British, please give him british passport. He is not Chinese and hope to be
a British. Hong Kong is part of China. He is an intelligent and will
contribute to your country. China and Hong Kong don't need this guy. We let
him go. Please accept him.
+Kawai Chan想出風頭, yes and soon the west will abandon him, (like Martin Lee) and he will find himself marginalised! I feel sorry for Joshua!Also, during the demo, many many HKers did not agree with protest. There was a counter petition againt the protestors that were signed by 100s of thousands!Chinese govn should setup a 'global news' channel as big as the BBC, to compete with their narratives, otherwise people around the world will never hear the chinese side.
見到這個儍瓜去英國說三道四,真感到羞家。當時,英國離開,第一時間跟香港人劃清綫,就是不會給香港人居英權,我們多次示威抗議他們有當香港人是自己人嗎?講仁義道德,英國有資格嗎?痴瘋,還有他父母,真是講得白一點,去英國做隻狗的資格也沒有,卻走來說香港政府有多麼不好。既然你認為香港沒有民主不好,那便去英美吧。為何拿民主叫人捐款,欺騙市民血汗錢,原來背後有龐大的ned照顧着。I am shame of Joshua.
+Kawai Chan I recap in English. British, you have responsiblity to let hongkongers immagrate to British. Why do you leave your people in this poor china? Let them go. Don't leave your dog in chinese family. We eat dog but we will not eat such british dogs.
+Croco Dylian am not going to type in chinese mainly because i want westerner to read it and secondly I don't have chinese lanuage on this machine!The CCP never said NEVER, and perhaps one day HK peope will be able to elect their leaders without CCP approval! BUT, wouldn't it be shite if HK ended up like the US?!I know a lot more than you! 指點江山...? mmmm strange use of 江山, 打江山 I understand !!!
+addafan addafand wow i dont know where u r living, but if you want to play the game who is the real Hongkoner, try answer me the following: 點解共產黨唔撚肯遵守承諾比香港人有真普選? 點解你咁撚on 9以為自己咩撚都知係度指點江山?
+Croco Dylian eeerrm HK GDP only started to grow significantly AFTER 1997! "many of us stuck in that inferno of never gonna earn enough to afford a house" THAT my friend is Capitalism! Same in UK and US. If you think that is terrible then you should support socialism aka communism!From our short conversation I think you know very little about HK. Its all typical sound bite! I even suspect you are not in HK at all.
+addafan addafand GDP is one thing, hk always have high gdp anyway, after or before 1997, the thing is people livelihood didnt enhance and many of us stuck in that inferno of never gonna earn enough to afford a house, the very basic human needs. Plus i am curious all over the time that you talk to me like i am an outsider. I live here for my entire life and i can assure you i know Hong Kong way better than you, how can you judge an insider observation with limit access of information?
+Croco Dylian are you telling me there were no corruptions before 1997? The truth is the CCP wants to highlight cases of corruption to deter others!Freedom of speech...? Give me an example of what you want to say but CAN'T? what kind of strength are u talking about? are you kidding me? or have you been living in such a pampered place that the word poor menas not having more that 1 car! Just search for HK GDP!
+addafan addafand what kind of strength are u talking about? I personally never feel any, but all the dark side come with the 1997 takeover, such as orruption and eliminating freedom of speech.
+Croco Dylian Just before 1997 HK was in panic mode! It is China who managed to stablised HK! since 1997, HK had gain from strenght to strength. Sod the fact that you can't pick the guy that looks great on camera to lead HK. The poeple in HK is safe and prospering!
+Croco Dylian and for more than 50 years previouly when the nationalist were in power not once did the UK govn rise the issue on HK election! then they raise it immediately when the ccp comes into power. It is not the CCP threatening UK, it is UK threatening China by trying to install self governance in HK in an attempt to ferment fracture!
+Kawai Chan seriously? Free access to any form of information vs chinese censorship of news and internet, and you still regard others to be brainwashed? My political stance form by what i have observed before and after the 1997 takeover and what i observed is our ccp controlled gov are not working for us but for the ccp gov. And what ccp once promised us is losing day by day, i dont want to hate mainland chinese, but if someone dont respect your house rule you wouldnt welcome them to stay in your house, instead you will ask them to leave, this is what we are encountering everyday in Hong Kong
+addafan addafand uk national archive reveal those documents that mao government threat uk and warn them not to give HK any kind of election or else they will start a war with british in 1950s.
+Croco Dylian well you said it... the british did not give HK the self governance, yet she is the loudest in accusing China of not doing so! Britain had HK for over 100 hundred years yet refused self governance while in Britain elections are trumpeted as fair and democratic! Why? 1 Anwser: HK chinese are a lesser people!
+addafan addafand change of self-determination is deserved by every single ethnic group on this planet. Both ccp and british government responsible for not giving Hong Kong people the universal suffrage for self determination
+Croco Dylian then according to you Hong Kong should have been handed back to the then Chinese govn the moment the Britsih Govn Sir Robert Peel (Tory) was outed by the Earl Russell (Whig) political party!
+ying ~ for the independence issue, it depends whether the head of the governement is open-minded or not, Malaysia just let singapore leave for good, and Hong Kong doesnt belong to ccp china before it became british colony, how can we belong to a political realm established much shorter than ourselves? (Hong Kong since 1842 vs CCP china since 1949)
+Croco Dylian Because China is a civilization state, not nation state. Roman Empire collapsed, China unified. That's what you are talking about. Western world lost its sense of civilization after Roman Empire collapsed. I'd spoken with some white folks, they had hard time understanding the civilization notion.Watch this:youtube [[dot]] com/watch?v=imhUmLtlZpw&index=6&list=PL32215D034C97E1A6
+ying ~ oh by the way i am a hongkonger and we respect taiwan as well as they respect us, not because we are some kind of political ally, but because we are reasonable people and live in a much more civilize community than the communist chinese
+ying ~ i thought all the peoples who push nationalism to its extreme has all buried underground after ww2..... Ethically Aussie and American are both English, and their culture are inherit from British, does it mean they are british forever?
+Croco Dylian People in HK are Han Chinese, they are culturally Chinese. But of course the people in HK and Taiwan will tell you they're different and special and superior. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THEY INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHERS.As for Tibet, Dalai Lama had his game played really bad. Tibet was a vassal state of Qing Dynasty. CCP and KMT asked him to join China but he refused and British backed Dalai Lama for independence. Sounds familiar in HK or Syria? He wanted to keep his vile theocracy with slaves and stuff but CCP and KMT wanted to get rid of it. Dalai Lama would have still been a leader in Tibet, China if you played his game well. CCP and KMT inherited Tibet from Qing D. Approved by the international law. Don't be so ignorant and ignorance.China will not tolerate any of its "neighbours" to be pro-west. HK has only 2 options: A) pro-west/US/UK B) pro-Beijingno 3rd option, no middle ground.Imagine this, if Russia funded and trained bunch of rebels in USA for independence, you think the US gov't will sit around and do nothing?Tibetans in China are Chinese by nationality. China is not occupying anyone. Your view don't represent everyone.I also know that the Manchu and Mongolian considered and called themselves as Manchu Chinese and Mongolian Chinese.Not every Tibetans are against the gov't. Stuff that you read are mostly from the Overseas Tibetans and western propaganda media. They know a shit about the real Tibet. Meet some real Tibetans in China then you know.You should read some Chinese history. No time to explain everything to you. Bye.
+ying ~ yes but with a totally different culture from mainlanf chinese society. Hence Tibetan is not chinese either, why are the ccp government occupying their homeland?
+Croco Dylian Those countries that you mentioned are all under different ethnic and culture. HK is a Chinese society, so does Taiwan.P.S. China was not colonized by Japan. It was partially invaded.
+ying ~ US was once under UK sovereignty , so was France under Germany, Singapore under UK and Malasyia, India under UK, and China under Japanese. Thats doesnt affect one's culture and identity and their determination towards independence
+slowfish29 'Don't worry, we will not', really? The standing of Chinese people living in the West is given by the wealth and power of China back home. 30,40 years ago, everywhere you go you'll be regarded as a Chinky, whether you like it or not, now its changing, not because 'slowfish29' can speak english and lived in the west for so long, its because China still represent Chinese worldwide, and if China is strong and rich, its people gets repects! Its human nature. Joshua gets an audience in Oxford because the West loves dissident chinese. In the 'old' days if you want a British passport simply go and smah some public office's window, spent a night in a Chinese jail, get on a flight to West and apply for asylum!
Don't worry, we will not. That's why many of us still have BNO. It is proven many times before during hard times, HKers have better luck going to the British embassy, no one ever expects Chinese people (especially "officials" or "authorities") to be helpful at all. Don't kid yourself and open up your narrow mind. You are a brain washed poor PRC victim. Peace.
Then, if you have any problems oversea, please don't seek help from Chinese government. Hong Kong is one of chinese city. If you cannot accept, go away. I accept Hong Kong is part of China and I will contribute to Hong Kong and China.
Hong Kong is not China. It is a fact. We have our own passport and currency amongst other major differences. We are not China. Keep being delusional and ignorant, that's why we are not the same.
I am sorry. Hong Kong is part of China. This is a fact. Joshua is british. Please send him British passport. Croco Dylian, you are not chinese. Go back to your home. Don't make any gossip to China and Hong Kong.This gay is experienced in grouping people to street. British needs such experitise to help her people to encourage her government to improve their civil rights. Please accept this gay. He must be happy to share the experience to fight with government. British, please go to street and let you voice be in front of your government. Let joshua be a British.
+Kawai Chan he is simply more hong kong than you. you can leave hong kong for good. we dont welcome anyone who do not willing to embrace hong kong value but still living in hong kong to capture our limited resources. go back to your bloody PRC