species - completely dependent on humans for survival. They don't usually want to escape from their "owners" homes either, which kind of makes them voluntary slaves. We cannot simply deny, as a species, that we have done this - the best thing to do would be to would probably to provide the best possible care for these animals now, as they depend on us for their well-being, but discontinue to create more of them in the future."Plants have been around WAY longer than us, they don't kill to eat and yet, we are ok with enslaving, killing and harvesting them. How do we know they are not just more evolved than we are? We don't, not really."Yes, we don't - and science doesn't claim to know everything - all that we can base our behaviour on is the best information that we have right now. And right, the science is pretty clear on the fact that animals perceive pain, and that plants do not - we cannot base our behaviour on hypothetical "what if's" - we have to base it on the best available evidence that we have right now. If one day new information comes up, we will have to amend our ways, of course. But we cannot base what we do and what we don't do on ignorance."In the mean time, I'm for treating all living things with the respect they deserve, eaten or not eaten, held captive by us humans or roaming the planet freely."And this brings me to the most important point. This kind of "all life is equal" wisdom is not only quite useless, but also quite dangerous. You are painting all ethical and moral concerns obsolete but simply stating that everything is alive, even plants. So it is fine to stab and kill a conscious cow and turn her into food just because a carrot is also a form of life? Then where do you draw the line? If "everything is simply alive" then what prevents us from using this very same logic to kill humans? Why would it be immoral to go to my neighbour's house, kick the door open, drag him out, cut his throat and then eat him? After all, plants are alive too! You are drawing an arbitrary line between human animals, and non-human animals. If you really applied your "plants are alive too" logic consistently, you would arrive at the conclusion that it is just dandy to kill anything that moves. This creates a moral wild west scenario, a quite nihilistic world.So then, what are the actual reasons that we do not hurt, kill and eat other humans? Well, certainly we know it would hurt them a lot! It would also prevent them from making bonds and meaningful relationships. It would end their lives prematurely, and prevent them from making more experiences in life. All these things that we could list to justify avoiding to harm humans, just as equally applies to most other non-humans. And on another note, please do keep in mind that animal agriculture is one of the most environmentally destructive forces out there, and produces more environmental pollution than all fossil fuel consumption in the world combined. It takes an enormous amount of plant matter to create animal flesh for food consumption - think of how much plant matter a cow or a pig eat in their life time. Animal agriculture kills way more plants than a planet on a plant-based diet would - another inconstancy in your argument, since, if one truly cared about plant life that much for some reason, they would actually have to cease consuming animal products as that kill dramatically less plants. This is a long response, I know. But I wanted to show that the questions you raise have been answered, refuted and debunked. Please look into the work of Peter Singer and Gary Francione. They are here on YouTube. Check out Gary Yourofsky, who is also on YouTube. They will answer many of your questions in logically consistent ways. You are judging something, coming up with problems and flaws which have already been addressed and resolved. Not exactly fair to judge an entire movement and ethical philosophy before engaging with the pre-established work and look at the evidence and arguments presented. 

+The Radical Revolution I disagree with this. You can believe what you want but these are just our beliefs, yours and mine. Science says plants don't have the mechanisms we do, so they don't experience life and pain as we do but why should that make a difference? Someone lives a life different than yours, so they are not afforded the respect of things that live as you do? I think it's our mammal centric view of life. You mention enslaved animals but do you or others you know have pets? Some of the very same people who hate the idea of slavery have animals as pet, in my opinion that is also a form of slavery. Maybe you agree, maybe not.Plants have been around WAY longer than us, they don't kill to eat and yet, we are ok with enslaving, killing and harvesting them. How do we know they are not just more evolved than we are? We don't, not really. I believe there was once an arguments used by meat eaters, that animals don't feel pain like us, so eating them is OK. Then we have the biblical view, that we were meant to eat everything else on the planet. See what I mean, people can rationalize anything, their kindness to animals or lack of. I feel this plant thing is the same issue. I feel the truth is, people are apt to believe that which allows them to keep doing what they enjoy doing.See what I mean? You might have a dog, cat or bird as a pet and rationalize that think it doesn't contradict how you feel about eating meat. Not the same, sure but in my eyes, just a form of slavery.As I said, most things on this planet, eat some other living thing on this planet to make it to tomorrow and it has been this way since before we crawled out of the ocean. Do I hope one day we evolve out of the need to eat completely, yes, that would be wonderful but we are not there yet and won't be for a long while. In the mean time, I'm for treating all living things with the respect they deserve, eaten or not eaten, held captive by us humans or roaming the planet freely.

+Swanky Butters , you say that this is something that "people rarely consider" but I think you are simply generalising from your own point of view there. In animal rights circles this has been explored numerous times, I suggest that you check out the work of Peter Singer or Gary L. Francione (both featured briefly here on this channel). The reason that we should not enslave, harm and kill animals for pleasure is not because "they are alive" since that is an arbitrary category. As you pointed out, many things are alive, such plans, even bacteria and so on. This is not what the notion of animal rights, abolitionism and veganism are founded upon. The point is that animals have the capacity to suffer, just like humans. They have brains, spinal chords, and most importantly, a central nervous system, which allows them to feel pain just like us. They have emotions, they get attached to other animals as well as people, form bonds, form relationships, partnerships, friendships. In terms of these basic characteristics, non-human animals such cows, pigs, dogs, chimpanzees, chickens, dolphins, feel and experience the world just like us - and therefore, we need to treat them equally in respect to those qualities. Plants lack such qualities. They do not have brains, central nervous systems, and react to environmental stimuli in an automatic and very rudimentary way - that is why it is hypocritical to hurt non-human animals, when we do not want to hurt humans, as they experience the world just like we do, whereas plants, do not. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. 

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+Xiomara Cancino didn't say plants were as complex, I said they feel

+Gershwin Fontenard and plants have feelings too, they feel sad, scared, they cry, they scream when they feel pain, the bleed :( poor little plants... ypu have opened me eyes... im going to eat sunlight .

+Shivaniii Then which part of our body can produce thee B-12 vitamin? The one that doesn't exist in a vegatarian's diet?

+adamJcarter Like me,Are u confused NOW...? Plz Reply...

+adamJcarter //www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

+adamJcarter I am Confused because I am aware that Plants can Feel the touch and pain..They have that sense.. U might be not knowing it..Plz Study it .. And that's why I am Confused and in Dilemma..

+virendra bagdelol how are you confused?....you said it yourself, you realize that plants unlike humans and animals, are not psychological beings with the capacity to experience pleasure and pain, they don't have a nervous system, they don't bring a psychological presence to the world. Now, how is it so hard to choose which one to kill and eat?....

+adamJcarter I know that we will have to kill somebody to be alive... But what shud be preferred..? Animals,Human or Plants or Anything..?? And Why to be preferred and Why not to be preferred ..? I m confused..

+adamJcarter No.. it's not justifiable...

+virendra bagdeTell me, do you hesitate to walk your dog in the park? do you think it's justifiable for someone to stomp on your dogs head, crushing his skull because they fucking walked on the grass? do you think it's justifiable for someone to kill a cat and eat them, because their owner plucked an apple from their tree?...

+adamJcarter Actually, I just wan to know why u prefer Killing Plants and not Animals... what is ur Logic behind it...?

+virendra bagde You know what, you're right, I'm gonna go out and slaughter a family, I'll start with the kids, I'll slit their throat and watch the life drain out of them, while I eat my vegetables :)

+adamJcarter why do u prefer to Kill plants...? Even Plants have Lives...Rest Absent things in plants don't matter...What most important is the Life..!! If u don't find wrong killing plants so u shouldn't feel Wrong killing Animals and Human...

+virendra bagde I would rather "kill the plants" than kill animals

+dombower either way you're comparing an animal to your human waste... not the best argument you could come up with. It's kinda funny in a twisted way.

+David Hasselberg wrong argument, one is eating a "sausage roll vs taking a dump" contrary to "killing an animal vs shoveling shit"

Ive not tried vegan cheese but heard its not that great. One thing is real cheese has been fermented. I wonder if a vegan cheese that has been fermented would work well...

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